[nagdu] pet dogs as therapy dogs and using our guides to do this

Wed Apr 2 19:59:39 UTC 2014

Hi Rebecca and Daryl,
Daryl, your mother's dog would not be considered a Service dog like our 
guide dogs and other dogs for disabled people.  The dog would be the same 
thing as a Therapy Dog.  It will NOT have the same acess rights to public 
places like ouor dogs.  It has to be invited in like the pet dogs in my 
Humane Society program.  The dog may need to take the Canine Good Citizen 
Test that is from the American Kennel Club and may or may not need to be 
certified by a therapy dog organization.  I don't know what the school or 
library requires - it varies from place to place. So no need at all to be 
mad at Mom!

My guide dog, Landon has been certified to work as a Therapy Dog with our 
local Humane Society in addition to being my Seeing Eye dog.  Under ADA, he 
needs no certification as a guide dog but therapy dogs need it because the 
vast majority are pet dogs that don't have the same kind of socialization or 
training as our guides.  The schools put every guide dog puppy through a 
similar temporment test as the CGC Test.  Landon also had to pass another 
test from the Humane Society's Pet-Assisted Therapy Program to determine he 
was appropriate fot the work.  He needed to get along well in a senior 
facility with wheelchairs and walkers.  He needed to be able to accept 
petting that may be awkward due to people's disabilities.  He had to accept 
small animals calmly since we bring along some pet rats, guinea pigs, and a 
rabbit.  Landon is retiring soon and may go live at a senior residence as 
their resident therapy dog.  My new dog, hopefully, will pass these tests to 
replace Landon with my job at the Humane Society.

Your Mom's dog will need to calmly accept the school or library environment 
and the variety of kids it will be hanging out with as the kids read.  These 
programs have proven to be a real help for kids who have difficulty with 
reading or reading aloud.  The dog won't tease the kid for awkward reading 
skills and the kid gains confidence in their reading skills.

HTH! And right on to you Rebecca!

Lyn and Landon
"Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is like 
asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Cc: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] A CCB resolution on changes to have certification 
forservice dogs

> Yes you are. The dog will help people. Your mom is clear in the goals and 
> her dog will have behavioral standards it will have to meet. The kids will 
> be learning to read to a being that won't criticize them in any way. Some 
> may develop a love of reading or a love of dogs. Some may just remember 
> the nice lady who cared enough to show up at school with her dog. Why are 
> you so upset?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 3:01 PM, Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Hey,
>>
>> I am at this point furious with my mother.  She is wanting to "license" 
>> her Bouvier dog as a "service dog" to be able to go into schools and 
>> libraries to have kids read to him... or something. It's great for their 
>> self-esteem!
>>
>> Granted he is a reasonably well-behaved dog (as evidenced by the grand 
>> total of 12 hours I spent with him).. but this just makes me mad!  Am I 
>> overreacting? I don't know....
>>
>> Daryl
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: The Pawpower Pack <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wed, 02 Apr 2014 12:55:33 -0600 (MDT)
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] A CCB resolution on changes to have certification 
>> for    service dogs
>>
>> Oh boy... I don't even know where to start.
>> All I can say is, that if these people hope to change the law to fall in 
>> line with this resolution, they're going to have one heck of a fight on 
>> their hands.
>> I'm not keen on some schmuck at walmart being able to demand some kind of 
>> paperwork from me with who knows what kind of personal information on it 
>> to prove something.  The law already has outlined the things a person can 
>> ask, and a service animal can be judged by its behavior, and if someone 
>> puts enough time into training their pet so that it is as well behaved as 
>> a service dog, frankly I don't care if it's in public.
>> The key here is task training, and if dogs are behaving badly, are not 
>> house trained, are being disruptive, then as outlined in the law, the 
>> owner can be, and should be, asked to remove the dog.
>> Lastly, if anyone finds a self trained service dog, do let me know!  I'd 
>> sure would love a dog who could train itself.  Would save me a ton of 
>> work!
>>
>> Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
>> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
>> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 1:44 PM, "L Gwizdak" <leg1950 at cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here is something that will impact guide dog users and service dog users 
>>> that I got on another list.
>>>
>>> This resolution to be presented at the CCB convention in California was 
>>> drafted to address the problems of fake service dogs.  What do you all 
>>> think?  Could this be a remedy to the problem of people passing off 
>>> their pets as service dogs in places of public accomidation?  I wonder 
>>> if this may be the only was or is there another way.
>>>
>>> Here it is pasted below:
>>>
>>> Whereas: Title III of the Americans with Disabilities Act defines the 
>>> rights
>>> of people with disabilities to access places of public accommodation, 
>>> and
>>>
>>> Whereas: These access rights are extended to service animal handlers as
>>> defined in the 2011 ADA Accessibility Guidelines, and
>>>
>>> Whereas: These service animal access rights are also guaranteed by 
>>> numerous
>>> state and local statutes, and
>>>
>>> Whereas, Due to weaknesses in the relevant legislation and the general
>>> ignorance that exists about the legal definition of service animals and 
>>> of
>>> their access rights, there exists an epidemic of persons fraudulently
>>> bringing their pets into places of public accommodation under the 
>>> pretext
>>> that they are service animals, and
>>>
>>> Whereas, The presence and bad behavior of fake service animals in places 
>>> of
>>> public accommodation places the access rights of legitimate service 
>>> animal
>>> handlers at risk, Therefore be it
>>>
>>> Resolved by Guide Dog Users of California meeting at the Arden West 
>>> Hilton
>>> Hotel in Sacramento, California on April 12, 2014 that this organization
>>> shall strive to put an end to service animal fraud by  actively
>>> participating in a coalition of like-minded groups to advocate for the
>>> following changes in law and to engage in  other related activities.
>>>
>>> 1. The coalition shall seek changes to ADA regulations and to other 
>>> relevant
>>> federal statutes and regulations  as follows.
>>>
>>> 1.1. The ADA regulations must be amended to permit providers of public
>>> accommodations to require service animal handlers to show documentation 
>>> to
>>> verify the status of their animals as a condition for extending their
>>> accommodation rights to their animals.
>>>
>>> 1.2. Federal law must permit states and local governments to enact 
>>> service
>>> animal licensure requirements to make it easier for providers of public
>>> accommodations to distinguish service animals from pets, provided that 
>>> such
>>> licensure requirements do not impede the access rights of service animal
>>> handlers and that the licensure requirements are no more costly than 
>>> those
>>> imposed on pet owners..
>>>
>>> 1.3. Federal law must  restrict  the interstate sale of service animal
>>> identification products to legitimate service animal training programs 
>>> and
>>> to individuals who can provide proof of the status of their service 
>>> animals.
>>> Vendors who fail to follow these requirements must be subject to fines 
>>> large
>>> enough to discourage the traffic in fake service animal products.
>>>
>>> 2. The coalition must develop model state laws and regulations as 
>>> described
>>> below and then advocate throughout the nation for the enactment of these
>>> statutes.
>>>
>>> 2.1. States must implement service animal license laws compliant with 
>>> item
>>> 1.2 above.  These laws must provide for the licensing of animals issued
>>> through recognized training programs and also provide for the licensing 
>>> of
>>> self-trained service animals.
>>>
>>> 2.2. States must enact prohibitions on the intrastate sale of fraudulent
>>> service animal identification products that are comparable to the
>>> prohibitions described in item 1.3.
>>>
>>> 3. The Coalition shall develop and execute an education campaign to 
>>> inform
>>> the public about the definition of a service animal, about the access 
>>> rights
>>> of service animal handlers and about the negative consequences of and 
>>> the
>>> legal penalties for service animal fraud.
>>>
>>>
>>> Frank Welte
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Gduc-l at ccbnet.org
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lyn and Landon
>>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is 
>>> like asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mardi Hadfield" 
>>> <wolfsinger.lakota at gmail.com>
>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 7:48 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] It's a go
>>>
>>>
>>>> Jewel, good luck in your class.Hope you get that special dog and have 
>>>> many
>>>> years of partnership.I hope you won't get rained on to much,lol.Have a
>>>> great time in class. Mardi and Shaman and Neechee.
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> http://wolfsinger-lakota.blogspot.com/
>>>> http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com
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