[nagdu] pet dogs as therapy dogs and using our guides to do this

L Gwizdak leg1950 at cox.net
Wed Apr 2 21:47:44 UTC 2014 

Yeah, Buddy, I know this about it is the PERSON with the disability who has 
the actual rights to bring his or her assistance dog into places to mitigate 
a disability.  As a non PC person LOL I didn't state it just right.  I don't 
always get the politically correct verbiage down.

Lyn and Landon
"Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is like 
asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] pet dogs as therapy dogs and using our guides to do 
this


Lyn wrote:
> It will NOT have the same acess rights to public places like ouor dogs. 
> It has to be invited in like the pet dogs in my Humane Society program.


<broken_record>
Our dogs do not have public access rights. We as disabled people have the 
right to be accompanied by a service dog individually trained, etc. etc. 
Some may say this is picking a nit, but this is in reality a very important 
distinction, and equally important to understand. Your Seeing Eye™ go 
cannot, for instance, go to the store with your non-disabled mother. If your 
dog had access rights, it could do so, but it does not.
</broken_record>
--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Phone: (814) 860-3194 or (814) 431-0962




On Apr 2, 2014, at 3:59 PM, L Gwizdak <leg1950 at cox.net> wrote:

> Hi Rebecca and Daryl,
> Daryl, your mother's dog would not be considered a Service dog like our 
> guide dogs and other dogs for disabled people.  The dog would be the same 
> thing as a Therapy Dog.  It will NOT have the same acess rights to public 
> places like ouor dogs.  It has to be invited in like the pet dogs in my 
> Humane Society program.  The dog may need to take the Canine Good Citizen 
> Test that is from the American Kennel Club and may or may not need to be 
> certified by a therapy dog organization.  I don't know what the school or 
> library requires - it varies from place to place. So no need at all to be 
> mad at Mom!
>
> My guide dog, Landon has been certified to work as a Therapy Dog with our 
> local Humane Society in addition to being my Seeing Eye dog.  Under ADA, 
> he needs no certification as a guide dog but therapy dogs need it because 
> the vast majority are pet dogs that don't have the same kind of 
> socialization or training as our guides.  The schools put every guide dog 
> puppy through a similar temporment test as the CGC Test.  Landon also had 
> to pass another test from the Humane Society's Pet-Assisted Therapy 
> Program to determine he was appropriate fot the work.  He needed to get 
> along well in a senior facility with wheelchairs and walkers.  He needed 
> to be able to accept petting that may be awkward due to people's 
> disabilities.  He had to accept small animals calmly since we bring along 
> some pet rats, guinea pigs, and a rabbit.  Landon is retiring soon and may 
> go live at a senior residence as their resident therapy dog.  My new dog, 
> hopefully, will pass these tests to replace Landon with my job at the 
> Humane Society.
>
> Your Mom's dog will need to calmly accept the school or library 
> environment and the variety of kids it will be hanging out with as the 
> kids read.  These programs have proven to be a real help for kids who have 
> difficulty with reading or reading aloud.  The dog won't tease the kid for 
> awkward reading skills and the kid gains confidence in their reading 
> skills.
>
> HTH! And right on to you Rebecca!
>
> Lyn and Landon
> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is like 
> asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Star Gazer" 
> <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 12:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] A CCB resolution on changes to have certification 
> forservice dogs
>
>
>> Yes you are. The dog will help people. Your mom is clear in the goals and 
>> her dog will have behavioral standards it will have to meet. The kids 
>> will be learning to read to a being that won't criticize them in any way. 
>> Some may develop a love of reading or a love of dogs. Some may just 
>> remember the nice lady who cared enough to show up at school with her 
>> dog. Why are you so upset?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 3:01 PM, Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> I am at this point furious with my mother.  She is wanting to "license" 
>>> her Bouvier dog as a "service dog" to be able to go into schools and 
>>> libraries to have kids read to him... or something. It's great for their 
>>> self-esteem!
>>>
>>> Granted he is a reasonably well-behaved dog (as evidenced by the grand 
>>> total of 12 hours I spent with him).. but this just makes me mad!  Am I 
>>> overreacting? I don't know....
>>>
>>> Daryl
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: The Pawpower Pack <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wed, 02 Apr 2014 12:55:33 -0600 (MDT)
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] A CCB resolution on changes to have certification 
>>> for    service dogs
>>>
>>> Oh boy... I don't even know where to start.
>>> All I can say is, that if these people hope to change the law to fall in 
>>> line with this resolution, they're going to have one heck of a fight on 
>>> their hands.
>>> I'm not keen on some schmuck at walmart being able to demand some kind 
>>> of paperwork from me with who knows what kind of personal information on 
>>> it to prove something.  The law already has outlined the things a person 
>>> can ask, and a service animal can be judged by its behavior, and if 
>>> someone puts enough time into training their pet so that it is as well 
>>> behaved as a service dog, frankly I don't care if it's in public.
>>> The key here is task training, and if dogs are behaving badly, are not 
>>> house trained, are being disruptive, then as outlined in the law, the 
>>> owner can be, and should be, asked to remove the dog.
>>> Lastly, if anyone finds a self trained service dog, do let me know!  I'd 
>>> sure would love a dog who could train itself.  Would save me a ton of 
>>> work!
>>>
>>> Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
>>> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
>>> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 1:44 PM, "L Gwizdak" <leg1950 at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Here is something that will impact guide dog users and service dog 
>>>> users that I got on another list.
>>>>
>>>> This resolution to be presented at the CCB convention in California was 
>>>> drafted to address the problems of fake service dogs.  What do you all 
>>>> think?  Could this be a remedy to the problem of people passing off 
>>>> their pets as service dogs in places of public accomidation?  I wonder 
>>>> if this may be the only was or is there another way.
>>>>
>>>> Here it is pasted below:
>>>>
>>>> Whereas: Title III of the Americans with Disabilities Act defines the 
>>>> rights
>>>> of people with disabilities to access places of public accommodation, 
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> Whereas: These access rights are extended to service animal handlers as
>>>> defined in the 2011 ADA Accessibility Guidelines, and
>>>>
>>>> Whereas: These service animal access rights are also guaranteed by 
>>>> numerous
>>>> state and local statutes, and
>>>>
>>>> Whereas, Due to weaknesses in the relevant legislation and the general
>>>> ignorance that exists about the legal definition of service animals and 
>>>> of
>>>> their access rights, there exists an epidemic of persons fraudulently
>>>> bringing their pets into places of public accommodation under the 
>>>> pretext
>>>> that they are service animals, and
>>>>
>>>> Whereas, The presence and bad behavior of fake service animals in 
>>>> places of
>>>> public accommodation places the access rights of legitimate service 
>>>> animal
>>>> handlers at risk, Therefore be it
>>>>
>>>> Resolved by Guide Dog Users of California meeting at the Arden West 
>>>> Hilton
>>>> Hotel in Sacramento, California on April 12, 2014 that this 
>>>> organization
>>>> shall strive to put an end to service animal fraud by  actively
>>>> participating in a coalition of like-minded groups to advocate for the
>>>> following changes in law and to engage in  other related activities.
>>>>
>>>> 1. The coalition shall seek changes to ADA regulations and to other 
>>>> relevant
>>>> federal statutes and regulations  as follows.
>>>>
>>>> 1.1. The ADA regulations must be amended to permit providers of public
>>>> accommodations to require service animal handlers to show documentation 
>>>> to
>>>> verify the status of their animals as a condition for extending their
>>>> accommodation rights to their animals.
>>>>
>>>> 1.2. Federal law must permit states and local governments to enact 
>>>> service
>>>> animal licensure requirements to make it easier for providers of public
>>>> accommodations to distinguish service animals from pets, provided that 
>>>> such
>>>> licensure requirements do not impede the access rights of service 
>>>> animal
>>>> handlers and that the licensure requirements are no more costly than 
>>>> those
>>>> imposed on pet owners..
>>>>
>>>> 1.3. Federal law must  restrict  the interstate sale of service animal
>>>> identification products to legitimate service animal training programs 
>>>> and
>>>> to individuals who can provide proof of the status of their service 
>>>> animals.
>>>> Vendors who fail to follow these requirements must be subject to fines 
>>>> large
>>>> enough to discourage the traffic in fake service animal products.
>>>>
>>>> 2. The coalition must develop model state laws and regulations as 
>>>> described
>>>> below and then advocate throughout the nation for the enactment of 
>>>> these
>>>> statutes.
>>>>
>>>> 2.1. States must implement service animal license laws compliant with 
>>>> item
>>>> 1.2 above.  These laws must provide for the licensing of animals issued
>>>> through recognized training programs and also provide for the licensing 
>>>> of
>>>> self-trained service animals.
>>>>
>>>> 2.2. States must enact prohibitions on the intrastate sale of 
>>>> fraudulent
>>>> service animal identification products that are comparable to the
>>>> prohibitions described in item 1.3.
>>>>
>>>> 3. The Coalition shall develop and execute an education campaign to 
>>>> inform
>>>> the public about the definition of a service animal, about the access 
>>>> rights
>>>> of service animal handlers and about the negative consequences of and 
>>>> the
>>>> legal penalties for service animal fraud.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Frank Welte
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is 
>>>> like asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mardi Hadfield" 
>>>> <wolfsinger.lakota at gmail.com>
>>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 7:48 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] It's a go
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Jewel, good luck in your class.Hope you get that special dog and have 
>>>>> many
>>>>> years of partnership.I hope you won't get rained on to much,lol.Have a
>>>>> great time in class. Mardi and Shaman and Neechee.
>>>>>
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