[nagdu] A CCB resolution on changes to have certification for service dogs

Darla Rogers djrogers0628 at gmail.com
Wed Apr 2 23:03:11 UTC 2014 

Right, Buddy; that is but one reason I hope it does not pass.
Darla & Huck

P.S.  A few people are reporting extreme problems; I do not think they are
utilizing the full context of California codes that already exist


-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 3:22 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] A CCB resolution on changes to have certification for
service dogs

Also,

What exactly would constitute certification, i.e. what tasks would be
required, given that there are so many different types of disabilities that
are accommodated by dogs doing very different kinds of work? That is to say,
a seizure alert dog wouldn't have nearly the same tasks as a guide dog,
which are different yet again from a dog who assists with physical tasks. 

An addendum to "Who will proide the certification" would be, Who will
protect the interests of owner trainers? Hint: I don't trust the schools to
do this, as they are more likely to protect their own interests. Cyincal
perhaps, but there it is. 

There's likely even more, but Raven's pretty well covered all the pitfalls
associated with some certification standard. 
--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Phone: (814) 860-3194 or (814) 431-0962




On Apr 2, 2014, at 4:16 PM, Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Daryl, here are just some of the problems with certification.
> Who will provide the certification?
> Who will set the standards and criteria for certification?
> Who will pay for it?
> Where will the process take place?
> Will transportation be provided to individuals needing certification?
> And who will provide it?
> Will it be possible for dogs to lose or have certification revoked? On 
> what grounds?
> What protocol will be in place for individuals with limited mobility 
> of their hands?
> I know there are many other issues with this that I am unable to think 
> of right now. Others will chime in.
> Also, please know that any piece of paper can be falsified. Computers 
> make it possible and extremely easy.
> 
> On 4/2/14, Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> The solution is education, not certification. Educate people about 
>> what constitutes an assistance dog. Educate people on what 
>> constitutes appropriate behavior for a dog in public, indoors and 
>> outdoors. This issue has been over discussed, and people need to stop 
>> pushing for this certification crap. The certification issue is way 
>> too problematic.
>> 
>> On 4/2/14, Sherry Gomes <sherriola at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Actually, Reading to the dogs is a legitimate program. When I worked 
>>> at GDB, our instructors often took some of the dogs in training to 
>>> schools for read to the dogs days. It's helps the kids feel more 
>>> comfortable reading and is apparently a great service.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daryl 
>>> Marie
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 1:02 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] A CCB resolution on changes to have 
>>> certification for service dogs
>>> 
>>> Hey,
>>> 
>>> I am at this point furious with my mother.  She is wanting to "license"
>>> her
>>> Bouvier dog as a "service dog" to be able to go into schools and 
>>> libraries to have kids read to him... or something. It's great for 
>>> their self-esteem!
>>> 
>>> Granted he is a reasonably well-behaved dog (as evidenced by the 
>>> grand total of 12 hours I spent with him).. but this just makes me 
>>> mad!  Am I overreacting? I don't know....
>>> 
>>> Daryl
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: The Pawpower Pack <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wed, 02 Apr 2014 12:55:33 -0600 (MDT)
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] A CCB resolution on changes to have 
>>> certification for service dogs
>>> 
>>> Oh boy... I don't even know where to start.
>>> All I can say is, that if these people hope to change the law to 
>>> fall in line with this resolution, they're going to have one heck of 
>>> a fight on their hands.
>>> I'm not keen on some schmuck at walmart being able to demand some 
>>> kind of paperwork from me with who knows what kind of personal 
>>> information on it to prove something.  The law already has outlined 
>>> the things a person can ask, and a service animal can be judged by 
>>> its behavior, and if someone puts enough time into training their 
>>> pet so that it is as well behaved as a service dog, frankly I don't 
>>> care if it's in public.
>>> The key here is task training, and if dogs are behaving badly, are 
>>> not house trained, are being disruptive, then as outlined in the 
>>> law, the owner can be, and should be, asked to remove the dog.
>>> Lastly, if anyone finds a self trained service dog, do let me know!  
>>> I'd sure would love a dog who could train itself.  Would save me a 
>>> ton of work!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
>>> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
>>> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 1:44 PM, "L Gwizdak" <leg1950 at cox.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Here is something that will impact guide dog users and service dog 
>>>> users
>>> that I got on another list.
>>>> 
>>>> This resolution to be presented at the CCB convention in California 
>>>> was
>>> drafted to address the problems of fake service dogs.  What do you 
>>> all think?  Could this be a remedy to the problem of people passing 
>>> off their pets as service dogs in places of public accomidation?  I 
>>> wonder if this may be the only was or is there another way.
>>>> 
>>>> Here it is pasted below:
>>>> 
>>>> Whereas: Title III of the Americans with Disabilities Act defines 
>>>> the
>>> rights
>>>> of people with disabilities to access places of public 
>>>> accommodation, and
>>>> 
>>>> Whereas: These access rights are extended to service animal 
>>>> handlers as defined in the 2011 ADA Accessibility Guidelines, and
>>>> 
>>>> Whereas: These service animal access rights are also guaranteed by
>>> numerous
>>>> state and local statutes, and
>>>> 
>>>> Whereas, Due to weaknesses in the relevant legislation and the 
>>>> general ignorance that exists about the legal definition of service 
>>>> animals and of their access rights, there exists an epidemic of 
>>>> persons fraudulently bringing their pets into places of public 
>>>> accommodation under the pretext that they are service animals, and
>>>> 
>>>> Whereas, The presence and bad behavior of fake service animals in 
>>>> places
>>> of
>>>> public accommodation places the access rights of legitimate service 
>>>> animal handlers at risk, Therefore be it
>>>> 
>>>> Resolved by Guide Dog Users of California meeting at the Arden West 
>>>> Hilton Hotel in Sacramento, California on April 12, 2014 that this 
>>>> organization shall strive to put an end to service animal fraud by  
>>>> actively participating in a coalition of like-minded groups to 
>>>> advocate for the following changes in law and to engage in  other 
>>>> related activities.
>>>> 
>>>> 1. The coalition shall seek changes to ADA regulations and to other
>>> relevant
>>>> federal statutes and regulations  as follows.
>>>> 
>>>> 1.1. The ADA regulations must be amended to permit providers of 
>>>> public accommodations to require service animal handlers to show 
>>>> documentation to verify the status of their animals as a condition 
>>>> for extending their accommodation rights to their animals.
>>>> 
>>>> 1.2. Federal law must permit states and local governments to enact 
>>>> service animal licensure requirements to make it easier for 
>>>> providers of public accommodations to distinguish service animals 
>>>> from pets, provided that
>>> such
>>>> licensure requirements do not impede the access rights of service 
>>>> animal handlers and that the licensure requirements are no more 
>>>> costly than those imposed on pet owners..
>>>> 
>>>> 1.3. Federal law must  restrict  the interstate sale of service 
>>>> animal identification products to legitimate service animal 
>>>> training programs and to individuals who can provide proof of the 
>>>> status of their service
>>> animals.
>>>> Vendors who fail to follow these requirements must be subject to 
>>>> fines
>>> large
>>>> enough to discourage the traffic in fake service animal products.
>>>> 
>>>> 2. The coalition must develop model state laws and regulations as
>>> described
>>>> below and then advocate throughout the nation for the enactment of 
>>>> these statutes.
>>>> 
>>>> 2.1. States must implement service animal license laws compliant 
>>>> with item
>>>> 1.2 above.  These laws must provide for the licensing of animals 
>>>> issued through recognized training programs and also provide for 
>>>> the licensing of self-trained service animals.
>>>> 
>>>> 2.2. States must enact prohibitions on the intrastate sale of 
>>>> fraudulent service animal identification products that are 
>>>> comparable to the prohibitions described in item 1.3.
>>>> 
>>>> 3. The Coalition shall develop and execute an education campaign to 
>>>> inform the public about the definition of a service animal, about 
>>>> the access
>>> rights
>>>> of service animal handlers and about the negative consequences of 
>>>> and the legal penalties for service animal fraud.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Frank Welte
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship 
>>>> is like
>>> asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mardi Hadfield"
>>> <wolfsinger.lakota at gmail.com>
>>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 7:48 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] It's a go
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Jewel, good luck in your class.Hope you get that special dog and 
>>>>> have
>>> many
>>>>> years of partnership.I hope you won't get rained on to 
>>>>> much,lol.Have a great time in class. Mardi and Shaman and Neechee.
>>>>> 
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