[nagdu] Reading to dogs? WAS A CCB resolution on changes to have certification for service dogs

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Wed Apr 2 23:40:23 UTC 2014


I have also used my own service dog in situations where I teach braille to young blind or deafblind children.  It's really amazing to watch. 

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> On Apr 2, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the info.  I have never heard of such a program.
> 
> The only such program in Canada on a consistent basis is in Ottawa, and the dogs are owner-trained but under the umbrella of the program itself.  Once a year or so, the library in my mother's area does a "read to the dogs" event.
> 
> I guess what got my hackles up was the way she said it.  "I am going to get Max declared as a service dog, so that then I can take him everywhere... like schools and libraries."
> 
> Daryl
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sherry Gomes <sherriola at gmail.com>
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wed, 02 Apr 2014 13:35:12 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] A CCB resolution on changes to have    certification    for    service dogs
> 
> Actually, Reading to the dogs is a legitimate program. When I worked at GDB,
> our instructors often took some of the dogs in training to schools for read
> to the dogs days. It's helps the kids feel more comfortable reading and is
> apparently a great service. 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daryl Marie
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 1:02 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] A CCB resolution on changes to have certification for
> service dogs
> 
> Hey,
> 
> I am at this point furious with my mother.  She is wanting to "license" her
> Bouvier dog as a "service dog" to be able to go into schools and libraries
> to have kids read to him... or something. It's great for their self-esteem!
> 
> Granted he is a reasonably well-behaved dog (as evidenced by the grand total
> of 12 hours I spent with him).. but this just makes me mad!  Am I
> overreacting? I don't know....
> 
> Daryl
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: The Pawpower Pack <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Wed, 02 Apr 2014 12:55:33 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] A CCB resolution on changes to have certification for
> service dogs
> 
> Oh boy... I don't even know where to start. 
> All I can say is, that if these people hope to change the law to fall in
> line with this resolution, they're going to have one heck of a fight on
> their hands.  
> I'm not keen on some schmuck at walmart being able to demand some kind of
> paperwork from me with who knows what kind of personal information on it to
> prove something.  The law already has outlined the things a person can ask,
> and a service animal can be judged by its behavior, and if someone puts
> enough time into training their pet so that it is as well behaved as a
> service dog, frankly I don't care if it's in public.  
> The key here is task training, and if dogs are behaving badly, are not house
> trained, are being disruptive, then as outlined in the law, the owner can
> be, and should be, asked to remove the dog. 
> Lastly, if anyone finds a self trained service dog, do let me know!  I'd
> sure would love a dog who could train itself.  Would save me a ton of work! 
> 
> Rox and the kitchen Bitches: 
> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 1:44 PM, "L Gwizdak" <leg1950 at cox.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Here is something that will impact guide dog users and service dog users
> that I got on another list.
>> 
>> This resolution to be presented at the CCB convention in California was
> drafted to address the problems of fake service dogs.  What do you all
> think?  Could this be a remedy to the problem of people passing off their
> pets as service dogs in places of public accomidation?  I wonder if this may
> be the only was or is there another way.
>> 
>> Here it is pasted below:
>> 
>> Whereas: Title III of the Americans with Disabilities Act defines the
> rights
>> of people with disabilities to access places of public accommodation, and
>> 
>> Whereas: These access rights are extended to service animal handlers as
>> defined in the 2011 ADA Accessibility Guidelines, and
>> 
>> Whereas: These service animal access rights are also guaranteed by
> numerous
>> state and local statutes, and
>> 
>> Whereas, Due to weaknesses in the relevant legislation and the general
>> ignorance that exists about the legal definition of service animals and of
>> their access rights, there exists an epidemic of persons fraudulently
>> bringing their pets into places of public accommodation under the pretext
>> that they are service animals, and
>> 
>> Whereas, The presence and bad behavior of fake service animals in places
> of
>> public accommodation places the access rights of legitimate service animal
>> handlers at risk, Therefore be it
>> 
>> Resolved by Guide Dog Users of California meeting at the Arden West Hilton
>> Hotel in Sacramento, California on April 12, 2014 that this organization
>> shall strive to put an end to service animal fraud by  actively
>> participating in a coalition of like-minded groups to advocate for the
>> following changes in law and to engage in  other related activities.
>> 
>> 1. The coalition shall seek changes to ADA regulations and to other
> relevant
>> federal statutes and regulations  as follows.
>> 
>> 1.1. The ADA regulations must be amended to permit providers of public
>> accommodations to require service animal handlers to show documentation to
>> verify the status of their animals as a condition for extending their
>> accommodation rights to their animals.
>> 
>> 1.2. Federal law must permit states and local governments to enact service
>> animal licensure requirements to make it easier for providers of public
>> accommodations to distinguish service animals from pets, provided that
> such
>> licensure requirements do not impede the access rights of service animal
>> handlers and that the licensure requirements are no more costly than those
>> imposed on pet owners..
>> 
>> 1.3. Federal law must  restrict  the interstate sale of service animal
>> identification products to legitimate service animal training programs and
>> to individuals who can provide proof of the status of their service
> animals.
>> Vendors who fail to follow these requirements must be subject to fines
> large
>> enough to discourage the traffic in fake service animal products.
>> 
>> 2. The coalition must develop model state laws and regulations as
> described
>> below and then advocate throughout the nation for the enactment of these
>> statutes.
>> 
>> 2.1. States must implement service animal license laws compliant with item
>> 1.2 above.  These laws must provide for the licensing of animals issued
>> through recognized training programs and also provide for the licensing of
>> self-trained service animals.
>> 
>> 2.2. States must enact prohibitions on the intrastate sale of fraudulent
>> service animal identification products that are comparable to the
>> prohibitions described in item 1.3.
>> 
>> 3. The Coalition shall develop and execute an education campaign to inform
>> the public about the definition of a service animal, about the access
> rights
>> of service animal handlers and about the negative consequences of and the
>> legal penalties for service animal fraud.
>> 
>> 
>> Frank Welte
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Lyn and Landon
>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is like
> asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mardi Hadfield"
> <wolfsinger.lakota at gmail.com>
>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 7:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] It's a go
>> 
>> 
>>> Jewel, good luck in your class.Hope you get that special dog and have
> many
>>> years of partnership.I hope you won't get rained on to much,lol.Have a
>>> great time in class. Mardi and Shaman and Neechee.
>>> 
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