[nagdu] mobility independence question

Tue Apr 15 01:56:56 UTC 2014

Sure they do! You use the cane to find them. If you keep the tip on the 
ground, you should be able to detect them with the tip and even find out how 
big they are! I always do that! Dogs can also detect them. If you go threw 
Leader, they'll help you with your mobility and also answer your wuestions 
about using a dog. I think that sometimes, your basic mobility has trouble 
evaluating where dogs are concerned. On the other hand, they could be right. 
The folks at Leader should be able to tell you better. I used to give my 
mobility folks fits because I would often be trained on familiar routes. I 
got used to them and would listen to the traffic well before I got to the 
street I needed to cross. I would hear the traffic change before I got there 
and just keep going. They wanted me to stop and listen for awhile but they 
didn't know I was already doing that!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <starmy22 at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] mobility independence question


> Hi,
> My mobility instructer didn't even recommend me to get a guide dog.
> I have a question:  I've contacted leader dogs about the excellerated 
> mobility program.
> Michigan streets are full of potwholes.
> Do they teach you on how to avoid potwholes when crossing streets?
> I'm thinking this is the ticket in order for me to get a guide dog.
> I hope to hear from you soon.
> Sincerely,
> John Sanders
>
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Becky
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 12:48 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] mobility independence question
>
> Hi
> I am on my fourth dog. When I went to training in Kalmazoo back in 2000 
> they told me I would never work good with a guide dog.
> Becky Sabo an Hakia
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:17 PM, Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The way it works here in Michigan is that in order to receive O&M
> instruction, or anything from the Commission, there has to be a
> justification. So the justification for O&M is often orientation to a
> specific area (i.e., school, work, your neighborhood, a shopping
> center). No one is going to just come out and work on street crossings
> in some part of town without a justification. If it is a part of a
> route, they will help you learn, but otherwise, you're better off
> going to a training center, or Leader Dogs Accelerated Mobility
> Program. Students are expected to receive basic O&M during their
> public education here, but obviously, everyone doesn't receive the
> same kind of training.
>
> Your mobility instructor can help you with off-campus training as
> well. Surely, there will be stores and businesses off-campus that you
> will visit. Is there a bus system in your college's area that you will
> need orientation to? These are some of the things that my O&M
> instructor worked with me on.
>
> Will a guide dog school except some one who is semi-independent?
> Yes. If the right people say the right things about you.
> But you don't want to get a guide dog if you can't independently cross
> a traffic-light intersection. During your home interview and/or at
> guide dog school, you will be expected to independently demonstrate
> mid-block crossings and traffic-light intersection. While your guide
> dog will be able to perform traffic checks, that is not a reliable way
> of crossing a difficult or busier intersection. Even if you manage to
> slip through everyone's fingers and do what seems to be the right
> thing at the time like some people do, it is irresponsible to get a
> guide dog when your O&M is lacking. It's irresponsible because now,
> not only is your life at risk, but also your dog's life.
>
>
>> On 4/13/14, Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca> wrote:
>> Agreed with Nicole.  When I moved to Alberta, I had a good - perhaps 
>> great -
>> base of O&M skills to fall back on, and my exposure to O&M here was 
>> almost
>> always on an as-needed basis.  I have been shown the layouts of malls 
>> that
>> don't have straight hallways, and shown how to navigate traffic circles
>> (something unheard of where I grew up).  Without the basic skills,
>> situational O&M is not nearly as useful.
>>
>> Daryl
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sun, 13 Apr 2014 12:14:20 -0600 (MDT)
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] mobility independence question
>>
>> I think that a mobility instructor should teach both. I have good 
>> mobility
>> skills; however, if I go to a new place that I will be going often, such 
>> as
>> a new building at work, I might ask the mobility instructor to come help 
>> me
>> learn it as she may know what things will be helpful to a blind person 
>> more
>> so than someone else.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael 
>> Hingson
>> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 10:16 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] mobility independence question
>>
>> John,
>>
>> What your mobility instructor should be teaching you is how to travel
>> independently rather than specific routes.  That is, if your instructor 
>> is
>> really doing her job she would be teaching you techniques you can use
>> anywhere to learn how to go from place to place.  Such techniques will
>> include asking questions of others yourself until you know where you are
>> and
>> how you got there.  Others on this list will tell you of centers they
>> attended such as the Colorado Center for the Blind, the Louisiana Center
>> for
>> the Blind, and Blind Inc. where students learn good travel techniques
>> including how they learn to use their own observation skills to know 
>> where
>> they are at all times.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> Michael Hingson
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> starmy22 at gmail.com
>> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 10:06 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] mobility independence question
>>
>> Hi,
>> My mobility instructer had read over my previous mobility report that she
>> had wrote up for me.
>> This was a year ago.
>> I live out in Michigan, and the agency  that is working with me the
>> Michigan
>> Commission for the blind, the mobility instructer from what I understand
>> from what my rehabilitation counselar has told me is that in order to get
>> training from her, it needs to be in a certin area.
>> I'm going to be going to college with in the next month.
>> I'm going to need some training on how to get to the various buildings.
>> That's what the mobility instructer is there for.
>> I'm not able to get any mobility practice and getting myself prepared to
>> get
>> a guide dog unless I have a mobility instructer assisting me with the 
>> steps
>> that are required.
>> I hope to hear from you soon.
>> Sincerely,
>> John Sanders
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Hingson
>> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 12:33 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] mobility independence question
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Your mobility instructor read over what report?  Also, as someone else
>> asked, what do you mean that lights are a problem?
>>
>> If your mobility instructor were doing her job she would be addressing, 
>> or
>> have addressed issues of you working with traffic flow.  As far as going
>> into buildings and needing assistance in getting to the right bus this is
>> vague at best.
>>
>> It sounds to me as if your instructor needs to stop making up
>> classifications like "semi independent" and begin teaching you real
>> mobility
>> skills.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> Michael Hingson
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> starmy22 at gmail.com
>> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 07:41 AM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] mobility independence question
>>
>> Hi,
>> I have a question:  My mobility instructer read over my report and she 
>> said
>> that I'm a semiindependent.
>> The report said that I can successfully cross at stopsigns.
>> Lights are a  problem for me.
>> Will a guide dog school except some one who is semi-independent?> The
>> report
>> did say that I use a lot of assistance with getting in to buildings
>> especially the bus stations and getting to the right bus numbers.
>> I hope to hear from you soon.
>> Sincerely,
>> John Sanders
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