[nagdu] Labradoodles
Darla Rogers
djrogers0628 at gmail.com
Wed Apr 30 22:41:24 UTC 2014
rofl, Larry; when you described her coat, I was thinking she was a
labradoodle; her coats sounds a lot like a labradoodle who lived in the same
complex with me in Florida--I just love that coat--as you say not to curly
but lush and beautiful with rather a soft curl.
Darla & Happy Huck
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry D. Keeler
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 12:14 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Changing my Petting Policy
No, half poodle. She is a brown labradoodle. She has a silver-red tinge to
her coat. in horses the color is called liver. Don't know if a girl wants to
be described as live colored or not. But it makes Holly look good.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darla Rogers" <djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Changing my Petting Policy
> Dear Larry,
>
> I have forgotten; is Holly a Poodle? Her coat sounds gorgeous.
> No; this silly just needs to be reminded he words for me and not G Q
> public. <grin> Darla & Happy Huck
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry D.
> Keeler
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 10:52 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Changing my Petting Policy
>
> Well, Julie, I love all dogs and would react with all of them if allowed.
> I
> do sometimes let other blind folks pet Holly. Not because they have
> never pet a dog before or want to know what one looks like. I've grown
> up with dogs and wouldn't let other blind folks pet Holly while working
iether.
> Its
> not alolowed from sighted or blind folks. However, when out of the
> Harrness, go for it! Sometimes I let blind folks feel Holly because
> she has an unusual coat. Not as curly as a poodle but not like a lab
> iether. More like a soft terrier. Her coat is unusual enough that
> blind folks want to feel it. But, even then, they have to wait until
> she is not working.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 11:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Changing my Petting Policy
>
>
>> Raven,
>>
>> My current guide is a lab and Boxer mix. Jetta, the Doberman, is
>> tentatively arriving mid August. In my experience very, very, very few
>> people correctly identify the breed of either of them. Jetta more so
>> than Monty, but she has natural ears which I guess makes her look not
>> like a Doberman. Odd, but there it is. Belle, Monty and Jetta are
>> all black dogs and fairly large. I think that makes a difference.
>> Also none of them have been into greeting people much. I think that
>> shows in their body language. My first guide, Tia, would look at
>> people with her gooey eyes and wag gently, which caused a lot of
>> people to talk/pet/interact with her.
>>
>> I think another factor for me is that the other service dog handler
>> in my tiny town is kind of unpleasant. I've heard lots and lots of
>> stories about negative encounters folks have had with her and her dog.
>> One young lady told me she was walking down the street whistling
>> because it was a nice day and she was enjoying it, when the
>> unpleasant service dog handler started screaming at her that she was
>> distracting her dog. I understand that whistling could be
>> distracting to a dog, but I think there are better ways to deal with
>> the situation, realizing that sometimes people whistle and it isn't
>> all about distracting the dog all the time. anyway, I think she has
>> scared a
> lot of people off about guide and service dogs.
>>
>> But I don't know, even when I travel I don't get a lot of anything
>> about the dog. I'm going out of town this weekend, so we'll see if
>> me saying it isn't a problem makes me look like a fool! that's
>> usually how it goes, say things are great and the universe will show
>> you otherwise. *smile*
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Raven Tolliver
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 9:50 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Changing my Petting Policy
>>
>> I have learned that a name can be a very intimate thing to know about
>> a person, or a dog for that matter. I do not only give a fake name
>> for my dog, but in some situations, I also use an alias for myself. I
>> have experienced far too much stalkerish behavior and obsessive
>> questioning/attention-getting attempts to be so liberal with the
>> giving out of my dog's name.
>> I have trained my dog to ignore others making stupid noises at him.
>> My petting policy will change from dog to dog. It will just depend on
>> how much each dog is distracted by petting from strangers. The Golden
>> Guy is not distracted by it, so I allow it from time to time.
>> Julie, it may be possible that you don't get asked as often as others
>> because you use a Dobie as your guide. Correct me if I'm wrong.
>> I get asked most often by customers in grocery stores, and by people
>> at the transit station or on the bus.
>> Also, I'm totally with Vivianna on not wanting to interact with the
>> public so much. I just want to go on about my business most days,
>> rather than talk about my dog for half an hour. There is much more to
>> me than just my dog.
>> I understand that my dog is beautiful and irresistible, but at the
>> same time, we are not a spectacle for everyone to gawk at, swoon
>> over, and prattle on about. I am not an exhibit at some zoo or
>> something, I am a human being. I would appreciate it if I was treated
>> with the same dignity as others without a dog.
>>
>>
>> On 4/30/14, Larry D. Keeler <lkeeler at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> The not using the dogs name comes from the fact that some folks will
>>> call your dog while your working. I'me actually had this happen.
>>> People whom you
>>>
>>> don't know will often say hi or tell your dog to do things. The name
>>> thing is so that people whom you don't want calling your dog will be
>>> slightly less
>>>
>>> distracting to the dog. Also, I've had lots of folks who remember
>>> Holly's name but not mine. Sometimes I'm kind of annoyed by that. I,
>>> mostly don't use a different name except the Nose. I'll do that when
>>> I am around folks who I don't really want to hear her name. There is
>>> no right way to control petting and other human distractions. I take
>>> them individually and deal with
>>>
>>> them accordingly. If folks are being purposely ignorant, then I am
>>> as well.
>>>
>>> If they are just curious and really don't know, then I deal with
>>> that as well. Also, it depends on how many folks you meet in a day.
>>> Also, keep in mind that dogs like people are all different. Some
>>> like people more than others. I have a friend who went to a school,
>>> came home and after a couple of years was having issues with his
>>> dog. The main issue was that his dog was
>>>
>>> dragging him out in the street. Turns out that he was letting women
>>> pet his
>>>
>>> dog in the harrness and when women were walking on the opposite side
>>> of the
>>>
>>> street, he wanted to go for a visit. The behavior was corrected but
>>> I for one don't really want to take the chance of helping Holly
>>> develop bad or unsafe behaviors.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Kristen" <kskristen at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 9:19 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Changing my Petting Policy
>>>
>>>
>>>>I agree with you completely; I'm having trouble understanding the
>>>>changing
>>>>
>>>>the name thing. My family calls Corvette Cory for short, and he has
>>>>already starting coming to that. You wouldn't want to confuse them
>>>>more with a totally different name. And, as you said, the dog would
>>>>still know
>>>>
>>>>someone is talking to it. You still can give the correct name, but
>>>>politely ask them not to talk to your guide, which will educate them
>>>>at the
>>>>
>>>>same time.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Kristen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Nicole Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 19:31:55 -0700
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Changing my Petting Policy
>>>>
>>>> Honestly, I don't get the name game. If you talk to or about a
>>>> dog, the dog is smart enough to know, regardless of if the name is
used.
>>>> Furthermore,
>>>>
>>>> as
>>>> others have already pointed out, it only takes the dog so long to
>>>> figure it out if you use another name.
>>>> When people ask about the name of your dog, they are not trying to
>>>> make trouble. If you think that the person is going to use the
>>>> name, then you could say something like, "My dog is named ..' but
>>>> please don't talk to him/her." Some people are going to talk to
>>>> your dog regardless of what you say or if you give the name. I
>>>> would rather give the name and have to explain to the person than
>>>> not give the name; otherwise, people will never learn. I have told
>>>> a lot of people that my dog is named Lexia, many of whom were
>>>> complete strangers who I probably will never see again, so it does
>>>> not really matter. Only a few of the people with whom I interact
>>>> on a regular basis talk to Lexia, and they only do it when I say it
>>>> is okay to talk to her or when she is not in harness.
>>>> I usually let people pet Lexia in harness if they ask. Luckily, I
>>>> have not had too many people try to pet her without asking. I
>>>> usually do not let people pet her if we are standing up, especially
>>>> if we are about to go somewhere any minute. When people pet Lexia,
>>>> she is in a sit or preferably a down position, and she stays by me.
>>>> I do not allow her to crawl toward the person who is petting her.
>>>> If she does, then I gently pull her back.
>>>> If
>>>>
>>>> the
>>>> behavior continues, then the visiting session is over.
>>>> I don't really like little kids petting Lexia, particularly the
>>>> ones who get excited as soon as they see her. However, on
>>>> occasion, I do hear the opposite where the child tells the parent
>>>> that it is a working dog and not to bother it, which I find quite
amusing.
>>>> I used to have a sign to the harness handle. I don't remember what
>>>> it said.
>>>> It did not really help. The people who want to pet your dog are
>>>> going to
>>>>
>>>> pet
>>>> you dog regardless of if there is a sign, so the best that you can
>>>> do is ask them not to pet your dog and do something, such as move
>>>> away, if they don't listen. You can also try to train your dog to
>>>> ignore people.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla
>>>> Rogers
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 6:24 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Changing my Petting Policy
>>>>
>>>> Dear Rox'e,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you so much for sharing a whole different perspective on
>>>> petting and setting up one's dog to respond to what you need and
>>>> not what you don't, and it surely helps to have cooperative
>>>> coworkers who understand and support what you are doing.
>>>> Darla & Happy Huck
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of The
>>>> Pawpower Pack
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 10:19 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Changing my Petting Policy
>>>>
>>>> I have never given a false name for my dogs. I would think they'd
>>>> just hear me cueing my dog using her real name and would know it
>>>> anyway. Also, I'd probably forget and give different names to the
>>>> same person. lol.
>>>> Part of the work I do with my dogs is setting they up for this
>>>> exact situation. If someone calls Laveau's name and she does not
>>>> know them well, she will ignore it. If she knows them, she will
>>>> let me know that someone
>>>>
>>>> we
>>>> know is calling her and I can choose to have her take me to them or
>>>> just go on our way.
>>>> Soleil is learning the same skills, and my friends, coworkers and
>>>> interpreters help me by setting up situations like are being described.
>>>> Since I can't hear, I can't police Soleil's interaction with the
>>>> public like a hearing person. I have to trust my dog to be able to
>>>> work through distractions like that.
>>>>
>>>> Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
>>>> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
>>>> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 29, 2014, at 9:35 AM, "Larry D. Keeler"
>>>> <lkeeler at comcast.net
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Have not changed my pet policy. I'll tell folks I know her name
>>>> and sometimes I'll take her harrness off so she can interact with
others.
>>>> However, I usually ignore folks whom I don't know. I don't make up
>>>> names often although I have been known to.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raven Tolliver"
>>>> <ravend729 at gmail.com
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 10:23 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Changing my Petting Policy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh yes! It annoys me to no end when people ask what my dog's name is.
>>>> I just tell them his name is K, or the most comical one I've been
>>>> using is Celestial Seasonings. Got the idea from a woman whose
>>>> golden's name is Lipton. So cute. But I tell people Celestial
>>>> Seasonings, and no one is inclined to even call him. Probably
>>>> 'cause they know I'm bs-ing them. Most of my acquaintances and
>>>> classmates here on campus don't even know the Golden Guy's name.
>>>>
>>>> On 4/29/14, minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I was very strict about not letting anyone pet Viva when I first
>>>> came home with her, but I've relaxed my stance since then.
>>>> Obviously I don't let anyone touch her when we're working, but if
>>>> we're just sitting somewhere and someone asks to pet her, I will
>>>> generally let them. I do tell them that if she gets too excited,
>>>> then the meet and greet is over. it's also a great way for me to
>>>> teach her self-control and obedience since I'll make her lay down
>>>> and
> stay.
>>>>
>>>> Minh
>>>>
>>>> On 4/29/14, The Pawpower Pack <pawpower4me at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> With Soleil, I have used petting as a practice time for self control.
>>>> She
>>>> loves people, and right at first, I knew that I was going to just
>>>> have to restrict all petting, or use the petting as an exercise.
>>>> Since I'm Deafblind, people tend to just pet because they are not
>>>> getting my attention with me by asking unless I'm with a hearing
>>>> person.
>>>> So if I have time to allow petting, I first tell her down. I tell
>>>> the person wanting to pet that she can only be pet in a down and
>>>> that if she gets up, they are to stop, I thank them for helping me
>>>> with her training, so they feel good. They pet her and then in mid
>>>> pet I ask her to come away and touch my hand and click and treat.
>>>> She is a lab, so would rather eat than lay and get petted. And her
>>>> getting up ends the session. If people pet without asking she will
>>>> turn to me.
>>>> My coworkers and friends also help in this exercise as well.
>>>> Because I'm Deafblind and a lot of my friends are deafblind, and I
>>>> work with deafblind children, she has to learn to be touched
>>>> without coming unhinged with joy. Deafblind people are a pretty
>>>> tactile lot and if a deafblind child has never seen a guide dog,
>>>> they can look at her-- with their
>>>> hands--
>>>> and learn. So far, Soleil's doing really well!
>>>>
>>>> Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
>>>> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
>>>> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 29, 2014, at 6:41 AM, "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Generally I just say, "No, but thank you for asking." I smile and
>>>> make it seem like them asking was a wonderful thing. Then I move
>>>> on. Standing there will encourage a discussion or debate or
>>>> whatever, moving on indicates that you don't want to discuss your
>>>> no petting rule and it also reinforces that you need to get stuff
>>>> done and don't have time for petting.
>>>>
>>>> I do allow petting on occasion. If I do I let the person know it's
>>>> up to Monty if he wants to be petted. I give Monty his release cue
>>>> and let him approach if he wants. Usually he will give the person
>>>> a perfunctory sniff and he's done. Every now and then he will back
>>>> away from the person, which is kind of embarrassing, but they get
>>>> it that he doesn't want to be petted.
>>>> He's not very into meet and greet with people though, so this works.
>>>>
>>>> Last week I was in the grocery store and there was a Mom with about
>>>> four kids. The kids wanted to pet Monty and asked their Mom.
>>>> Usually parents just say the dog is working and leave it alone, but
>>>> this Mom went on a complete tirade. I thought the kids were
>>>> perfectly well behaved in asking their Mom first if they could
>>>> approach me to ask if they could pet, but Mom really lit into them.
>>>> Then she was on to another topic and how horrible the kids were and
>>>> on and on and on. So about four isles later I asked one of the
>>>> kids if he would like to pet the dog. It made the kids day. I
>>>> can't remember the last time I've offered petting to a kid, but I
>>>> really felt bad for them.
>>>>
>>>> When I talk to people about guide dogs or if I'm doing a
>>>> presentation or something, I always stress that dogs are different
>>>> and people are different, but asking is always okay. the answer
>>>> might be no but politely asking and respecting the answer is good.
>>>> It's interesting that I rarely have issues with kids. It's adults
>>>> that have issues with self control.
>>>>
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Darla Rogers
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 1:36 AM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Changing my Petting Policy
>>>>
>>>> Thank you Raven and Michael; I believe, and several others have
>>>> also states this practice, just not to allow it while we are out
working.
>>>> I don't owe the general public anything; if they want to pet a dog,
>>>> the shelters are crying for volunteers to socialize their dogs; on
>>>> the other hand, if it raises money for my school. <tongue firmly
>>>> in
>>>> cheek> Very Gratefully, Darla & Handsome Huck
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael
>>>> Hingson
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 12:40 AM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Changing my Petting Policy
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I do not permit anyone to pet Africa while she is in harness. If
>>>> people want to pet her and I have the time I will remove her
>>>> harness and then allow petting. If I do not have time I politely
>>>> explain that while the harness is on she is working and cannot be
>>>> petted and that I do not have time to remove it now. Especially
>>>> when people go along with my wishes I thank them very much. If
>>>> people still insist on petting Africa I will get more stern.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael Hingson
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla
>>>> Rogers
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 10:22 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Changing my Petting Policy
>>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Handsome Huck is a people magnet and peo9ple are
>>>> magnets for him; there is some petting--last time going through a
>>>> revolving door--and I used to let him sit and be petted, but I
>>>> don't believe this is in the best interest of our working relationship?
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas? Strategies? Explanations?
>>>>
>>>> Darla & Mister Socialite
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Darla J. Rogers
>>>>
>>>> djrogers0628 at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
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