[nagdu] Relieving in and out of harness WAS Re: Myguydog:introduction

[Nicole Torcolini]

Define necessary. Is it necessary if the dog really has to go and he has
been giving you signals but you have been ignoring them or they are signals
that you cannot detect because they are visual signals? Is it necessary if
the handler allows the dog to over eat/drink and then does not take the dog
out more often to compensate for this? If a dog deliberately relieved in
harness just because, then it might be okay to give a correction, but, JMHO,
in most other cases, not.

Nicole and Lexia

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Myguydog:introduction

i agree with removing the harness also.
and, i agree with giving a correction if necessary.
if a dog can tell that it's time to work when you put the harness on, then,
he can also tell that it's time to relieve when you take it off.
jmho.

vivianna

On Aug 20, 2014, at 11:44 PM, Nicole Torcolini via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> I agree with removing the harness. When your dog relieved in harness 
> without warning, was it a lot or a little? The few times that Lexia 
> has had accidents, they were mostly my fault and not hers. JMHO, you 
> really should not correct your dog for going in harness. How exactly do
you correct him?
> As he is still doing it? As many people have said on this list, when 
> you correct a dog, the dog does not always know why he/she is getting 
> a correction. If you do that too much, your dog is going to be afraid 
> to go at all. If it only happens once in a blue moon, then I would not 
> worry about it. When things like that happen, it is important to 
> evaluate why it happened and try to figure out if it was the handler, 
> the dog, neither, or both. Usually, if Lexia has to urinate more 
> often, it's because I let her drink too much water as dogs sometimes 
> seem to not know their own limits when it comes to water consumption.
> 
> Nicole and Lexia who sometimes thinks that she is a camel who can hold 
> water
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lori Dent 
> via nagdu
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 9:24 PM
> To: Ashley Coleman; NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of 
> Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Relieving in and out of harness WAS Re: My 
> guydog:introduction
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> When my guide needs to (park) relieve  himself  while out and about he 
> will let me know he needs to go by stopping and and pulling over to 
> the grass. I always remove my dog's harness before letting him do his
business.
> I always give my dog plenty of opportunities to go before we start out 
> walking. And I do have desanated areas on my routes  that I will allow 
> my dog to go at if he needs to go.But there's been a time or two where 
> my guide will pee in harness  without warming  and I will correct my 
> dog for going in harness and then go ahead and remove the harness and 
> give my dog the opportunity to go. I don't want my dog relieving 
> himself in harness because then he will get the idea that it's okay to 
> go while in harness  when it's not okay. So that is why I always 
> remove my dog's harness. And I think it's not a good idea to let a 
> guide go and relieve him or herself in harness because to me that can only
confuse the dog. But that's just my opinion.
> Take care.
> 
> Lori and the Gipper
> 
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