[nagdu] How does your dog help you?

[Tracy Carcione]

Working in the big city, I encounter a lot of moving obstacles where the dog 
is very helpful.  My dogs have saved me from idiot drivers more times than I 
like to think about.  They've also kept me from being clobbered by someone 
racing out of a store or around a corner without looking.  Then there is the 
endless construction, guys up on ladders, guys unloading trucks, and crowds 
to maneuver through. There's finding the stairs next to a noisy bus, with 
overhead obstacles thrown in just for fun.  I think if I had to use a cane 
in the City, I'd have to cary 2 or 3 spares, because the darn thing would 
get broken by people rushing about.
Tracy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brandon A. Olivares via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
To: "Sofia Gallo" <gopgirl73 at gmail.com>; "NAGDU Mailing List,the National 
Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] How does your dog help you?


One of my wife’s friends from college had a guide dog, and he did the same 
thing. Her friend got lost on campus, and his dog brought him right back to 
the dorm.

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On Aug 26, 2014, at 8:36 PM, Sofia Gallo via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> I will never forget the day I got lost on campus and my dog took me to
> a building near by that we had identified as a landmark.
>
> Obviously it is good to have good O&M skills and try not to get lost,
> but when it does happen in a relatively familiar place, it was
> definitely a huge help.
>
> Sofia
>
> On 8/26/14, Larry D Keeler via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Well Dan, dogs certainly do that. But also they provide companionship, 
>> alert
>>
>> you to others who might be trying to sneak up on you, ad percieved
>> protection in bad neighborhoods and alert us to folks at our doors. Those
>> things are not emphasized but they are usually there. No, I'm not talking
>> about dog aggression or exsessive barking or anything like that for those
>> who might think so. For example, Holly wags or pulls harder when family
>> members or friends are about. She will also let me know by moving closer 
>> to
>>
>> me or other body language that someone strange is about. A couple of 
>> barks
>> tell me someone is at the door or more disturbing, at my window. And, in
>> some neighborhoods folks see Holly and just leave me alone. Finding 
>> things
>> such as dorrs, elevators and bus stops and light poles for crossing the
>> street are also a big help.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dan Weiner via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "'Amber M'" <thetraveler87 at gmail.com>; "'NAGDU Mailing List,the 
>> National
>>
>> Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 7:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] How does your dog help you?
>>
>>
>>> Hello to all.
>>> Well I thought this would be a fun question for the list.
>>> I was talking by Skype with a Russian partially-sighted lady who speaks
>>> good
>>> English and she asked me how my dog helped me and why can't I do the 
>>> same
>>> things with a cane.
>>>
>>> I gave her an answer which I don't think convinced her very much, not 
>>> that
>>>
>>> I
>>> really want to convince but it made me think that that would be fun to
>>> see
>>> how people on the list answer that question.
>>> I told her I would ask on the list and see what people say.
>>> I said that my dog takes me around obstacles, stops at steps and curbs,
>>> finds things for me, helps me keep walking in a straight line and
>>> generally
>>> I felt made me safer and more efficient.
>>> I said that when it's working out well with the dog it is the closest
>>> feeling that I can come across to walking as a sighted person since I
>>> remember that a little bit from being akid, though I will say the
>>> memories
>>> are fading--lol
>>>
>>> I also explained intelligent disobedience.
>>>
>>> So if you all have nothing better to do, right answers  to that question
>>> and
>>> maybe we will all learn a thing or two about each other and our
>>> experience.
>>> I also wrote that since I only hear out of one ear that I veer terribly
>>> and
>>> I  walk straighter with a dog who keeps me on the straight and narrow.
>>>
>>> I suppose I must like it after all, I've been doing the dog thing as a
>>> friend of mine calls it for twenty years--lol
>>>
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>> Dan Weiner'
>>>
>>> dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amber M via
>>> nagdu
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 3:19 PM
>>> To: Valerie Gibson; NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide
>>> Dog
>>> Users
>>> Subject: How does your dog help you?
>>>
>>> Hi Valerie and all,
>>> I would like to say a few things here, because, like Nicole, I chose not
>>> to
>>> give certain information, a to avoid extra information cluttering my
>>> questions, and be because I did not initially think that that 
>>> information
>>> was relevant.
>>> When I first talked with the breeder, and even now, we are not sure and
>>> were
>>> not sure whether or not I was going to actually get to keep her. Right
>>> now,
>>> my husband and I are still discussing whether or not he thinks it's
>>> feasible
>>> for us to take this on.
>>> Also, in respect to my work schedule and it being compatible with me
>>> training, unfortunately, I do not get to choose my work schedule. And, 
>>> if
>>>
>>> I
>>> waited until I had the "right schedule quote, I wouldn't get to train at
>>> all. I normally only work 40 hours. When I did meet with this breeder, I
>>> had
>>> no idea whether or not I was going to get to keep a puppy, and even if
>>> there
>>> would be the right puppy. I had already signed up for these hours, and I
>>> was
>>> not able to back out of them. The policy for overtime states that if you
>>> do
>>> offer to work it, you must do that regardless, so I was not in a 
>>> position
>>>
>>> to
>>> cancel. Had I known for sure that I was going to get to keep a puppy,
>>> even
>>> for a short amount of time, I would not have taken those hours.
>>> Now, I am spending the mornings with her, and taking her for walks, and
>>> playing with her, before working in the afternoon.
>>> In fact, the other evening, after I got off, at midnight, I will add, we
>>> went for a walk that lasted probably about an hour and a half. I did not
>>> even get back and get us back in bed until 130.
>>> So my commitment to this, is not really a question. Working with her the
>>> same kind of hours somebody else, who isn't working, or who is in 
>>> school,
>>> but isn't in class as many hours as I am actually working my job, is not
>>> feasible. But, working with her in general, and being able to devote my
>>> free
>>> time to her, is very feasible.
>>> She is very eager to learn, and so I mentioned a few things that I am
>>> wondering about, or worried about, there are many things that we have
>>> worked
>>> on and have been pretty successful with, that I did not mention. So it 
>>> is
>>> not as though we have not spent any time together or done anything
>>> productive yet.
>>> Amber
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Aug 26, 2014, at 1:16 PM, Valerie Gibson via nagdu 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Personally i would have planned my puppy around my schedule, not the
>>>> other
>>> way around.  Since you'd already signed up for hours, it might have been
>>> best to wait until another litter is born.  Excitement to start training
>>> is
>>> understandable, but since you're dealing with a young pup that will be a
>>> service dog one day, socialization and all the puppy requirements from
>>> you
>>> will have to be more structured than if it were a family pet.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not saying you can't do it now, but only that this seems to have
>>>> been
>>> rushed into.
>>>>
>>>> I had a golden oppertunity to get a puppy from a litter before Zion's.
>>>> I
>>> didn't though, because I knew that I couldn't devote the amount of time
>>> needed to him at that time.  When I did get him, it was still a bit of
>>> work
>>> to deal with him and school, but I got him at a time where i could
>>> schedule
>>> my work around him. If I'd not been able to do that, I wouldn't have
>>> gotten
>>> the puppy.
>>>>
>>>> So, that's my bit on that.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, what's done is done. Let's move on.
>>>>
>>>> As ar as the whining goes. clickers really only work for barking, at
>>>> least
>>> in my experience.  Understand that your dog is very young still and 
>>> might
>>>
>>> be
>>> scared of being taken away from her littermates.  I think the best thing
>>> to
>>> do with young puppies is ignore them when they start whining.
>>>> It teaches them that scarey things are going to happen, and they need 
>>>> to
>>> cope with it.  If you're constantly giing her attention, she is, in the
>>> end,
>>> getting what she wants.
>>>>
>>>> Once she realizes that whining is getting no response from you, she 
>>>> will
>>> stop.  This will happen slowly and obviously not over night, but it 
>>> needs
>>>
>>> to
>>> be conistant.  In a pack, dogs will ignore a dog that's seeking
>>> undeserved
>>> atttention, unless that dog puts the pack in danger.  When the dog 
>>> quiets
>>> down for 10 to 20 minutes, then go and, very calmly, say hi.  One thing
>>> to
>>> remember is your aditude must be the complete opposite as her's in this
>>> case. so if she's excited or scared, you need to dish out equal, or 
>>> more,
>>> calmness and tranquility.  I hope this make sense, but how you react
>>> nonverbally will send all kinds of messages to your dog, even if its not
>>> message you want to send.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>> Valerie
>>>>> On Aug 26, 2014, at 8:14 AM, Amber M via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Deanna,
>>>>> Yes, she is a poodle puppy. I am trying not to use corrections. And
>>>>> honestly, the whining is not nearly as bad as it was when we first
>>>>> started. This morning I was able to make breakfast without much
>>>>> noise. :-) Thanks, Amber
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2014, at 9:55 AM, Deanna Lewis <DLewis at clovernook.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Amber,
>>>>>> Good to hear from you. Is the puppy a poodle? How old is she?
>>>>>> I think it's a good idea to let her whine a bit while she is in her
>>> crate. Try to ignore her as much as possible.  Pascal used to whine 
>>> while
>>>
>>> he
>>> was in his crate. A technique a trainer taught me was to put the leash 
>>> on
>>> your dog while they are in their crate. If the dog is quiet, praise 
>>> them.
>>> Then, if the dog does whine, give a small correction.  The biggest
>>> downside
>>> is that you have to be right next to the crate. This worked wonders on
>>> Pascal, so hope it can help you too.
>>>>>> Deanna and Pascal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amber M
>>>>>> via nagdu
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 9:40 AM
>>>>>> To: Cindy Ray; NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>>>>>> Dog Users
>>>>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] An update on the owner training situation
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Cindy,
>>>>>> As I told Tracy, I normally will not be working that many hours. I
>>>>>> took
>>> on those hours before I knew I would find a puppy. I had planned to meet
>>> with the breeder, but she had not said whether she planned to bring
>>> puppies
>>> with her or whether we were just going to meet and talk. So, then she
>>> said
>>> she would bring some, but I had already signed up for those hours. With
>>> my
>>> job, we are required to work hours that we sign up for. So I was kind of
>>> put
>>> in a impossible situation.
>>>>>> Amber
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2014, at 8:52 AM, Cindy Ray via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think I'd have to agree. How are you actually going to have the
>>>>>>> time
>>> for this training thing. If I were working 80 hours a week, I would
>>> wonder
>>> how you get any rest at all. That's two regular weeks of work in one.
>>> YIKES!
>>> I would think letting her whine while you are doing dishes, using the
>>> restroom, etc. would be fine. If you answer her when she whines, then 
>>> she
>>> knows that will work for her. That's just my common sense talking, not
>>> really based on knowledge.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2014, at 7:32 AM, Tracy Carcione via nagdu
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't wish to be discouraging, but, if you're working 80 hours a
>>> week, do you have the time required for puppy-training?  I understand it
>>> can
>>> be quite time-intensive.  Maybe you would be wise to wait until you're
>>> working a bit less?
>>>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amber M via nagdu"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 8:22 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] An update on the owner training situation
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>> I am sorry I have not written recently, but there has been a lot
>>> going on. I worked 82 hours last week, and since I wrote last, have met
>>> with
>>> both a trainer and a breeder. The breeder that I'm met with happened to
>>> have
>>> three puppies that she thought might be good for the task. She brought
>>> them
>>> and I met with them, and picked one that I really liked. She has allowed
>>> me
>>> to keep her for a couple of weeks to see how things go.
>>>>>>>>> I have a few questions.
>>>>>>>>> One-when you are taking a puppy that is only three months old out
>>>>>>>>> to
>>> do business, how can you keep them from eating sticks and mulch that
>>> might
>>> be bad for them and still let them do what they have to do? I have
>>> multiple
>>> times taken her out to do business and found her with a stick in her
>>> mouth.
>>> I know that she is going to need to chew on things. I can't keep her 
>>> away
>>> from it, because these are scattered around the grass where I live. It 
>>> is
>>> not that I am deliberately taking her near a place where that is easy to
>>> get
>>> to.
>>>>>>>>> Two-when I am not able to be with her, I have been putting her in
>>>>>>>>> her
>>> crate. I have made it clear that this is not a punishment. I never yell,
>>> never push her roughly, or do anything that I think would make it a bad
>>> experience. She has eaten in there several times, and I am doing this to
>>> reinforce that being in her crate actually equals a good thing. But my
>>> question has to do with her whining. I have tried clicking in treating
>>> for
>>> quiet, and then walking a little further away, or staying the same
>>> distance
>>> away, but letting the time be a little longer, but ultimately, I do not
>>> have
>>> the time to sit there for a long extended period, and she can't stay
>>> focused
>>> on the clicker for that amount of time anyway. So I am just wondering if
>>> I
>>> am wrong for having to let her wine a little sometimes because I have to
>>> go
>>> to the restroom or because I have to cook dinner or because I have to
>>> actually do the dishes etc.?
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Amber
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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