[nagdu] One Small Victory

Sun Dec 7 22:24:08 UTC 2014

This brings up an interesting question. When we go to New York, we will be doing a New York City gospel music tour. This concludes at a church. Would this fall under the ADA? Or a religious exception? What are your thoughts?

On December 6, 2014 5:29:52 PM MST, Marion Gwizdala via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>Nicole and All,
>
>	Even though it might be argued that, because a person prays in their
>car, it is a place of worship, it could be argued that anywhere a
>person
>prays is a place of worship. If one prays in a restaurant, would it be
>considered a place of worship? What about the meetings of a
>governmental
>entity in which there is an invocation? If a religious service is held
>in a
>park or someone goes there to pray and meditate, would it then be
>considered
>a place of worship? The Americans with Disabilities Act exempts
>"religious
>organizations or entities controlled by religious organizations". Even
>if
>the driver of the taxicab were a cleric, the taxicab would not be a
>religious organization or entity controlled by a religious
>organization.
>Following is the text of 42 USC 12187 which applies to such entities:.
>
>The provisions of this title shall not apply to private clubs or
>establishments exempted from coverage under title II of the Civil
>Rights Act
>of 1964 (42
>U.S.C. 2000- a(e)) or to religious organizations or entities controlled
>by
>religious organizations, including places of worship.
>
>
>	By definition, a taxicab is a place of public accommodation under
>United States law. In cases in which one's religious tenets are not
>congruent with law, the law preempts the religious tenet. In other
>words,
>one's freedom of religion ends where the law begins. If, for instance,
>one's
>religious tenets allowed for human sacrifice, the law prohibits
>homicide, so
>the religious tenet is illegal. Attached to this message is a legal
>opinion
>from the City solicitor of Cincinnati concerning taxicabs, allergies,
>and
>religion. This is only one opinion and this opinion is only a valid
>opinion
>for the City of Cincinnati; however, it is a very sound opinion to
>guide
>other jurisdictions.
>
>Fraternally yours,
>
>Marion Gwizdala, President
>National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc.
>National Federation of the Blind
>(813) 626-2789
>(888) 624-3841 (Hotline)
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>
>High expectations create unlimited potential for the blind!
>
>.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole
>Torcolini
>via nagdu
>Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 1:46 PM
>To: 'Dan Weiner'; 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
>Guide Dog
>Users'; 'Tracy Carcione'
>Subject: Re: [nagdu] One Small Victory
>
>I am not the moderator, but, to Dan and all, please be more careful
>when
>making statements about that. I don't know that much about the Muslim
>religion, but I know a little bit. It has nothing to do with soap and
>water.
>Dogs--or their saliva, I don't know which--are considered impure by the
>Muslim religion. Also, I seem to recall hearing something about Muslims
>praying multiple times daily, and they pray in their cars, so their
>cars are
>considered places of worship, and having a dog in their cars would make
>their cars impure.
>
>Nicole
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Weiner
>via
>nagdu
>Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 9:43 AM
>To: 'Tracy Carcione'; 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of
>Guide
>Dog Users'
>Subject: Re: [nagdu] One Small Victory
>
>Those guys must have never heard of soap and water.
>
>Dan
>
> 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy
>Carcione
>via nagdu
>Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 12:39 PM
>To: Debby Phillips; NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of
>Guide Dog
>Users
>Subject: Re: [nagdu] One Small Victory
>
>I think many Muslims have a taboo against being licked by a dog. 
>That's
>probably why he didn't want the dog's mouth near him.  I've had drivers
>tell
>me the same, and I do my best to keep my dog's head near me and away
>from
>the driver.
>Tracy
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Debby Phillips via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>To: "Dudley Hanks" <dhanks at dudley-hanks.com>; "NAGDU Mailing List,the
>National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>;
><nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 9:25 PM
>Subject: Re: [nagdu] One Small Victory
>
>
>> What was his reason for not allowing you in to his cab? Did he just 
>> say no? Or did he give some reason for not letting you in? I'VE never
>
>> been denied a ride but one time this cab driver said that he didn't 
>> want my dog's mouth near him.  So I held her face in my hands and 
>> petted her which she didn't mind.  But I thought that was kind of a 
>> strange request-it wasn't like we were in the front seat and my dog 
>> was
>going to lick him.
>> Lol.    Peace,    Debby
>>
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