[nagdu] Introducing myself, and a question

Darla Rogers djrogers0628 at gmail.com
Mon Feb 17 19:37:33 UTC 2014 

Dear Larry,

	Can you walk relatively close to the edge of your road?  I forgot
where you got your dog, but mine have all been trained to what the schools
call "country work," though I understand, with the snow, you might not be
able to get as close to that edge as she is comfortable.
Darla & Huggable Huck


-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry D. Keeler
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 6:08 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introducing myself, and a question

Enough do it here! And some think Holly is smarter than I am! They may be
right but not for the reasons they think! I regularly have to educate the
folks at church, at the library and even family that Holly's biggest job is
not bumping me into stuff! Although, lately its finding skinny, bumpy paths
in the snow! And, she hates to walk in the road! I live on a road that's not
really busy. I walk down to the busy one on the not busy one a lot because
its usually the clearest. Holly gets very nervous doing this.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introducing myself, and a question


> Train her to bark at people who try to give her directions. No, just 
> kidding, but that one drives me bonkers  as well. Luckily, not many 
> people do it to Lexia.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry D. 
> Keeler
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 1:14 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introducing myself, and a question
>
> Marion, I don't know how many times and how many folks come to me and 
> say something like my doctor says I need a dog, how do i get one. 
> Clearly, some don't know have any mobility skills to speak of. I am 
> currently trying to convince someone I know not to get a ddog. She has 
> a fair amount of sight and doesn't want to use her cane. She does need 
> it in the dark or where lighting is poor but only wants to be 
> identified as blind when its convenient for her. She just lost her pet 
> dog and now wants to get a guide dog. As I know the woman and do a lot 
> of volunteer work with her in town, I think its a bad idea for her 
> but, what can ya do! She'll probably get one and only use it when its 
> fashionable. She says she also needs the dog for balance as well. But, 
> the school she has applied to doesn't do balance dogs.
>
> I asked her for what balance issues and she said that she has a hard 
> time with ice and her stairs. Any way, I am a firm believer in 
> learning to travel on your own before using a dog. I waited 45 years 
> before trying the dog thing and I love it! Well except for when the 
> general public tries to tell Holly where I want to go! That doesn't 
> work!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "National Association of Guide Dog Users" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 3:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introducing myself, and a question
>
>
>> Barb,
>> I agree with your assertion that there are those who should not 
>> receive a dog until they have better O&M skills. O&M is the basic 
>> skill of travel, whether by cane or dog. Some training programs 
>> require proficiency in cane travel as a prerequisite for training, 
>> while others seem to believe the myths held by the general public 
>> that a dog will solve a blind person's mobility problems. If the 
>> person cannot get there independently, how can that person give the 
>> dog the
> proper direction to get them there? .
>>
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion Gwizdala
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> barbandzoe at comcast.net
>> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 12:10 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introducing myself, and a question
>>
>> HI everyone, I hope you and your dogs are staying warm.
>>
>> I have not gotten my dog yet, and I am also looking at Fidelco.  but 
>> the reason I am sending this is because, everyone talks about 
>> ownership, and Yes I do think it is nice to have the ownership, but I 
>> also see why some schools don't let you just take the dog and run.  I 
>> think with all schools there should be a time of about a year, on 
>> your first dog, before you have ownership, because this way the 
>> school can make sure you know how to handle a dog, both as a guide and as
a pet.
>>
>> I say this because I have been watching a couple of guys in my city 
>> who have  guide dogs, and they don't seem to know how to travel by 
>> themselves, and then they have to tell this poor confused dog which 
>> way to go.  They get off the bus and stand there just trying to 
>> decide if they should go left, right or forward.  the dog is just 
>> standing looking around and then at his person waiting to go. How I 
>> know that the people on this list are probably some of the better dog 
>> users, because to me you wouldn't be on a list like this if you 
>> didn't care about
> your dog and helping other with
>> theirs.   But I see this and I think to myself, why did they give these
>> guys a dog, because to me he looks like he needs a bit more O&M 
>> training before he can be responsible for this dog. I say this 
>> because when I talk to the schools, they tell me time and time again, 
>> that I need to walk and work these dogs almost every day to keep 
>> their skills
> sharp, No problem.
>> So I think, does the school know how the guy travels and is this 
>> still OK.
>
>> I have also seen some very good dog users and the dogs seem so much 
>> happier and confident in what they are doing.
>>
>> As I look at the  things people say and have said about their best 
>> and not so best guide dog school, It looks to me that you find a 
>> school with the kind of dog you want and the kind of training you can 
>> do, plus if you want to travel a long way from home or stay nearby.
>> I chose Fidelco because I wanted a GSD, and if I were to take four 
>> weeks off work, I wouldn't have job to come home to. I think most of 
>> the schools are very good, we mostly near about them when things go 
>> wrong.  there are a lot of people out there that have guide dogs from 
>> all the schools and are very happy in their choice.  so I think you 
>> need to look at what they offer and see which one feels right for you.
>>
>> Barb
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 5:09:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introducing myself, and a question
>>
>> Matt,
>>        Please read my article in the April 2011 Braille Monitor 
>> concerning Fidelco and my blog post at
>>
>> Harnessup.wordpress.org
>>
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion Gwizdala
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Matthew 
>> Dierckens
>> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 3:57 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: [nagdu] Introducing myself, and a question
>>
>> Hello everyone.
>> I thought I'd come over here and introduce myself, and I have a bit 
>> of an inquiry.
>> My name is Matt, and I am from Ontario Canada. I am hoping to get a 
>> guide dog sometime in the future, my goal is to have one by the end 
>> of this year.
>> I've done extended research and spoken to various schools.
>> I came across this school called Fidelco. If there's anyone on this 
>> list who have had experiences, good or bad with Fidelco, I'd like to 
>> hear about them.
>> Thank you. :)
>>
>> Matthew Dierckens
>> Macintosh Trainer
>> Blind Access Training
>> www.blindaccesstraining.com
>> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4
>>
>>
>>
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