[nagdu] Working in the Snow

Mon Feb 17 20:13:57 UTC 2014

Omg, Darrel; that is one of the funniest guide dog stories I have heard
lately, and she was right, in a way, as the pedestrian needed to move, so
you could get by. <giggle>
	Don't you just love these dogs?
Darla & handsome Huck

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daryl Marie
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 2:01 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Working in the Snow

Last week Jenny barked at a pedestrian who was tying his shoe in the middle
of the sidewalk.  Jenny couldn't go around him (to the right was a BIG
snowbank and to the left was a very busy avenue). Only thing she thought she
could do was to bark at him.  I could picture the wheels turning: You're
down at my level, and you're in my way.  MOVE!

Daryl
----- Original Message -----
From: Darla Rogers <djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
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Sent: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 12:40:42 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [nagdu] Working in the Snow

Hi Larry,

	Very good; she may realize that is what you want, in time, but they
are obstacle avoidant--which how they were trained--so I think Raben had
some good ideas about how to train what you want without spoiling training
you still need.
	I am constantly amazed at how adaptable these dogs really are given
a chance; when Huck makes a "mistake"--because that is how he was
trained--I'll say, very gently, "not that way little boy"  and try to show
him what I do want and then lavishly praise3.
Darla & Handsome Huck

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry D. Keeler
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 6:03 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introducing myself, and a question

Exactly! For example yesterday. Holly and I were out in the snow and cold. 
She found a clear path but it turned out it wasn't going where I needed to
go. I had to stop, listen and find the right way. It wasn't as clear but we
managed because I listened and refocused on the busy street I line up with. 
Holly was taking the safest path but not the right one.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
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Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introducing myself, and a question

> Rebecca,
>
> I think that what Barb meant is that the people were expecting the dog 
> to make the decisions on where to go. There is a difference in having 
> your dog wait while you work with your GPS to figure out where you are 
> going and just expecting your dog to magically know the way.
>
> Nicole and Lexia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 10:24 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introducing myself, and a question
>
> One word for you, Barb, and that is GPS.
> It's everywhere now and most of its users are sighted.
> I say this only because when someone who can see pauses to figure out 
> where they are, and what they need to do next, it's regarded as 
> normal. Yet, you don't seem willing to give these men the same 
> latitude. Why is that?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> barbandzoe at comcast.net
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 12:10 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introducing myself, and a question
>
> HI everyone, I hope you and your dogs are staying warm.
>
> I have not gotten my dog yet, and I am also looking at Fidelco.  but 
> the reason I am sending this is because, everyone talks about 
> ownership, and Yes I do think it is nice to have the ownership, but I 
> also see why some schools don't let you just take the dog and run.  I 
> think with all schools there should be a time of about a year, on your 
> first dog, before you have ownership, because this way the school can 
> make sure you know how to handle a dog, both as a guide and as a pet.
>
> I say this because I have been watching a couple of guys in my city 
> who have guide dogs, and they don't seem to know how to travel by 
> themselves, and then they have to tell this poor confused dog which 
> way to go.  They get off the bus and stand there just trying to decide 
> if they should go left, right or forward.  the dog is just standing 
> looking around and then at his person waiting to go. How I know that 
> the people on this list are probably some of the better dog users, 
> because to me you wouldn't be on a list like this if
> you didn't care about your dog and helping other with theirs.   But I see
> this and I think to myself, why did they give these guys a dog, 
> because to me he looks like he needs a bit more O&M training before he 
> can be responsible for this dog. I say this because when I talk to the 
> schools, they tell me time and time again, that I need to walk and 
> work these dogs almost every day to keep their skills sharp, No 
> problem.  So I think, does the school know how the guy travels and is 
> this still OK.  I have also seen some very good dog users and the dogs 
> seem so much happier and confident in what they are doing.
>
> As I look at the  things people say and have said about their best and 
> not so best guide dog school, It looks to me that you find a school 
> with the kind of dog you want and the kind of training you can do, 
> plus if you want to travel a long way from home or stay nearby.
> I chose Fidelco because I wanted a GSD, and if I were to take four 
> weeks off work, I wouldn't have job to come home to. I think most of 
> the schools are very good, we mostly near about them when things go 
> wrong.  there are a lot of people out there that have guide dogs from 
> all the schools and are very happy in their choice.  so I think you 
> need to look at what they offer and see which one feels right for you.
>
> Barb
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "National Association of Guide Dog Users" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 5:09:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introducing myself, and a question
>
> Matt,
>        Please read my article in the April 2011 Braille Monitor 
> concerning Fidelco and my blog post at
>
> Harnessup.wordpress.org
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion Gwizdala
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Matthew 
> Dierckens
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 3:57 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: [nagdu] Introducing myself, and a question
>
> Hello everyone.
> I thought I'd come over here and introduce myself, and I have a bit of 
> an inquiry.
> My name is Matt, and I am from Ontario Canada. I am hoping to get a 
> guide dog sometime in the future, my goal is to have one by the end of 
> this year.
> I've done extended research and spoken to various schools.
> I came across this school called Fidelco. If there's anyone on this 
> list who have had experiences, good or bad with Fidelco, I'd like to 
> hear about them.
>
> Thank you. :)
>
> Matthew Dierckens
> Macintosh Trainer
> Blind Access Training
> www.blindaccesstraining.com
> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4
>
>
>
>
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