[nagdu] Growing Up Fisher

Tue Feb 25 22:14:21 UTC 2014

Thank you so much, Carl for this post. 

I’ve been reading everyone’s reactions to the show with great interest. 

Carl’s post should be kept read prior to critiques. 

It’s info if you don’t like the show and don’t find it funny.Everyone has different levels of humor. It’s not a knock-down funny show. It’s more a warm show with some good dialog. 

One thing people need to know and review is that DJ Nash conceived of this show and states in one of his interview that it’s not a show about every blind person’s experience but about his family’s experience as they grew through a divorce. 

The interviews with Mr. Nash can be found on the GDf site, www.guidedog.org, if you care to listen.

Appartnely his father is a larger than life figure and maybe at some point his contrast to other blind people can be shown if that’s something he even recognized and shared with his son.

Truth
 here. My dog has escaped out the front door, just Sunday in fact, the first time he did so though. 

My dog has been treated to teak, a carrot carved to look like a dog bone by the adoring staff at Wolfgang Puck’s restaurant in the MGM Grand, and during the holiday season of 2012, I had an overnight layover. My large suitcase containing dog food was trapped in the luggage jail at BWI. There was no dog food in the smaller carry-on bag. My bad. I had to ask the hotel for a hamburger, plain, for Swap, who ate it happily.

I’ve cut down trees with my husband. He has some remaining vision but it took two of us to keep the direction straight and away from the house. We do the same with branches that need cutting. I don’t do chain saws. 

I do own a firearm though and will, as soon as my eye surgery heals, go take a class in its use.

As for GDF and Growing Up Fisher, yes we are the school mentioned and yes this person got his first dog from us. I don’t know much more about him than that and that he’s not a current grad.We are proud to be part of the show’s consulting team along with the local guide dog handlers in LA whom they also use as consultants. The harness is ours. The dog is an actor, not a trained guide. 

Finally,on what’s funny for our community: this varies so much. Anyone remember a movie called Men In Tights, with Mel Brooks and his team of actors? there was a character in it called Blinky, oh wait, Sir Blinken. He was, yes,a blind knight and did things like dueling with a flexible pole until he’d chopped it down. He would give the audience these subtle winks though when doing these blind things to let us know that he wasn’t that stupid. My roommate at the time picked up on these and since she was doing the audio description for me when we rented the movie, we had a great time emulating sir Blinken. 

We seem to want all blind people to be able to do everything well, correctly and without ranker. We want all guide dogs to be perfect and every interaction to be politically correct, yet some of the stories we tell to each other publicly and privately at convention are either things no one outside of our community would find funny, or things that if they appeared on a TV show, we’d be complaining about. Look how the blind community turned on Al rizzi over his handler of the US air fiasco. Well, granted it was one segment but many people went right to judgement and why did he do X, Y or Z? 

I think we have to watch this show, if we decided to do so, knowing that this is one man’s way of handling things, including his dog, and be honest with ourselves that we h
haven’t  done similar things in similar situations. 

I was in for eye surgery yesterday and several of the staff, once hearing about my job, knew the school from the show. They all liked the show and had a million questions, so it was a good series of teachable moments. If nothing else comes of this show, then we get those moments, just like when the blind chef won that cooking show competition. People were fascinated by it and once we explained how Kent cooks for us, he became the go to guy for recipes. He doesn’t cook via recipe though. Ha! Has nothing to do with being blind.If you follow me on Facebook you will see some of his creations. 

So, let’s keep watching and try not to pick the show apart as I advised the show folks we as a community are want to do. It was the only time I as a GDF staff person I was asked to give advice but hey, hopefully I headed off some people’s disappointment. :)
Jenine Stanley
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On Feb 24, 2014, at 4:25 PM, Karl W Mundstock <karl8422 at roadrunner.com> wrote:

> Something people need to understand about the Typical TV Watcher circa 2014:
> 1) They watch TV to be entertained, not to learn. TV is an entertainment.
> 2) Programs must be geared to draw the maximum number of eyes and ears. Some
> real-world accuracy is going to go out the window because of this.
> 3) More eyes and ears means more ad dollars. See number 2.
> 4) Most people don't know, don't care or don't care to know that "Seeing
> Eye" is a brand, as long as they get a laugh.
> 5) Most people couldn't spell "Labrador Retriever" if you held a gun to
> their head, cocked the hammer and started counting down from 10.
> 6) Any writer, producer or actor portraying a segment of the population with
> the potential to rise up in anger over said portrayal must be extra
> sensitive to even the slightest perceived offence lest the easily offended
> run screaming to Clicktivism Central to sign that modern exercise in
> futility, the online petition, to air their exaggerated grievances.
> 7) That anything even remotely educational appears to have come out of this
> show seems to me a small miracle.
> 8) No I don't have a TV, don't want a TV and don't plan on watching this or
> any other TV show.
> 9) I am not defending the show, merely pointing out that when it comes to
> our entertainment we expect way too much of the viewing public. And no, I'm
> not speaking up simply because one of the advisors for the show happens to
> work at the school where I got my guide. Which leads me to my last point...
> 10) Any "rivalry" I have witnessed between guide dog schools seems to have
> been propagated not by the schools themselves but by their graduates railing
> on about this or that training methodology in typical "mine's better than
> yours, neener neener neener" schoolyard fashion. I have spoken with so many
> instructors, trainers and administrators who have worked at multiple schools
> that I understand that most of the folks have worked for at least three of
> these schools throughout their careers, maybe more. If anyone working at
> these schools has said anything disparaging about another school, I expect
> it's been said in private. My personal attitude is and always has been that
> the more choices a potential handler has when contemplating taking on a
> guide dog, the better. The graduates of these schools owe it to the Guide
> Dog Movement and future handlers to show the same sense of diplomacy,
> whatever their personal gripes may be.
> 
> Addendum: It's just TV. It's not Shakespeare.
> 
> Respect.
> Karl and Tucker, dropping the mic and taking a nap.
> 
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> Today's Topics:
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>   1. Growing Up Fisher (Buddy Brannan)
>   2. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Mike)
>   3. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Marsha Drenth)
>   4. Actually,	I wondered where he had gone to get his guide dog
>      as well. They	just sort of skipped that detail. However,	it
> is a
>      comedy and should probably be viewed as such (Sherri Brun)
>   5. Re: Actually, I wondered where he had gone to get his guide
>      dog as well. They just sort of skipped that detail. However, it
>      is a comedy and should probably be viewed as such (Mike)
>   6. Re: Actually, I wondered where he had gone to get his guide
>      dog as well. They just sort of skipped that detail. However, it
>      is a comedy and should probably be viewed as such (Mike)
>   7. Re: Actually,	I wondered where he had gone to get his guide
>      dog as well. They	just sort of skipped that detail. However,	it
>      is a comedy and should probably be viewed as such (Jewel)
>   8. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Brandy Pinder)
>   9. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Mike)
>  10. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Aleeha Dudley)
>  11. Re: Growing Up Fisher (af032010 at gmail.com)
>  12. Re: New dog and changing name was Re:Age of qualifyingguide
>      dogs (Tracy Carcione)
>  13. Re: New dog and changing name was Re:Age of qualifyingguide
>      dogs (Craig Heaps)
>  14. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Howard J. Levine)
>  15. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Mike)
>  16. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Buddy Brannan)
>  17. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Howard J. Levine)
>  18. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Howard J. Levine)
>  19. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Brandy Pinder)
>  20. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Shannon Dyer)
>  21. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Larry D. Keeler)
>  22. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Shannon Dyer)
>  23. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Buddy Brannan)
>  24. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Buddy Brannan)
>  25. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Shannon Dyer)
>  26. Re: Growing Up Fisher (craig.heaps at comcast.net)
>  27. Re: Actually,	I wondered where he had gone to get his guide
>      dog as well. They	just sort of skipped that detail. However,	it
>      is a comedy and should probably be viewed as such (Buddy Brannan)
>  28. Re: Actually,	I wondered where he had gone to get his guide
>      dog as well.	They	just sort of skipped that detail. However,
> it
>      is a comedy and should probably be viewed as such (Howard J. Levine)
>  29. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Darla Rogers)
>  30. Re: Actually,	I wondered where he had gone to get his guide
>      dog as well.	They	just sort of skipped that detail. However,
> it
>      is a comedy and should probably be viewed as such (Darla Rogers)
>  31. Re: Growing Up Fisher (melissa R green)
>  32. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Howard J. Levine)
>  33. Re: Growing Up Fisher (melissa R green)
>  34. Re: New Dog and Changing the Nam was RE: Age of Qualifying
>      Guide Dogs (melissa R green)
> 
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 07:52:29 -0500
> From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
> Message-ID: <58D7AE62-7BFB-4717-A48F-B2470E309DAD at brannan.name>
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> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night? 
> 
> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended eventually.
> For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this thing for one
> wasn?t funny. For another, oh, where to begin? 
> 
> Where did the guy?s family think he went for a month? Or did he just pick up
> a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store? 
> 
> Veal cutlet? Really? 
> 
> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real? C?mon.
> 
> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV. 
> 
> Oh, and mom?midlife crisis much? 
> 
> I?ll give it another go, but i?m not very optimistic. 
> 
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 09:41:46 -0500
> From: Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
> Message-ID: <530B5A2A.60505 at gmail.com>
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> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh.  I didn't get a 
> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published 
> about it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot 
> of good points to say on the show.  SO I think I'll take them over you.
> Mike.
> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>> 
>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this thing
> for one wasn?t funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>> 
>> Where did the guy?s family think he went for a month? Or did he just pick
> up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>> 
>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>> 
>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
> C?mon.
>> 
>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>> 
>> Oh, and mom?midlife crisis much?
>> 
>> I?ll give it another go, but i?m not very optimistic.
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> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 09:47:26 -0500
> From: Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
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> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not likethe
> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
> thank you, from your list moderator!y
> 
> Marsha drenth  
> Sent with my IPhone 
> 
>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh.  I didn't get a
> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published about
> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
> points to say on the show.  SO I think I'll take them over you.
>> Mike.
>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>> 
>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this thing
> for one wasn?t funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>> 
>>> Where did the guy?s family think he went for a month? Or did he just pick
> up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>> 
>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>> 
>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
> C?mon.
>>> 
>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>> 
>>> Oh, and mom?midlife crisis much?
>>> 
>>> I?ll give it another go, but i?m not very optimistic.
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:10:19 -0500
> From: Sherri Brun <flmom2006 at gmail.com>
> To: "nagdu at nfbnet.org" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] Actually,	I wondered where he had gone to get his
> 	guide dog as well. They	just sort of skipped that detail. However,
> it
> 	is a comedy and should probably be viewed as such
> Message-ID: <5E8CA47B-7ABC-4E1E-95A0-B30F7F2C30F2 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii
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> 
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:11:45 -0500
> From: Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Actually, I wondered where he had gone to get his
> 	guide dog as well. They just sort of skipped that detail. However,
> it
> 	is a comedy and should probably be viewed as such
> Message-ID: <530B6131.60801 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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> Just letting you know, you wrote that all in the subject field. :)
> Mike.
> On 2/24/2014 10:10 AM, Sherri Brun wrote:
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:14:06 -0500
> From: Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Actually, I wondered where he had gone to get his
> 	guide dog as well. They just sort of skipped that detail. However,
> it
> 	is a comedy and should probably be viewed as such
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> They also wouldn't show that as that would've taken more time and then 
> they would've put the school in there, and it's not a big plot point for 
> the show where he got the dog from anyway.  Sorry, meant to put that 
> last part in my previous message.
> Mike.
> On 2/24/2014 10:10 AM, Sherri Brun wrote:
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:21:13 -0500
> From: Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
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> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Actually,	I wondered where he had gone to get his
> 	guide dog as well. They	just sort of skipped that detail. However,
> it
> 	is a comedy and should probably be viewed as such
> Message-ID: <73C9C72C-C42E-4A90-B07B-0A7799B1004F at gmail.com>
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> I imagine they understand the rivalry between schools and didn't want to
> start any arguments about that, so just left that out. Any chance I can
> watch this online? 
> Jewel 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> They also wouldn't show that as that would've taken more time and then
> they would've put the school in there, and it's not a big plot point for the
> show where he got the dog from anyway.  Sorry, meant to put that last part
> in my previous message.
>> Mike.
>>> On 2/24/2014 10:10 AM, Sherri Brun wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:21:26 -0500
> From: Brandy Pinder <bdpinder at gmail.com>
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> Cc: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
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> I agree with mike. I did find it funny. I also saw some educational stuff in
> there. For instance explaining the dog doesn't quote see for you but guides
> you. Now they should of mentioned seeing eye is a name brand. Also, locking
> the dog in the pantry was meant to be funny and any parents can agree they
> do things like this to help there kids through something, would I do it that
> way maybe not but again it's a comedy. Does every one think that all black
> families are like the house of pain? I would of been mad if when he cut down
> the tree it hit the house, or when parking he hit a car. I had a boyfriend
> who let me drive twice when no one was on the road. I have seen blind
> parents who used to drive give their kids driving pointers. And lastly it
> was a pilot episode. If you look at the summary of the next episode it goes
> into detail. If this was a movie or reality show I would be more nit picky
> but it is a comedy. I think we should be happy they are trying to portray
> people who are blind. Is it perfect? Maybe not but if this keeps going maybe
> they will make more like it and actually use blind actors etc. The director
> consulted extensively with people who are blind in los Angeles as well as
> got extensive information and equipment from gdf not to mention he lived it.
> It's not like he pulled this out of thin air. If agencies go and protest it
> it and any other shows like it would disappear. Bottom line it is a comedy.
> If Tim the tool man Taylor was a normal home improvement guy would it be
> funny? 
> 
> brandy pinder
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>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> 
>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not likethe
> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>> 
>> Marsha drenth  
>> Sent with my IPhone 
>> 
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh.  I didn't get a
> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published about
> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
> points to say on the show.  SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>> Mike.
>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>> 
>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this thing
> for one wasn?t funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>> 
>>>> Where did the guy?s family think he went for a month? Or did he just
> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>> 
>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>> 
>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
> C?mon.
>>>> 
>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>> 
>>>> Oh, and mom?midlife crisis much?
>>>> 
>>>> I?ll give it another go, but i?m not very optimistic.
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> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:27:02 -0500
> From: Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
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> I just really found it amazing that the NFB even was like yes, it's 
> good. Yeah their are some some wrong things in here, but hey. It's a 
> comedy and it did a great job.  It's only the pilot episode.  They were 
> the ones who I thought would bash it all to crap.  Apparently I was 
> wrong. I'm watching it now and am so far really enjoying it.  As for 
> watching it online, unless NBC has it up on their site for those who 
> want to watch it without description, I'm not sure where you could get 
> it from.
> Mike.
> 
> On 2/24/2014 10:21 AM, Brandy Pinder wrote:
>> I agree with mike. I did find it funny. I also saw some educational stuff
> in there. For instance explaining the dog doesn't quote see for you but
> guides you. Now they should of mentioned seeing eye is a name brand. Also,
> locking the dog in the pantry was meant to be funny and any parents can
> agree they do things like this to help there kids through something, would I
> do it that way maybe not but again it's a comedy. Does every one think that
> all black families are like the house of pain? I would of been mad if when
> he cut down the tree it hit the house, or when parking he hit a car. I had a
> boyfriend who let me drive twice when no one was on the road. I have seen
> blind parents who used to drive give their kids driving pointers. And lastly
> it was a pilot episode. If you look at the summary of the next episode it
> goes into detail. If this was a movie or reality show I would be more nit
> picky but it is a comedy. I think we should be happy they are trying to
> portray people who are blind. Is it perfect? Maybe not but if this keeps
> going maybe they will make more like it and actually use blind actors etc.
> The director consulted extensively with people who are blind in los Angeles
> as well as got extensive information and equipment from gdf not to mention
> he lived it. It's not like he pulled this out of thin air. If agencies go
> and protest it it and any other shows like it would disappear. Bottom line
> it is a comedy. If Tim the tool man Taylor was a normal home improvement guy
> would it be funny?
>> 
>> brandy pinder
>> Alumni Council -  second vice Chairman
>> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc?
>> and America's VetDogs?, The Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc?
>> Providing "Second uSight"? since 1946
>> 
>> 371 E. Jericho Turnpike smith town ny 11766
>> Cso: 866-282-8047
>> Email: brandydp at verizon.net
>> Cell: 304-685-4499
>> 
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>> 
>>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not likethe
> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>> 
>>> Marsha drenth
>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh.  I didn't get a
> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published about
> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
> points to say on the show.  SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>>> Mike.
>>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>> 
>>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this thing
> for one wasn?t funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Where did the guy?s family think he went for a month? Or did he just
> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
> C?mon.
>>>>> 
>>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh, and mom?midlife crisis much?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I?ll give it another go, but i?m not very optimistic.
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:29:29 -0500
> From: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
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> NBC should have it on their site. Hulu has it and the show  is free
> right now because it's publicly available elsewhere.
> 
> On 2/24/14, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I just really found it amazing that the NFB even was like yes, it's
>> good. Yeah their are some some wrong things in here, but hey. It's a
>> comedy and it did a great job.  It's only the pilot episode.  They were
>> the ones who I thought would bash it all to crap.  Apparently I was
>> wrong. I'm watching it now and am so far really enjoying it.  As for
>> watching it online, unless NBC has it up on their site for those who
>> want to watch it without description, I'm not sure where you could get
>> it from.
>> Mike.
>> 
>> On 2/24/2014 10:21 AM, Brandy Pinder wrote:
>>> I agree with mike. I did find it funny. I also saw some educational stuff
>>> in there. For instance explaining the dog doesn't quote see for you but
>>> guides you. Now they should of mentioned seeing eye is a name brand.
> Also,
>>> locking the dog in the pantry was meant to be funny and any parents can
>>> agree they do things like this to help there kids through something,
> would
>>> I do it that way maybe not but again it's a comedy. Does every one think
>>> that all black families are like the house of pain? I would of been mad
> if
>>> when he cut down the tree it hit the house, or when parking he hit a car.
>>> I had a boyfriend who let me drive twice when no one was on the road. I
>>> have seen blind parents who used to drive give their kids driving
>>> pointers. And lastly it was a pilot episode. If you look at the summary
> of
>>> the next episode it goes into detail. If this was a movie or reality show
>>> I would be more nit picky but it is a comedy. I think we should be happy
>>> they are trying to portray people who are blind. Is it perfect? Maybe not
>>> but if this keeps going maybe they will make more like it and actually
> use
>>> blind actors etc. The director consulted extensively with people who are
>>> blind in los Angeles as well as got extensive information and equipment
>>> from gdf not to mention he lived it. It's not like he pulled this out of
>>> thin air. If agencies go and protest it it and any other shows like it
>>> would disappear. Bottom line it is a comedy. If Tim the tool man Taylor
>>> was a normal home improvement guy would it be funny?
>>> 
>>> brandy pinder
>>> Alumni Council -  second vice Chairman
>>> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc(R)
>>> and America's VetDogs(R), The Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc(R)
>>> Providing "Second uSight"(R) since 1946
>>> 
>>> 371 E. Jericho Turnpike smith town ny 11766
>>> Cso: 866-282-8047
>>> Email: brandydp at verizon.net
>>> Cell: 304-685-4499
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not
> likethe
>>>> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>>>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha drenth
>>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh.  I didn't get a
>>>>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published
>>>>> about it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot
>>>>> of good points to say on the show.  SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>>>> Mike.
>>>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
>>>>>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this
>>>>>> thing for one wasn't funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Where did the guy's family think he went for a month? Or did he just
>>>>>> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
>>>>>> C'mon.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Oh, and mom...midlife crisis much?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'll give it another go, but i'm not very optimistic.
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:36:11 -0500
> From: af032010 at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
> Message-ID: <0079F340-5831-4B9C-AEC4-974BF437A234 at gmail.com>
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> I found the show very nice. It is different from the shows we have today.
> :-)
> Amanda
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh.  I didn't get a
> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published about
> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
> points to say on the show.  SO I think I'll take them over you.
>> Mike.
>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>> 
>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this thing
> for one wasn?t funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>> 
>>> Where did the guy?s family think he went for a month? Or did he just pick
> up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>> 
>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>> 
>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
> C?mon.
>>> 
>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>> 
>>> Oh, and mom?midlife crisis much?
>>> 
>>> I?ll give it another go, but i?m not very optimistic.
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> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:56:44 -0500
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] New dog and changing name was Re:Age of
> 	qualifyingguide dogs
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> 
> Thanks Mardi.  That sounds like a good method.  I always thought the new
> dog name would need to sound quite similar to the old one, but I see
> that's not necessarily so.
> 
> I toyed with changing my dog Amba's name to Amber, but it did not suit
> her.  I later found out that Amba is one of the Hindu names for the Mother
> Goddess, and thus suited Amba absolutely.
> 
> GDB used to have a real thing for food names.  I swear everyone in the
> puppy department must have been on a diet!  Waffles was one I remember. 
> I'd sure have changed that!
> 
> It's hard enough to get strangers to treat me as an adult to be taken
> seriously.  IMO, having a dog with a silly name would make that task
> harder.
> Tracy
> 
>> I like the method that you use. I was going to suggest something like
>> that,
>> but decided not to since I have never actually had to change the name of a
>> dog. As far as names themselves, it is sometimes absolutely  ridiculous
>> what
>> people consider to be names, and, JMHO, some of the schools sometimes
>> don't
>> set a very good example. Maybe not completely, but, if you would not use
>> that for a person name, then it is probably not a good dog name either.
>> Yes, please email me off list with the story about the dog names.
>> 
>> Nicole and Lexia
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mardi Hadfield
>> Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 10:18 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] New dog and changing name was Re:Age of
>> qualifyingguide
>> dogs
>> 
>> Hi fellow Lister's, Mardi again.  I have changed many of the rescued dogs
>> names,providing they came to us with names.Some people give their dogs the
>> most rediculous names,ie. Baby Girl, Sweetie pie,Woolfy.Well you get the
>> idea.When I bought Nala from a breeder, Her name was Pepper.I gave her a
>> Lakota name. Wakinyan nis Nala,pronounced Wok  in  yon  neesh   Nala. It
>> means, "Alone in Thunder'. It was thundering and raining on the day I got
>> her and she looked so alone and scared.When Shaman came to me from the
>> woman
>> who rescued him from the shelter, she was calling him Fritz. The name on
>> his
>> paper work was Duke. He had been an owner turn in to the shelter. I
>> decided
>> to call him Shaman.When I got Neechee, which is spelled N i c i in
>> Lakota,her name was Cleo. I had already had a dog many years before with
>> that name and decided to change her name. Nici in Lakota means "For You".
>> There is a story behind that name and if any one wants to know about it,
>> just let me know.When I change the name of a dog that has a previous
>> name,I
>> call the dog by using both names.  Come Pepper- Nala,Sit Fritz- Shaman,
>> Forward Cleo-Neechee. I eventually drop the first name and just use the
>> new
>> name when I feel that the dog has had enough time to get used to the
>> second
>> name.They usually transition fairly fast.It works and I think that it
>> makes
>> it easier for the dog to get used to the new name.   Mardi and Shaman and
>> Neechee.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> http://wolfsinger-lakota.blogspot.com/
>> http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com
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> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 08:06:41 -0800
> From: "Craig Heaps" <craig.heaps at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] New dog and changing name was Re:Age of
> 	qualifyingguide	dogs
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> 
> When I went ot GDB, the first dog with which they matched me was Nicole. 
> That was going to be funny or awkward, depending on your perspective, 
> because I have an adult niece named Nicole.  It urns out Nicole (the dog, 
> not the niece) didn't walk fast enough.  So I went to the window 
> (figuratively) and traded for Chase.  He walked significantly faster, so I 
> called him High Speed Chase.
> 
> Craig and (High Speed) Chase
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 7:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] New dog and changing name was Re:Age of qualifyingguide
> 
> dogs
> 
> 
>> Thanks Mardi.  That sounds like a good method.  I always thought the new
>> dog name would need to sound quite similar to the old one, but I see
>> that's not necessarily so.
>> 
>> I toyed with changing my dog Amba's name to Amber, but it did not suit
>> her.  I later found out that Amba is one of the Hindu names for the Mother
>> Goddess, and thus suited Amba absolutely.
>> 
>> GDB used to have a real thing for food names.  I swear everyone in the
>> puppy department must have been on a diet!  Waffles was one I remember.
>> I'd sure have changed that!
>> 
>> It's hard enough to get strangers to treat me as an adult to be taken
>> seriously.  IMO, having a dog with a silly name would make that task
>> harder.
>> Tracy
>> 
>>> I like the method that you use. I was going to suggest something like
>>> that,
>>> but decided not to since I have never actually had to change the name of 
>>> a
>>> dog. As far as names themselves, it is sometimes absolutely  ridiculous
>>> what
>>> people consider to be names, and, JMHO, some of the schools sometimes
>>> don't
>>> set a very good example. Maybe not completely, but, if you would not use
>>> that for a person name, then it is probably not a good dog name either.
>>> Yes, please email me off list with the story about the dog names.
>>> 
>>> Nicole and Lexia
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mardi Hadfield
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 10:18 PM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] New dog and changing name was Re:Age of
>>> qualifyingguide
>>> dogs
>>> 
>>> Hi fellow Lister's, Mardi again.  I have changed many of the rescued 
>>> dogs
>>> names,providing they came to us with names.Some people give their dogs 
>>> the
>>> most rediculous names,ie. Baby Girl, Sweetie pie,Woolfy.Well you get the
>>> idea.When I bought Nala from a breeder, Her name was Pepper.I gave her a
>>> Lakota name. Wakinyan nis Nala,pronounced Wok  in  yon  neesh   Nala. It
>>> means, "Alone in Thunder'. It was thundering and raining on the day I got
>>> her and she looked so alone and scared.When Shaman came to me from the
>>> woman
>>> who rescued him from the shelter, she was calling him Fritz. The name on
>>> his
>>> paper work was Duke. He had been an owner turn in to the shelter. I
>>> decided
>>> to call him Shaman.When I got Neechee, which is spelled N i c i in
>>> Lakota,her name was Cleo. I had already had a dog many years before with
>>> that name and decided to change her name. Nici in Lakota means "For You".
>>> There is a story behind that name and if any one wants to know about it,
>>> just let me know.When I change the name of a dog that has a previous
>>> name,I
>>> call the dog by using both names.  Come Pepper- Nala,Sit Fritz- Shaman,
>>> Forward Cleo-Neechee. I eventually drop the first name and just use the
>>> new
>>> name when I feel that the dog has had enough time to get used to the
>>> second
>>> name.They usually transition fairly fast.It works and I think that it
>>> makes
>>> it easier for the dog to get used to the new name.   Mardi and Shaman and
>>> Neechee.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> http://wolfsinger-lakota.blogspot.com/
>>> http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com
>>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 11:13:54 -0500
> From: "Howard J. Levine" <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
> Message-ID: <05ec01cf317b$6acf4260$406dc720$@earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="utf-8"
> 
> 	Come on Marsha no one was nasty, did GDF call you. We have a right
> to our opinion's and please don't hold blind people to higher stand then
> sighted people. It is tv show and we can have opinion just like the rest of
> the country. I understand that this show is being back byGDF and it is all
> about money. WE as blind people have same rights rest of the country and
> don't need to kiss as just so we can get a guide dog.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:47 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
> 
> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not likethe
> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
> thank you, from your list moderator!y
> 
> Marsha drenth  
> Sent with my IPhone 
> 
>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh.  I didn't get a
> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published about
> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
> points to say on the show.  SO I think I'll take them over you.
>> Mike.
>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>> 
>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this thing
> for one wasn?t funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>> 
>>> Where did the guy?s family think he went for a month? Or did he just pick
> up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>> 
>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>> 
>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
> C?mon.
>>> 
>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>> 
>>> Oh, and mom?midlife crisis much?
>>> 
>>> I?ll give it another go, but i?m not very optimistic.
>>> _______________________________________________
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> om
>> 
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 11:17:46 -0500
> From: Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
> Message-ID: <530B70AA.7070200 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> 
> She meant that more towards me and Buddy. Not the entire list.
> Mike.
> On 2/24/2014 11:13 AM, Howard J. Levine wrote:
>> 	Come on Marsha no one was nasty, did GDF call you. We have a right
> to our opinion's and please don't hold blind people to higher stand then
> sighted people. It is tv show and we can have opinion just like the rest of
> the country. I understand that this show is being back byGDF and it is all
> about money. WE as blind people have same rights rest of the country and
> don't need to kiss as just so we can get a guide dog.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:47 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>> 
>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not likethe
> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>> 
>> Marsha drenth
>> Sent with my IPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh.  I didn't get a
> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published about
> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
> points to say on the show.  SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>> Mike.
>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>> 
>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this thing
> for one wasn?t funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>> 
>>>> Where did the guy?s family think he went for a month? Or did he just
> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>> 
>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>> 
>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
> C?mon.
>>>> 
>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>> 
>>>> Oh, and mom?midlife crisis much?
>>>> 
>>>> I?ll give it another go, but i?m not very optimistic.
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nagdu:
>>>> 
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> om
>>> 
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 11:23:02 -0500
> From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
> Message-ID: <A1404201-C9D0-4381-99F4-8EAF4D92BBBF at brannan.name>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> 
> I?m not sure what wasn?t nice about my opinion. It wasn?t funny, simple as
> that. 
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:13 AM, Howard J. Levine <WB2HWW at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
>> 	Come on Marsha no one was nasty, did GDF call you. We have a right
> to our opinion's and please don't hold blind people to higher stand then
> sighted people. It is tv show and we can have opinion just like the rest of
> the country. I understand that this show is being back byGDF and it is all
> about money. WE as blind people have same rights rest of the country and
> don't need to kiss as just so we can get a guide dog.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:47 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>> 
>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not likethe
> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>> 
>> Marsha drenth  
>> Sent with my IPhone 
>> 
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh.  I didn't get a
> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published about
> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
> points to say on the show.  SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>> Mike.
>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>> 
>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this thing
> for one wasn?t funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>> 
>>>> Where did the guy?s family think he went for a month? Or did he just
> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>> 
>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>> 
>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
> C?mon.
>>>> 
>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>> 
>>>> Oh, and mom?midlife crisis much?
>>>> 
>>>> I?ll give it another go, but i?m not very optimistic.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nagdu:
>>>> 
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> om
>>> 
>>> 
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 11:34:40 -0500
> From: "Howard J. Levine" <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
> Message-ID: <05f301cf317e$5113b4c0$f33b1e40$@earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="utf-8"
> 
> You Guys where not nasty and you have right to your opinions and I am ham
> operator and are on other list and thay don't come down on what pepole say.
> Just because we are blind we don't need to kiss as just so we can get a
> guide dog. I think the nest time I need to go for another guide dog I will
> pay for it out of my own money. I don't want to kiss ass or beg  and don't
> want pity on me. I want to stand like any one else.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 11:18 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
> 
> She meant that more towards me and Buddy. Not the entire list.
> Mike.
> On 2/24/2014 11:13 AM, Howard J. Levine wrote:
>> 	Come on Marsha no one was nasty, did GDF call you. We have a right
> to our opinion's and please don't hold blind people to higher stand then
> sighted people. It is tv show and we can have opinion just like the rest of
> the country. I understand that this show is being back byGDF and it is all
> about money. WE as blind people have same rights rest of the country and
> don't need to kiss as just so we can get a guide dog.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:47 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>> 
>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not likethe
> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>> 
>> Marsha drenth
>> Sent with my IPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh.  I didn't get a
> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published about
> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
> points to say on the show.  SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>> Mike.
>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>> 
>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this thing
> for one wasn?t funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>> 
>>>> Where did the guy?s family think he went for a month? Or did he just
> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>> 
>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>> 
>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
> C?mon.
>>>> 
>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>> 
>>>> Oh, and mom?midlife crisis much?
>>>> 
>>>> I?ll give it another go, but i?m not very optimistic.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>>> 
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> om
>>> 
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 11:44:07 -0500
> From: "Howard J. Levine" <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
> Message-ID: <05f401cf317f$a37bf050$ea73d0f0$@earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Hi Buddy from another ham operator, you where not nasty and you need to look
> at where Marsha was coming from. She is looking out for GDF. You where just
> to guys talking about a show. To GDF and other's it is about money and would
> like us to be quite and say thank you so much for our dogs and keep our
> opinions to our self.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 11:23 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
> 
> I'm not sure what wasn't nice about my opinion. It wasn't funny, simple as
> that. 
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:13 AM, Howard J. Levine <WB2HWW at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
>> 	Come on Marsha no one was nasty, did GDF call you. We have a right
> to our opinion's and please don't hold blind people to higher stand then
> sighted people. It is tv show and we can have opinion just like the rest of
> the country. I understand that this show is being back byGDF and it is all
> about money. WE as blind people have same rights rest of the country and
> don't need to kiss as just so we can get a guide dog.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:47 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>> 
>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not likethe
> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>> 
>> Marsha drenth  
>> Sent with my IPhone 
>> 
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh.  I didn't get a
> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published about
> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
> points to say on the show.  SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>> Mike.
>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>> 
>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this thing
> for one wasn't funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>> 
>>>> Where did the guy's family think he went for a month? Or did he just
> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>> 
>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>> 
>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
> C'mon.
>>>> 
>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>> 
>>>> Oh, and mom.midlife crisis much?
>>>> 
>>>> I'll give it another go, but i'm not very optimistic.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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> om
>>> 
>>> 
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 19
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 11:52:59 -0500
> From: Brandy Pinder <bdpinder at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
> Message-ID: <EAB03FCE-B4D5-42E0-BD27-B67BFAD001D6 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8
> 
> Howard and all all
> Martia was speaking to the tone of mikes email. Honestly gdf didn't tell any
> grads about the show and I know gdui members who did not attend gdf who
> helped nbc with consultations as well as I'm sure nfb.  So gdf could care
> less if we like it or not. There will probably be gdf grads who hate it. We
> all have different senses of humor.  Smile   
> 
> brandy pinder
> Alumni Council -  second vice Chairman
> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc? 
> and America's VetDogs?, The Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc? 
> Providing "Second uSight"? since 1946
> 
> 371 E. Jericho Turnpike smith town ny 11766
> Cso: 866-282-8047
> Email: brandydp at verizon.net
> Cell: 304-685-4499
> 
>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:44 AM, "Howard J. Levine" <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Buddy from another ham operator, you where not nasty and you need to
> look
>> at where Marsha was coming from. She is looking out for GDF. You where
> just
>> to guys talking about a show. To GDF and other's it is about money and
> would
>> like us to be quite and say thank you so much for our dogs and keep our
>> opinions to our self.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 11:23 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>> 
>> I'm not sure what wasn't nice about my opinion. It wasn't funny, simple as
>> that. 
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:13 AM, Howard J. Levine <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Come on Marsha no one was nasty, did GDF call you. We have a right
>> to our opinion's and please don't hold blind people to higher stand then
>> sighted people. It is tv show and we can have opinion just like the rest
> of
>> the country. I understand that this show is being back byGDF and it is all
>> about money. WE as blind people have same rights rest of the country and
>> don't need to kiss as just so we can get a guide dog.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:47 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>> 
>>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not likethe
>> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>> 
>>> Marsha drenth  
>>> Sent with my IPhone 
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh.  I didn't get a
>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published
> about
>> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
>> points to say on the show.  SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>>> Mike.
>>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>> 
>>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this
> thing
>> for one wasn't funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Where did the guy's family think he went for a month? Or did he just
>> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
>> C'mon.
>>>>> 
>>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh, and mom.midlife crisis much?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll give it another go, but i'm not very optimistic.
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> Message: 20
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 12:09:18 -0500
> From: Shannon Dyer <solsticesinger at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
> Message-ID: <54CF56AD-1208-4CBB-82E3-11E091A98778 at gmail.com>
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> I'm not a huge TV person, but I watched the first episode just to see what
> it would be like. There were a few things I liked about it, but I disliked
> most of it. Still, as many of you have said, it's a comedy. I'll probably
> watch a few more episodes, just to see where they take it.
> 
> I did find it odd that it never told us what kind of dog Elvis is supposed
> to be. It had good description, but did they just sort of forget to include
> that part?
> 
> I didn't like the stuff about the dog eating human food either.
> 
> I thought the denial of access at the hotel was nicely dealt with.
> 
> Shannon and the Acelet
> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Brandy Pinder <bdpinder at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Howard and all all
>> Martia was speaking to the tone of mikes email. Honestly gdf didn't tell
> any grads about the show and I know gdui members who did not attend gdf who
> helped nbc with consultations as well as I'm sure nfb.  So gdf could care
> less if we like it or not. There will probably be gdf grads who hate it. We
> all have different senses of humor.  Smile   
>> 
>> brandy pinder
>> Alumni Council -  second vice Chairman
>> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc? 
>> and America's VetDogs?, The Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc? 
>> Providing "Second uSight"? since 1946
>> 
>> 371 E. Jericho Turnpike smith town ny 11766
>> Cso: 866-282-8047
>> Email: brandydp at verizon.net
>> Cell: 304-685-4499
>> 
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:44 AM, "Howard J. Levine" <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Buddy from another ham operator, you where not nasty and you need to
> look
>>> at where Marsha was coming from. She is looking out for GDF. You where
> just
>>> to guys talking about a show. To GDF and other's it is about money and
> would
>>> like us to be quite and say thank you so much for our dogs and keep our
>>> opinions to our self.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 11:23 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure what wasn't nice about my opinion. It wasn't funny, simple
> as
>>> that. 
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:13 AM, Howard J. Levine <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>  Come on Marsha no one was nasty, did GDF call you. We have a right
>>> to our opinion's and please don't hold blind people to higher stand then
>>> sighted people. It is tv show and we can have opinion just like the rest
> of
>>> the country. I understand that this show is being back byGDF and it is
> all
>>> about money. WE as blind people have same rights rest of the country and
>>> don't need to kiss as just so we can get a guide dog.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:47 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>>> 
>>>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not
> likethe
>>> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>>>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha drenth  
>>>> Sent with my IPhone 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh.  I didn't get a
>>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published
> about
>>> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
>>> points to say on the show.  SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>>>> Mike.
>>>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
>>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this
> thing
>>> for one wasn't funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Where did the guy's family think he went for a month? Or did he just
>>> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
>>> C'mon.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Oh, and mom.midlife crisis much?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'll give it another go, but i'm not very optimistic.
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 21
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 12:11:03 -0500
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
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> 
> Well, as far as locking the dog up somewhere, all of mine have been left 
> somewhere in the house at sometime or another. Every sence I was a kid, our 
> little pets would get into the closets, pantries or laundry rooms. Sometimes
> 
> they would bark and others they would lie in a big pile of clothes and go to
> 
> sleep. Holly will occassionally sneak into ar room and I won't know she came
> 
> in. I'll close the door and go about my business. Later, we'll call the dogs
> 
> to go outside and we'll hear a scratch or sniff from behind the door. Even 
> sighted folks do this! And the tree! I have a funnier story than that! I 
> went over to someones house and they wanted me to help cut down this tree. 
> It wasn't very big but it was springy. Three blind dudes went out to cut it.
> 
> Me, I had the saw. My friend sat on the tree when I started to cut it. The 
> third guy who's yard it was dragged it off. And also pulled the end down so 
> as to help me open up the cut a little more! My buddy who sat on the tree is
> 
> a middle Eastern dude with a great hardy laugh. The other guy is relatively 
> quiet. And me, somewhat in between. This tree was near the street. We had 
> neighbors coming out to watch and all of us had a great time! Of course, we 
> removed the thing and we all laughed so hard folks were calling us the three
> 
> studges! The point is that yes we can be commical as well as serious. I've 
> often toyed with the idea of making a commedy routine with blindness as its 
> central focus. Addressing primarily questions that sighted folks ask us and 
> giving anwsers in humours fashion. I think I could do this quite tastefully 
> but so far, most of the blind community doesn't like humor involving them. I
> 
> believe that we could be funny and have a great time without being 
> ddiscriminatory against us blind folks. I missed the show but I wonder, is 
> the actor blind? And if so, does he really use a guide dog?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brandy Pinder" <bdpinder at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 10:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
> 
> 
>> I agree with mike. I did find it funny. I also saw some educational stuff 
>> in there. For instance explaining the dog doesn't quote see for you but 
>> guides you. Now they should of mentioned seeing eye is a name brand. Also, 
>> locking the dog in the pantry was meant to be funny and any parents can 
>> agree they do things like this to help there kids through something, would 
>> I do it that way maybe not but again it's a comedy. Does every one think 
>> that all black families are like the house of pain? I would of been mad if 
>> when he cut down the tree it hit the house, or when parking he hit a car. I
> 
>> had a boyfriend who let me drive twice when no one was on the road. I have 
>> seen blind parents who used to drive give their kids driving pointers. And 
>> lastly it was a pilot episode. If you look at the summary of the next 
>> episode it goes into detail. If this was a movie or reality show I would be
> 
>> more nit picky but it is a comedy. I think we should be happy they are 
>> trying to portray people who are blind. Is it perfect? Maybe not but if 
>> this keeps going maybe they will make more like it and actually use blind 
>> actors etc. The director consulted extensively with people who are blind in
> 
>> los Angeles as well as got extensive information and equipment from gdf not
> 
>> to mention he lived it. It's not like he pulled this out of thin air. If 
>> agencies go and protest it it and any other shows like it would disappear. 
>> Bottom line it is a comedy. If Tim the tool man Taylor was a normal home 
>> improvement guy would it be funny?
>> 
>> brandy pinder
>> Alumni Council -  second vice Chairman
>> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc?
>> and America's VetDogs?, The Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc?
>> Providing "Second uSight"? since 1946
>> 
>> 371 E. Jericho Turnpike smith town ny 11766
>> Cso: 866-282-8047
>> Email: brandydp at verizon.net
>> Cell: 304-685-4499
>> 
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not likethe
> 
>>> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>> 
>>> Marsha drenth
>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh.  I didn't get a 
>>>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published 
>>>> about it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot 
>>>> of good points to say on the show.  SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>>> Mike.
>>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>> 
>>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended 
>>>>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this 
>>>>> thing for one wasn?t funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Where did the guy?s family think he went for a month? Or did he just 
>>>>> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
> C?mon.
>>>>> 
>>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh, and mom?midlife crisis much?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I?ll give it another go, but i?m not very optimistic.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 22
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 12:11:57 -0500
> From: Shannon Dyer <solsticesinger at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
> Message-ID: <17B93CFC-90C2-46C0-9623-CAA7558757CA at gmail.com>
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> 
> I don't think Marsha or anyone else wants people to beg for a guide dog.
> This list has rules, and has had them for as long as I've been a part of it.
> It has nothing to do with Marsha being a GDF grad. I'm one too. I'm not
> looking out for them, protecting them, or expecting people to keep their
> opinions to themselves. I don't think Marsha is doing these things either.
> 
> Shannon and the Acelet
> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:44 AM, "Howard J. Levine" <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Buddy from another ham operator, you where not nasty and you need to
> look
>> at where Marsha was coming from. She is looking out for GDF. You where
> just
>> to guys talking about a show. To GDF and other's it is about money and
> would
>> like us to be quite and say thank you so much for our dogs and keep our
>> opinions to our self.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 11:23 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>> 
>> I'm not sure what wasn't nice about my opinion. It wasn't funny, simple as
>> that. 
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:13 AM, Howard J. Levine <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>> 
>>> 	Come on Marsha no one was nasty, did GDF call you. We have a right
>> to our opinion's and please don't hold blind people to higher stand then
>> sighted people. It is tv show and we can have opinion just like the rest
> of
>> the country. I understand that this show is being back byGDF and it is all
>> about money. WE as blind people have same rights rest of the country and
>> don't need to kiss as just so we can get a guide dog.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:47 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>> 
>>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not likethe
>> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>> 
>>> Marsha drenth  
>>> Sent with my IPhone 
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh.  I didn't get a
>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published
> about
>> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
>> points to say on the show.  SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>>> Mike.
>>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>> 
>>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this
> thing
>> for one wasn't funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Where did the guy's family think he went for a month? Or did he just
>> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
>> C'mon.
>>>>> 
>>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh, and mom.midlife crisis much?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll give it another go, but i'm not very optimistic.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 23
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 12:33:03 -0500
> From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
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> The access denial was excellent! But on the whole, it just wasn?t very
> funny. I?m definitely for checking out the next ones; I?d say that as
> blindness portrayals go, I?ve seen worse, but it just didn?t seem very funny
> to me. 
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 24, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Shannon Dyer <solsticesinger at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I'm not a huge TV person, but I watched the first episode just to see what
> it would be like. There were a few things I liked about it, but I disliked
> most of it. Still, as many of you have said, it's a comedy. I'll probably
> watch a few more episodes, just to see where they take it.
>> 
>> I did find it odd that it never told us what kind of dog Elvis is supposed
> to be. It had good description, but did they just sort of forget to include
> that part?
>> 
>> I didn't like the stuff about the dog eating human food either.
>> 
>> I thought the denial of access at the hotel was nicely dealt with.
>> 
>> Shannon and the Acelet
>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Brandy Pinder <bdpinder at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Howard and all all
>>> Martia was speaking to the tone of mikes email. Honestly gdf didn't tell
> any grads about the show and I know gdui members who did not attend gdf who
> helped nbc with consultations as well as I'm sure nfb.  So gdf could care
> less if we like it or not. There will probably be gdf grads who hate it. We
> all have different senses of humor.  Smile   
>>> 
>>> brandy pinder
>>> Alumni Council -  second vice Chairman
>>> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc? 
>>> and America's VetDogs?, The Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc? 
>>> Providing "Second uSight"? since 1946
>>> 
>>> 371 E. Jericho Turnpike smith town ny 11766
>>> Cso: 866-282-8047
>>> Email: brandydp at verizon.net
>>> Cell: 304-685-4499
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:44 AM, "Howard J. Levine" <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Buddy from another ham operator, you where not nasty and you need to
> look
>>>> at where Marsha was coming from. She is looking out for GDF. You where
> just
>>>> to guys talking about a show. To GDF and other's it is about money and
> would
>>>> like us to be quite and say thank you so much for our dogs and keep our
>>>> opinions to our self.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 11:23 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not sure what wasn't nice about my opinion. It wasn't funny, simple
> as
>>>> that. 
>>>> --
>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:13 AM, Howard J. Levine <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Come on Marsha no one was nasty, did GDF call you. We have a right
>>>> to our opinion's and please don't hold blind people to higher stand then
>>>> sighted people. It is tv show and we can have opinion just like the rest
> of
>>>> the country. I understand that this show is being back byGDF and it is
> all
>>>> about money. WE as blind people have same rights rest of the country and
>>>> don't need to kiss as just so we can get a guide dog.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha
> Drenth
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:47 AM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>>>> 
>>>>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not
> likethe
>>>> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>>>>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marsha drenth  
>>>>> Sent with my IPhone 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh.  I didn't get a
>>>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published
> about
>>>> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
>>>> points to say on the show.  SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>>>>> Mike.
>>>>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
>>>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this
> thing
>>>> for one wasn't funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Where did the guy's family think he went for a month? Or did he just
>>>> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
>>>> C'mon.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Oh, and mom.midlife crisis much?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'll give it another go, but i'm not very optimistic.
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> Message: 24
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 12:37:01 -0500
> From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
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> I think NBC and Hulu have it for replay.
> 
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 24, 2014, at 10:27 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I just really found it amazing that the NFB even was like yes, it's good.
> Yeah their are some some wrong things in here, but hey. It's a comedy and it
> did a great job.  It's only the pilot episode.  They were the ones who I
> thought would bash it all to crap.  Apparently I was wrong. I'm watching it
> now and am so far really enjoying it.  As for watching it online, unless NBC
> has it up on their site for those who want to watch it without description,
> I'm not sure where you could get it from.
>> Mike.
>> 
>> On 2/24/2014 10:21 AM, Brandy Pinder wrote:
>>> I agree with mike. I did find it funny. I also saw some educational stuff
> in there. For instance explaining the dog doesn't quote see for you but
> guides you. Now they should of mentioned seeing eye is a name brand. Also,
> locking the dog in the pantry was meant to be funny and any parents can
> agree they do things like this to help there kids through something, would I
> do it that way maybe not but again it's a comedy. Does every one think that
> all black families are like the house of pain? I would of been mad if when
> he cut down the tree it hit the house, or when parking he hit a car. I had a
> boyfriend who let me drive twice when no one was on the road. I have seen
> blind parents who used to drive give their kids driving pointers. And lastly
> it was a pilot episode. If you look at the summary of the next episode it
> goes into detail. If this was a movie or reality show I would be more nit
> picky but it is a comedy. I think we should be happy they are trying to
> portray people who are blind. Is it perfect? Maybe not but if this keeps
> going maybe they will make more like it and actually use blind actors etc.
> The director consulted extensively with people who are blind in los Angeles
> as well as got extensive information and equipment from gdf not to mention
> he lived it. It's not like he pulled this out of thin air. If agencies go
> and protest it it and any other shows like it would disappear. Bottom line
> it is a comedy. If Tim the tool man Taylor was a normal home improvement guy
> would it be funny?
>>> 
>>> brandy pinder
>>> Alumni Council -  second vice Chairman
>>> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc?
>>> and America's VetDogs?, The Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc?
>>> Providing "Second uSight"? since 1946
>>> 
>>> 371 E. Jericho Turnpike smith town ny 11766
>>> Cso: 866-282-8047
>>> Email: brandydp at verizon.net
>>> Cell: 304-685-4499
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not
> likethe show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>>>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha drenth
>>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh.  I didn't get a
> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published about
> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
> points to say on the show.  SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>>>> Mike.
>>>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this thing
> for one wasn?t funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Where did the guy?s family think he went for a month? Or did he just
> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
> C?mon.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Oh, and mom?midlife crisis much?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I?ll give it another go, but i?m not very optimistic.
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> Message: 25
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 12:40:28 -0500
> From: Shannon Dyer <solsticesinger at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
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> I agree. The jokes just weren't funny.
> 
> Shannon and the Acelet
> On Feb 24, 2014, at 12:33 PM, Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name> wrote:
> 
>> The access denial was excellent! But on the whole, it just wasn?t very
> funny. I?m definitely for checking out the next ones; I?d say that as
> blindness portrayals go, I?ve seen worse, but it just didn?t seem very funny
> to me. 
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Shannon Dyer <solsticesinger at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm not a huge TV person, but I watched the first episode just to see
> what it would be like. There were a few things I liked about it, but I
> disliked most of it. Still, as many of you have said, it's a comedy. I'll
> probably watch a few more episodes, just to see where they take it.
>>> 
>>> I did find it odd that it never told us what kind of dog Elvis is
> supposed to be. It had good description, but did they just sort of forget to
> include that part?
>>> 
>>> I didn't like the stuff about the dog eating human food either.
>>> 
>>> I thought the denial of access at the hotel was nicely dealt with.
>>> 
>>> Shannon and the Acelet
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Brandy Pinder <bdpinder at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Howard and all all
>>>> Martia was speaking to the tone of mikes email. Honestly gdf didn't tell
> any grads about the show and I know gdui members who did not attend gdf who
> helped nbc with consultations as well as I'm sure nfb.  So gdf could care
> less if we like it or not. There will probably be gdf grads who hate it. We
> all have different senses of humor.  Smile   
>>>> 
>>>> brandy pinder
>>>> Alumni Council -  second vice Chairman
>>>> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc? 
>>>> and America's VetDogs?, The Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc? 
>>>> Providing "Second uSight"? since 1946
>>>> 
>>>> 371 E. Jericho Turnpike smith town ny 11766
>>>> Cso: 866-282-8047
>>>> Email: brandydp at verizon.net
>>>> Cell: 304-685-4499
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:44 AM, "Howard J. Levine" <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Buddy from another ham operator, you where not nasty and you need to
> look
>>>>> at where Marsha was coming from. She is looking out for GDF. You where
> just
>>>>> to guys talking about a show. To GDF and other's it is about money and
> would
>>>>> like us to be quite and say thank you so much for our dogs and keep our
>>>>> opinions to our self.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy
> Brannan
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 11:23 AM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm not sure what wasn't nice about my opinion. It wasn't funny, simple
> as
>>>>> that. 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:13 AM, Howard J. Levine <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Come on Marsha no one was nasty, did GDF call you. We have a right
>>>>> to our opinion's and please don't hold blind people to higher stand
> then
>>>>> sighted people. It is tv show and we can have opinion just like the
> rest of
>>>>> the country. I understand that this show is being back byGDF and it is
> all
>>>>> about money. WE as blind people have same rights rest of the country
> and
>>>>> don't need to kiss as just so we can get a guide dog.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha
> Drenth
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:47 AM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not
> likethe
>>>>> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>>>>>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Marsha drenth  
>>>>>> Sent with my IPhone 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh.  I didn't get
> a
>>>>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published
> about
>>>>> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of
> good
>>>>> points to say on the show.  SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>>>>>> Mike.
>>>>>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
>>>>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this
> thing
>>>>> for one wasn't funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Where did the guy's family think he went for a month? Or did he just
>>>>> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
>>>>> C'mon.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Oh, and mom.midlife crisis much?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'll give it another go, but i'm not very optimistic.
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> Message: 26
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 18:07:00 +0000 (UTC)
> From: craig.heaps at comcast.net
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> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
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> Well, you guys got me to go to On Demand on Comcast and watch it.? It was
> pretty standard sitcom stuff, but it made me laugh out loud in a couple of
> places. 
> Don't expect it to be an accurate portrayal in every detail.? It's not a
> documentary.? It's a work of fiction desinged to make you laugh.?? I've
> worked in TV news for nearly forty years, and I still cringe when reporters
> are portrayed in movies.? But I realize the point is the plot, not the
> detailed portrayal.? As they say in Hollywood, "If you buy the premise, you
> buy the movie."? You suspend disbelief. 
> ? 
> My main thought was, "My kids would identify with this."? They grew up with
> a legally blind dad and can appreciate the differentness that goes with
> that.? They were at times my guides and protectors.? My son texted me this
> morning and said, "When I saw the previews, I thought they bought dad's
> pilot." 
> ? 
> I don't know if anyone else mentioned this, but the organization they named
> in the show was Guide Dogs Foundation.? 
> ? 
> The access stuff was fun.? The hiding the blindness was fun.? The wife was
> over the top and was the really unbelieveable part of the show, not the
> actor playing blind. 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: "Shannon Dyer" <solsticesinger at gmail.com> 
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:40:28 AM 
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher 
> 
> I agree. The jokes just weren't funny. 
> 
> Shannon and the Acelet 
> On Feb 24, 2014, at 12:33 PM, Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name> wrote: 
> 
>> The access denial was excellent! But on the whole, it just wasn?t very
> funny. I?m definitely for checking out the next ones; I?d say that as
> blindness portrayals go, I?ve seen worse, but it just didn?t seem very funny
> to me. 
>> -- 
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA 
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Shannon Dyer <solsticesinger at gmail.com>
> wrote: 
>> 
>>> I'm not a huge TV person, but I watched the first episode just to see
> what it would be like. There were a few things I liked about it, but I
> disliked most of it. Still, as many of you have said, it's a comedy. I'll
> probably watch a few more episodes, just to see where they take it. 
>>> 
>>> I did find it odd that it never told us what kind of dog Elvis is
> supposed to be. It had good description, but did they just sort of forget to
> include that part? 
>>> 
>>> I didn't like the stuff about the dog eating human food either. 
>>> 
>>> I thought the denial of access at the hotel was nicely dealt with. 
>>> 
>>> Shannon and the Acelet 
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Brandy Pinder <bdpinder at gmail.com> wrote: 
>>> 
>>>> Howard and all all 
>>>> Martia was speaking to the tone of mikes email. Honestly gdf didn't tell
> any grads about the show and I know gdui members who did not attend gdf who
> helped nbc with consultations as well as I'm sure nfb. ?So gdf could care
> less if we like it or not. There will probably be gdf grads who hate it. We
> all have different senses of humor. ?Smile ? 
>>>> 
>>>> brandy pinder 
>>>> Alumni Council - ?second vice Chairman 
>>>> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc? 
>>>> and America's VetDogs?, The Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc? 
>>>> Providing "Second uSight"? since 1946 
>>>> 
>>>> 371 E. Jericho Turnpike smith town ny 11766 
>>>> Cso: 866-282-8047 
>>>> Email: brandydp at verizon.net 
>>>> Cell: 304-685-4499 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:44 AM, "Howard J. Levine" <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
> wrote: 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Buddy from another ham operator, you where not nasty and you need to
> look 
>>>>> at where Marsha was coming from. She is looking out for GDF. You where
> just 
>>>>> to guys talking about a show. To GDF and other's it is about money and
> would 
>>>>> like us to be quite and say thank you so much for our dogs and keep our
> 
>>>>> opinions to our self. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy
> Brannan 
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 11:23 AM 
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm not sure what wasn't nice about my opinion. It wasn't funny, simple
> as 
>>>>> that. 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA 
>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:13 AM, Howard J. Levine <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
> wrote: 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Come on Marsha no one was nasty, did GDF call you. We have a right 
>>>>> to our opinion's and please don't hold blind people to higher stand
> then 
>>>>> sighted people. It is tv show and we can have opinion just like the
> rest of 
>>>>> the country. I understand that this show is being back byGDF and it is
> all 
>>>>> about money. WE as blind people have same rights rest of the country
> and 
>>>>> don't need to kiss as just so we can get a guide dog. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha
> Drenth 
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:47 AM 
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not
> likethe 
>>>>> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice! 
>>>>>> thank you, from your list moderator!y 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Marsha drenth ? 
>>>>>> Sent with my IPhone 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh. ?I didn't get
> a 
>>>>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published
> about 
>>>>> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of
> good 
>>>>> points to say on the show. ?SO I think I'll take them over you. 
>>>>>>> Mike. 
>>>>>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote: 
>>>>>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night? 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended 
>>>>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this
> thing 
>>>>> for one wasn't funny. For another, oh, where to begin? 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Where did the guy's family think he went for a month? Or did he just
> 
>>>>> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store? 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Veal cutlet? Really? 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
> 
>>>>> C'mon. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Oh, and mom.midlife crisis much? 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'll give it another go, but i'm not very optimistic. 
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 27
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 13:48:33 -0500
> From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Actually,	I wondered where he had gone to get his
> 	guide dog as well. They	just sort of skipped that detail. However,
> it
> 	is a comedy and should probably be viewed as such
> Message-ID: <F0B2568A-91AF-4260-A641-DDEAE1FEDC3A at brannan.name>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> 
> They didn?t leave it out. There?s a line wheree Mel says, ?I guess I?d
> better clothe Guide Dog Foundation?I can?t be the first blind guy to lose a
> dog?.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 24, 2014, at 10:21 AM, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I imagine they understand the rivalry between schools and didn't want to
> start any arguments about that, so just left that out. Any chance I can
> watch this online? 
>> Jewel 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> They also wouldn't show that as that would've taken more time and then
> they would've put the school in there, and it's not a big plot point for the
> show where he got the dog from anyway.  Sorry, meant to put that last part
> in my previous message.
>>> Mike.
>>>> On 2/24/2014 10:10 AM, Sherri Brun wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 28
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 14:20:25 -0500
> From: "Howard J. Levine" <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Actually,	I wondered where he had gone to get his
> 	guide dog as well.	They	just sort of skipped that detail.
> However,	it
> 	is a comedy and should probably be viewed as such
> Message-ID: <060e01cf3195$79409f00$6bc1dd00$@earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Come on the pr department was working over time.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 1:49 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Actually, I wondered where he had gone to get his guide
> dog as well. They just sort of skipped that detail. However, it is a comedy
> and should probably be viewed as such
> 
> They didn't leave it out. There's a line wheree Mel says, "I guess I'd
> better clothe Guide Dog Foundation.I can't be the first blind guy to lose a
> dog".
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 24, 2014, at 10:21 AM, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I imagine they understand the rivalry between schools and didn't want to
> start any arguments about that, so just left that out. Any chance I can
> watch this online? 
>> Jewel 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> They also wouldn't show that as that would've taken more time and then
> they would've put the school in there, and it's not a big plot point for the
> show where he got the dog from anyway.  Sorry, meant to put that last part
> in my previous message.
>>> Mike.
>>>> On 2/24/2014 10:10 AM, Sherri Brun wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 29
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 13:28:50 -0600
> From: "Darla Rogers" <djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
> Message-ID: <008f01cf3196$a65d46e0$f317d4a0$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="utf-8"
> 
> Good points, Brandi; it seemed it cut off very quickly, so I'm going to have
> to re-view it to make sure I  didn't miss anything.
> 	Remember, pilots are just pilots; I am sure the creators are kicking
> themselves about things they would have3 done differently.
> 	At least, we aren't portrayed as helpless; t5he wife, so far as I
> can figure, didn't leave because husband went blind, and comedy is often a
> good way to educate people.  Remember all those cartoons in your textbooks?
> 	I'm glad Howard has the money to pay for a guide dog; many, many of
> us do not, and depending on how it is obtained and who trains, it could be a
> very expensive proposition.
> Darla & happy Huck
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brandy Pinder
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:21 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
> 
> I agree with mike. I did find it funny. I also saw some educational stuff in
> there. For instance explaining the dog doesn't quote see for you but guides
> you. Now they should of mentioned seeing eye is a name brand. Also, locking
> the dog in the pantry was meant to be funny and any parents can agree they
> do things like this to help there kids through something, would I do it that
> way maybe not but again it's a comedy. Does every one think that all black
> families are like the house of pain? I would of been mad if when he cut down
> the tree it hit the house, or when parking he hit a car. I had a boyfriend
> who let me drive twice when no one was on the road. I have seen blind
> parents who used to drive give their kids driving pointers. And lastly it
> was a pilot episode. If you look at the summary of the next episode it goes
> into detail. If this was a movie or reality show I would be more nit picky
> but it is a comedy. I think we should be happy they are trying to portray
> people who are blind. Is it perfect? Maybe not but if this keeps going maybe
> they will make more like it and actually use blind actors etc. The director
> consulted extensively with people who are blind in los Angeles as well as
> got extensive information and equipment from gdf not to mention he lived it.
> It's not like he pulled this out of thin air. If agencies go and protest it
> it and any other shows like it would disappear. Bottom line it is a comedy.
> If Tim the tool man Taylor was a normal home improvement guy would it be
> funny? 
> 
> brandy pinder
> Alumni Council -  second vice Chairman
> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc? and America's VetDogs?, The
> Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc? Providing "Second uSight"? since 1946
> 
> 371 E. Jericho Turnpike smith town ny 11766
> Cso: 866-282-8047
> Email: brandydp at verizon.net
> Cell: 304-685-4499
> 
>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> 
>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not likethe
> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>> 
>> Marsha drenth
>> Sent with my IPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh.  I didn't get a
> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published about
> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
> points to say on the show.  SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>> Mike.
>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>> 
>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this thing
> for one wasn?t funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>> 
>>>> Where did the guy?s family think he went for a month? Or did he just
> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>> 
>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>> 
>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
> C?mon.
>>>> 
>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>> 
>>>> Oh, and mom?midlife crisis much?
>>>> 
>>>> I?ll give it another go, but i?m not very optimistic.
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> 
> Message: 30
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 13:30:50 -0600
> From: "Darla Rogers" <djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Actually,	I wondered where he had gone to get his
> 	guide dog as well.	They	just sort of skipped that detail.
> However,	it
> 	is a comedy and should probably be viewed as such
> Message-ID: <009001cf3196$ee614040$cb23c0c0$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Dear Jewel,
> 
> 	If you write to me at:
> 
> djrogers0628 at gmail.com
> 
> I do have a file; I am not sure how good it turned out,  as I didn't make
> it.
> 	All in all, I have s3een way, way worse, and just because they
> consult with people, doesn't mean they take their advice--I know--I lived in
> L.A. and my work place was often consulted about blind characters who were
> to be portrayed.
> Darla & Happy Huck
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jewel
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:21 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Actually, I wondered where he had gone to get his guide
> dog as well. They just sort of skipped that detail. However, it is a comedy
> and should probably be viewed as such
> 
> I imagine they understand the rivalry between schools and didn't want to
> start any arguments about that, so just left that out. Any chance I can
> watch this online? 
> Jewel 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> They also wouldn't show that as that would've taken more time and then
> they would've put the school in there, and it's not a big plot point for the
> show where he got the dog from anyway.  Sorry, meant to put that last part
> in my previous message.
>> Mike.
>>> On 2/24/2014 10:10 AM, Sherri Brun wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 31
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 12:37:01 -0700
> From: "melissa R green" <graduate56 at juno.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
> Message-ID: <2E9BA97FD2714ABFB4C789BBD2EA68C6 at HP30910210001>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> I saw Marsha's message as a message from the moderator.  I agree with 
> shannon.  Noone is protecting GDF.  BtW, if it matters, I am a GDf grad as 
> well.  If I had graduated from another school, I would have the same 
> thoughts and opinions.  Have a blessed day.
> Best,
> Melissa R Green and PJ
> Some people come into your life just to teach you how to let go.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Shannon Dyer" <solsticesinger at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 10:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
> 
> 
> I don't think Marsha or anyone else wants people to beg for a guide dog. 
> This list has rules, and has had them for as long as I've been a part of it.
> 
> It has nothing to do with Marsha being a GDF grad. I'm one too. I'm not 
> looking out for them, protecting them, or expecting people to keep their 
> opinions to themselves. I don't think Marsha is doing these things either.
> 
> Shannon and the Acelet
> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:44 AM, "Howard J. Levine" <WB2HWW at earthlink.net> 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Buddy from another ham operator, you where not nasty and you need to 
>> look
>> at where Marsha was coming from. She is looking out for GDF. You where 
>> just
>> to guys talking about a show. To GDF and other's it is about money and 
>> would
>> like us to be quite and say thank you so much for our dogs and keep our
>> opinions to our self.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 11:23 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>> 
>> I'm not sure what wasn't nice about my opinion. It wasn't funny, simple as
>> that.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:13 AM, Howard J. Levine <WB2HWW at earthlink.net> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Come on Marsha no one was nasty, did GDF call you. We have a right
>> to our opinion's and please don't hold blind people to higher stand then
>> sighted people. It is tv show and we can have opinion just like the rest 
>> of
>> the country. I understand that this show is being back byGDF and it is all
>> about money. WE as blind people have same rights rest of the country and
>> don't need to kiss as just so we can get a guide dog.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:47 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>> 
>>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not likethe
>> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>> 
>>> Marsha drenth
>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh.  I didn't get a
>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published 
>> about
>> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
>> points to say on the show.  SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>>> Mike.
>>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>> 
>>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this 
>> thing
>> for one wasn't funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Where did the guy's family think he went for a month? Or did he just
>> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
>> C'mon.
>>>>> 
>>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh, and mom.midlife crisis much?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll give it another go, but i'm not very optimistic.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 32
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 14:37:22 -0500
> From: "Howard J. Levine" <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
> Message-ID: <060f01cf3197$d758d6a0$860a83e0$@earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="utf-8"
> 
> I don't have a lot of money but I don't want to be under the gun and watch I
> say and how I handle my dog. The one who pay's for guide dog has control.
> Would I rather spend my money on other things yes.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla Rogers
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 2:29 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
> 
> Good points, Brandi; it seemed it cut off very quickly, so I'm going to have
> to re-view it to make sure I  didn't miss anything.
> 	Remember, pilots are just pilots; I am sure the creators are kicking
> themselves about things they would have3 done differently.
> 	At least, we aren't portrayed as helpless; t5he wife, so far as I
> can figure, didn't leave because husband went blind, and comedy is often a
> good way to educate people.  Remember all those cartoons in your textbooks?
> 	I'm glad Howard has the money to pay for a guide dog; many, many of
> us do not, and depending on how it is obtained and who trains, it could be a
> very expensive proposition.
> Darla & happy Huck
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brandy Pinder
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:21 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
> 
> I agree with mike. I did find it funny. I also saw some educational stuff in
> there. For instance explaining the dog doesn't quote see for you but guides
> you. Now they should of mentioned seeing eye is a name brand. Also, locking
> the dog in the pantry was meant to be funny and any parents can agree they
> do things like this to help there kids through something, would I do it that
> way maybe not but again it's a comedy. Does every one think that all black
> families are like the house of pain? I would of been mad if when he cut down
> the tree it hit the house, or when parking he hit a car. I had a boyfriend
> who let me drive twice when no one was on the road. I have seen blind
> parents who used to drive give their kids driving pointers. And lastly it
> was a pilot episode. If you look at the summary of the next episode it goes
> into detail. If this was a movie or reality show I would be more nit picky
> but it is a comedy. I think we should be happy they are trying to portray
> people who are blind. Is it perfect? Maybe not but if this keeps going maybe
> they will make more like it and actually use blind actors etc. The director
> consulted extensively with people who are blind in los Angeles as well as
> got extensive information and equipment from gdf not to mention he lived it.
> It's not like he pulled this out of thin air. If agencies go and protest it
> it and any other shows like it would disappear. Bottom line it is a comedy.
> If Tim the tool man Taylor was a normal home improvement guy would it be
> funny? 
> 
> brandy pinder
> Alumni Council -  second vice Chairman
> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc? and America's VetDogs?, The
> Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc? Providing "Second uSight"? since 1946
> 
> 371 E. Jericho Turnpike smith town ny 11766
> Cso: 866-282-8047
> Email: brandydp at verizon.net
> Cell: 304-685-4499
> 
>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> 
>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not likethe
> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>> 
>> Marsha drenth
>> Sent with my IPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh.  I didn't get a
> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published about
> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
> points to say on the show.  SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>> Mike.
>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>> 
>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this thing
> for one wasn?t funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>> 
>>>> Where did the guy?s family think he went for a month? Or did he just
> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>> 
>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>> 
>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
> C?mon.
>>>> 
>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>> 
>>>> Oh, and mom?midlife crisis much?
>>>> 
>>>> I?ll give it another go, but i?m not very optimistic.
>>>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 33
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 12:39:09 -0700
> From: "melissa R green" <graduate56 at juno.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
> Message-ID: <BB74E15504494A5B8ECB03EA5C5A02F8 at HP30910210001>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> It was done nicely.  I don't care for commedies much.  So I didn't watch the
> 
> intire show.  It could have been worse .
> Have a blessed day.
> Best,
> Melissa R Green and PJ
> Some people come into your life just to teach you how to let go.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Shannon Dyer" <solsticesinger at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 10:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
> 
> 
> I'm not a huge TV person, but I watched the first episode just to see what 
> it would be like. There were a few things I liked about it, but I disliked 
> most of it. Still, as many of you have said, it's a comedy. I'll probably 
> watch a few more episodes, just to see where they take it.
> 
> I did find it odd that it never told us what kind of dog Elvis is supposed 
> to be. It had good description, but did they just sort of forget to include 
> that part?
> 
> I didn't like the stuff about the dog eating human food either.
> 
> I thought the denial of access at the hotel was nicely dealt with.
> 
> Shannon and the Acelet
> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Brandy Pinder <bdpinder at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Howard and all all
>> Martia was speaking to the tone of mikes email. Honestly gdf didn't tell 
>> any grads about the show and I know gdui members who did not attend gdf 
>> who helped nbc with consultations as well as I'm sure nfb.  So gdf could 
>> care less if we like it or not. There will probably be gdf grads who hate 
>> it. We all have different senses of humor.  Smile
>> 
>> brandy pinder
>> Alumni Council -  second vice Chairman
>> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc?
>> and America's VetDogs?, The Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc?
>> Providing "Second uSight"? since 1946
>> 
>> 371 E. Jericho Turnpike smith town ny 11766
>> Cso: 866-282-8047
>> Email: brandydp at verizon.net
>> Cell: 304-685-4499
>> 
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:44 AM, "Howard J. Levine" <WB2HWW at earthlink.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Buddy from another ham operator, you where not nasty and you need to 
>>> look
>>> at where Marsha was coming from. She is looking out for GDF. You where 
>>> just
>>> to guys talking about a show. To GDF and other's it is about money and 
>>> would
>>> like us to be quite and say thank you so much for our dogs and keep our
>>> opinions to our self.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 11:23 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure what wasn't nice about my opinion. It wasn't funny, simple 
>>> as
>>> that.
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:13 AM, Howard J. Levine <WB2HWW at earthlink.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>  Come on Marsha no one was nasty, did GDF call you. We have a right
>>> to our opinion's and please don't hold blind people to higher stand then
>>> sighted people. It is tv show and we can have opinion just like the rest 
>>> of
>>> the country. I understand that this show is being back byGDF and it is 
>>> all
>>> about money. WE as blind people have same rights rest of the country and
>>> don't need to kiss as just so we can get a guide dog.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:47 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>>> 
>>>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not 
>>>> likethe
>>> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>>>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha drenth
>>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh.  I didn't get a
>>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published 
>>> about
>>> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
>>> points to say on the show.  SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>>>> Mike.
>>>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
>>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this 
>>> thing
>>> for one wasn't funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Where did the guy's family think he went for a month? Or did he just
>>> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
>>> C'mon.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Oh, and mom.midlife crisis much?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'll give it another go, but i'm not very optimistic.
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 34
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 12:41:47 -0700
> From: "melissa R green" <graduate56 at juno.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] New Dog and Changing the Nam was RE: Age of
> 	Qualifying	Guide Dogs
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> 
> My girl has lots of names for her.  She even knows the name that I give her 
> in public, when there is someone I don't want to know her name.  She waggs 
> her tail like yes, that is me.
> Have a blessed day.
> Best,
> Melissa R Green and PJ
> Some people come into your life just to teach you how to let go.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "sheila" <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 10:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] New Dog and Changing the Nam was RE: Age of Qualifying 
> Guide Dogs
> 
> 
> Tres is officially tres but he  is also tresdog, tresers, tresie.
> On 2/21/2014 9:21 PM, Darla Rogers wrote:
>> Hi Nicole,
>> 
>> I almost did once:  I had an N yellow Labrador names Nectar; then,
>> the next dog I get from the same school, was a yellow lab named Nuance.
>> While they do not  sound alike at all, my preference might have been for a
>> different breed or  different name.
>> I wasn't so sure about Huck either, but now I  can't imagine him
>> being anything but Huck or Huck the Puck or Huckleberry-Bee."
>> Darla
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole 
>> Torcolini
>> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 8:09 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: [nagdu] New Dog and Changing the Nam was RE: Age of Qualifying
>> Guide Dogs
>> 
>> Okay, so, JMHO, there are two things going on here. No, I am not really 
>> one
>> to talk as I am only on my first guide dog, but I think that you kind of
>> have to be over the loss of your last dog at least a little before you get
>> your next one. Every dog is different. You might ask for the same breed 
>> and
>> the same gender and the same personality and the same whatever else, but 
>> it
>> is a different dog, so you can't expect the dog to do the exact same thing
>> that the last dog did, especially right away.
>> Second, I don't like the idea of changing the name of your guide dog. 
>> Things
>> are confusing enough for the dogs when they are learning to work with 
>> their
>> new handlers, so the last thing that they need is a different name. One of
>> the few situations  in which I believe that changing the name of the dog 
>> is
>> warranted is if it isn't really a name or it's a name that, for whatever,
>> just does not work (e.g., you cannot pronounce it). In that case, you 
>> would
>> probably change the name a little later.
>> Someone I know received a dog named Power. No offense, but that is not a
>> name. The person renamed the dog Howard, which is different but not so
>> different that the dog would have a hard time adapting to it. Also, I do 
>> not
>> know when the person renamed the dog, but I imagine that it was not right
>> away.
>> 
>> Nicole and Lexia
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 5:26 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Age of Qualifying Guide Dogs
>> 
>> Hi Raven.
>> Oh, just you wait!  I bet there's not a retrain alive who hasn't called 
>> the
>> new dog by the old dog's name at least once.
>> When one of my classmates at TSE was having trouble with his new dog's 
>> name,
>> our trainer told him he couldn't go home until he remembered his dog's 
>> name!
>> 
>> I was much amused.
>> Sometimes I entertain myself by thinking of possible dog names.  I've
>> decided the best of them is Um, since, after 6 dogs, Um is the first thing
>> that comes to mind as I mentally run through the list to get to the right
>> name.
>> 
>> Also, though I try to not rush my new dogs, I do have to go to work and
>> commute. I've already taken at least 3 weeks off; taking another is out of
>> the question.  I probably wouldn't go out to dinner and a show after work,
>> at least for a couple weeks, but I do have things that need to get done.
>> Tracy
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Raven Tolliver" <ravend729 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 3:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Age of Qualifying Guide Dogs
>> 
>> 
>> Um, no. It was not all work-related. It was just a guy who likes to go out
>> and stay out a lot. Restaurants, stops at numerous stores, subway stations
>> and so on. I think it was just too much all at once. He also might have 
>> been
>> very hard on him expecting his dog to find things and show him things the
>> way his previous dog did. Too, this guy retired his former guide on Friday
>> and received the replacement the next Wednesday, so there were a few 
>> things
>> at play there. He would call his new boy by his old guide's name. And he
>> would constantly reminisce about his former guide. That's understandable,
>> but I think it played a role in that dog stressing out.
>> 
>> On 2/20/14, Darla Rogers <djrogers0628 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Dear Julie and Raven,
>>> 
>>> Most schools, if memory serves, do tell you that; sometimes, you have
>>> to return to work, but it sounds like the person you refer to here
>>> could have added activities gradually.
>>> If they were all work-related, I don't know what to say.
>>> Darla & Huck
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven
>>> Tolliver
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 11:50 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Age of Qualifying Guide Dogs
>>> 
>>> Julie,
>>> I like your idea of easing a dog into fulltime work. I think it's an
>>> unconventional, but rather practical and sensible concept. Many guide
>>> dogs, no matter the age, are not afforded that opportunity. They just
>>> go from working for an hour or 2 each day to working fulltime and I'm
>>> sure that contributes to some of the stress on both dog and handler.
>>> I know of a New Yorker who got a dog. They seemed well-match. This guy
>>> was constantly on the go, and he received an adorable ball of energy.
>>> After he got home, I guess he asked way too much of his dog. It seemed
>>> that he wanted to resume the fast-paced, here there and everywhere
>>> lifestyle he'd had before without taking time and consideration to
>>> acclimate his dog to his home, familiar routes, lifestyle, and
>>> routine. The dog stressed out and started ignoring cues while working.
>>> The dog was returned, and fortunately placed with someone else a
>>> couple months later. But it was a great lesson to this guy to ease his
>>> dog into such a rigorous work routine.
>>> Being an energetic dog on the go is fine, but being an energetic dog
>>> on the go, and working is a different thing, and it wears on a dog.
>>> And it's a lot to expect so immediately for some dogs.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2/20/14, Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>> Hi, Julie,
>>>> 
>>>> That's great!  I think it is an itneresting concept!  *smiles*  Good
>>>> on
>>> ya!
>>>> Daryl
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Julie J. <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 09:51:12 -0700 (MST)
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Age of Qualifying Guide Dogs
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, you have it exactly right!  Monty is my current guide, who I
>>>> owner trained.  I also owner trained my previous guides.  I have
>>>> never attended a program.  My next guide, Jetta, I plan on picking up
>>>> from the trainer this fall.  when exactly depends on when she is
>>>> ready, when I can find a driver and the weather.  I'm in Nebraska and
>>>> the trainer
>>> is in Wisconsin.
>>>> Jetta is a Doberman.  I purchased her from a breeder here in Nebraska.
>>>> I brought her home when she was 8 weeks old.  she stayed with me for
>>>> about 10 days.  she was an adorable puppy!  She has been with the
>>>> trainer
>>> ever since.
>>>> Meghan Whalen is the trainer.  she is also a member of this list.
>>>> She is blind and has owner trained one guide dog, raised several
>>>> puppies, and has trained several guide/service dogs.
>>>> 
>>>> Owner training isn't particularly difficult, but it is incredibly
>>>> time consuming.  It requires a lot of planning and a daily commitment
>>>> to doing the work.  I'm at a place in my life where I have other
>>>> things I'd rather be doing, so I went with a trainer this time.  I'm
>>>> very picky about what I want in a guide and none of the current
>>>> programs offer exactly what I want.  My list of must have's includes
>>>> full ownership with no strings attached, my breed of choice, clicker
>>>> training,
>>> use of food rewards and  premium foods.
>>>> I'm also very excited about picking out my own puppy, getting updates
>>>> throughout the process, deciding what and how I want my dog trained,
>>>> off leash manners, knowing the puppy raiser/trainer, minimal moves
>>>> between homes, no kennel environment and the ability to see my puppy
>>>> if I
>>> choose.
>>>> I'm about 6 months into the process.  So far I'm very, extremely 
>>>> pleased.
>>>> I do miss Jetta and wish I lived closer so I could visit more often,
>>>> but I have no desire to actually do the training myself.  It's been
>>>> five years since I trained Monty, but I still vividly remember how
>>>> much
>>> work it is.
>>>> This has been the perfect solution for me.
>>>> 
>>>> Julie
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Daryl Marie
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 10:28 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Age of Qualifying Guide Dogs
>>>> 
>>>> Julie, I've come late to the party... can you explain a little about
>>>> what you are doing?  Looks like, from what I have read, Monty was an
>>>> owner-trained guide dog and Jetta is being trained by a trainer
>>>> somewhere? I am curious.
>>>> 
>>>> Daryl
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Julie J. <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 09:17:07 -0700 (MST)
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Age of Qualifying Guide Dogs
>>>> 
>>>> This topic has been very interesting to me.  My current plan is that
>>>> Jetta will come back to me at about 16 months old.  she will be fully
>>> trained at
>>>> that point.   I have always planned to work both Jetta and Monty part
>>> time,
>>>> switching back and forth, so Jetta can ease into guiding and Monty
>>>> can ease into retirement.  We'll see how that works out.
>>>> 
>>>> Jetta is 8 months old right now and she doesn't have any of the bad
>>>> manners described of young dogs.  She doesn't resource guard, mouth
>>>> people, pull on leash or chew up stuff.  Perhaps she hasn't come into
>>>> true adolescence yet and she'll go crazy doing all sorts of bad
>>>> stuff, but
>>> I kind of doubt it.
>>>> I'm sure she will do some of the testing and asserting her ideas in
>>>> the next few months.  Honestly though, I am pretty confident that
>>>> she'll be ready at a young age.  She has never been a crazy, out of
>>>> control puppy and I don't see why that won't continue.
>>>> 
>>>> I do realize that no matter how nice her behavior and manners are,
>>>> there is physical and mental development that doesn't occur until
>>>> later.  I'll need to be mindful of that and not ask her to do more
>>>> than
>>> she can.
>>>> Perhaps being an owner trainer and now having Jetta privately trained
>>>> is a different situation from the discussion here.  I don't know.
>>>> All of my dogs have eased into the role of guiding.  There has not
>>>> been an abrupt change from being trained to being totally responsible
>>>> for guiding.  I have done that transition gradually.  I let the dog
>>>> guide when he can and train in situations he isn't ready to navigate.
>>>> It sounds complicated, but really it doesn't require much thought.
>>>> You know what your dog can do and what he can't.
>>>> 
>>>> Jetta will be different, of course.  Still I'm used to working young
>>>> dogs in limited situations and letting them get their sea legs, so to
>>> speak.
>>>> Perhaps if I lived in a big city or traveled a ton or had other more
>>>> high intensity lifestyle, then an older dog would be the way to go.
>>>> I don't know.
>>>> 
>>>> Julie
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Raven Tolliver
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:58 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Age of Qualifying Guide Dogs
>>>> 
>>>> 15 months? Whoa! That is playing with fire.
>>>> When I made the assembly line reference, I was referring to the way
>>>> guide dogs themselves are evaluated and trained at certain schools.
>>>> It is more an assembly line for the dogs than the people. The
>>>> matching process at any place better be as meticulous as possible. I
>>>> would expect that from the worst schools.
>>>> I guess I am very sensitive to the age issue because I deal with
>>>> adolescent and adult dogs of multiple breeds on a regular basis. I've
>>>> seen firsthand the difference 6 months can make.
>>>> I am also passionate about this issue, because I am hearing what I
>>>> call horror stories about these young dogs being sent home with
>>>> people. Resource guarding, mouthiness, unnecessary retrieving,
>>>> horrible leash manners, and flat out refusal to work some days and
>>>> then eagerness to work others. Schools telling people their dogs will
>>>> "grow out of it." Well, I sure hope so! It's just too bad they
>>>> couldn't wait till the dog was well-refined before they handed it
>>>> over.
>>>> I'm not sure how new or traditional this is, schools putting out dogs
>>>> so young, but I know that in other countries, schools don't dream of
>>>> issuing adolescent dogs, and other assistance dog programs don't
>>>> either, and for a multitude of good reasons. I think the economy
>>>> might have something to do with this. Just maybe? The earlier you put
>>>> dogs out, the less money you have to spend providing for them,
>>>> especially when you have a large breeding stock, number of litters or
>>>> gdits on the docket.
>>>> This is not to bash any school or to undermine the relationship or
>>>> stability of any of the little ones working out there. However, the
>>>> differences in age are quiet noticeable, and the consensus is out.
>>>> Some programs and trainers choose to ignore that, and they are doing
>>>> a number of dogs and handlers a great disservice. Not everyone, but a
>>>> great number, for sure.
>>>> 
>>>> On 2/20/14, Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>> oh, Jenny is a wiggler!  My husband has nicknamed her "wiggles".  I
>>>>> don't mind so much if she's out of harness and old friends come and
>>>>> say hi.  But when she meets new people, I always remind her "manners"
>>>>> and it seems to calm her down. it's cute!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Daryl
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Deanna Lewis <DLewis at clovernook.org>
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 07:37:09 -0700 (MST)
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Age of Qualifying Guide Dogs
>>>>> 
>>>>> Pascal was 19 months old when I received him in 2009, and he was one
>>>>> of the youngest dogs in our class. Most of the other dogs were about
>>>>> 22 months old.
>>>>> He has always been very mature, and very well behaved. He didn't
>>>>> want to lie down on floors or get underneath tables, for the first
>>>>> few months. And, he seemed to mature at lot once he hit 3 years old.
>>>>> He has never been one of those wiggly labs, you know the ones who
>>>>> get so excited their whole body wiggles! LOL One of my co-workers
>>>>> just got a dog that is only 15 months old. She is very puppy like!
>>>>> Deanna and Pascal
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sherry
>>>>> Gomes
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 5:37 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Age of Qualifying Guide Dogs
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think the same could apply to labs. My current guide is a reissue,
>>>>> so she was three when we trained together. what a difference! I
>>>>> don't want my next guide to be 18 months old as so many are when
>>>>> graduating. Two years old is the youngest I'd want and I'd jump to
>>>>> have a reissue again. Though having said that, Bianca, who was about
>>>>> 2 when we trained and is 13 now is still young at heart and full of
>>>>> spirit and a sort of happy puppy mentality.
>>>>> Olga,
>>>>> my working guide is 8 and has a very old soul. I'm sure she was
>>>>> always that way even when she was a baby.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tami
>>>>> Jarvis
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 12:01 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Age of Qualifying Guide Dogs
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ooh! Research! Poodles are said to mature later, both physically and
>>>>> mentally, and I did find that with mine. She really came into her
>>>>> own between 3 and 4. Then again, I've heard of a few people getting
>>>>> really young poodles that seem to work out well. Okay. Off to read.
>>>>> /smile/
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tami
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 02/19/2014 10:22 AM, "Leye-Shprintse ?berg" wrote:
>>>>>> BS"D
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Raven,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> * "... I did some research and found a study on Seeing Eye dogs
>>>>>> that
>>>>> concluded that goldens and GSds are more successful as guide dogs if
>>>>> they're formal guide training is longer than the standard 4 months.
>>>>> This is because these dogs mature around age 2, not 1.5 or 1.75
>>>>> years, which is when many schools seem to be pushing dogs through.
>>>>> Here's the link to the abstract.
>>>>> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1558787806000256 
>>>>> ..."
>>>>>> I think this is very interesting. I know that SRF:s
>>>>>> Ledarhundsverksamhet
>>>>> (Guide Dogs Sweden) took the decision that the dogs needed to be
>>>>> between the age of 2 and 3 years when they did the qualifying test
>>>>> some years ago. The dogs here generally get around seven months of
>>>>> training by a guide dog trainer. Anyhow, they think this has led to
>>>>> more stable partnerships; I've any statestics tough.
>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>> Leye-Shprintse and Hera <3
>>>>>> 
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