[nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
Darla Rogers
djrogers0628 at gmail.com
Wed Feb 26 00:10:00 UTC 2014
Hi Jenine,
Because of that--we both do it--my husband won't have a coffee table
on the premises. <grin>
Darla & Happy Huck
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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenine Stanley
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 5:28 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
Oh Steve, I'm smiling.
The thing I laughed at most in the show was when Mel kept banging into the
coffee table. If I had a dime for every time I do that, knowing perfectly
well where it is.
Jenine Stanley
jeninems at wowway.com
http://www.twitter.com/jeninems
On Feb 25, 2014, at 6:13 PM, Steven Johnson <blinddog3 at charter.net> wrote:
> Jenine,
> Thank you so much for this post...finally someone who makes sense.
> Robinhood: Men in Tights, one of my favorites, and blinkin used to be my
> email address! I believe that one of the lines used was Ay Blinkin, thus
> someone else responding, Where's Abe Lincoln? And reading the braille
> playboy on the toilet...classic! Back to the topic of dog guides, as I
will
> be shamed if I don't. It was interesting to see how the the use of proper
> dog guide terminology was indeed used, and when he called the Guide Dog
> Foundation when his dog was lost was the first insight as to the
connection
> to a formal training program. I honestly laughed out loud at some of the
> things, but then again, do the same with myself with similar things I do.
I
> will be watching tonight:)
>
> Steve & Bennett
>
> Thanks for your post as this is exactly what I have been posting on other
> sites and on facebook. I too have cut down trees, continue to shoot guns
> and hunt, have gone solo on a snowmobile, and yes, even fed my dog things
> that maybe I shouldn't have...maybe some beer? Regardless,
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenine Stanley
> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 4:14 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>
> Thank you so much, Carl for this post.
>
> I've been reading everyone's reactions to the show with great interest.
>
> Carl's post should be kept read prior to critiques.
>
> It's info if you don't like the show and don't find it funny.Everyone has
> different levels of humor. It's not a knock-down funny show. It's more a
> warm show with some good dialog.
>
> One thing people need to know and review is that DJ Nash conceived of this
> show and states in one of his interview that it's not a show about every
> blind person's experience but about his family's experience as they grew
> through a divorce.
>
> The interviews with Mr. Nash can be found on the GDf site,
www.guidedog.org,
> if you care to listen.
>
> Appartnely his father is a larger than life figure and maybe at some point
> his contrast to other blind people can be shown if that's something he
even
> recognized and shared with his son.
>
> Truth
> here. My dog has escaped out the front door, just Sunday in fact, the
first
> time he did so though.
>
> My dog has been treated to teak, a carrot carved to look like a dog bone
by
> the adoring staff at Wolfgang Puck's restaurant in the MGM Grand, and
during
> the holiday season of 2012, I had an overnight layover. My large suitcase
> containing dog food was trapped in the luggage jail at BWI. There was no
dog
> food in the smaller carry-on bag. My bad. I had to ask the hotel for a
> hamburger, plain, for Swap, who ate it happily.
>
> I've cut down trees with my husband. He has some remaining vision but it
> took two of us to keep the direction straight and away from the house. We
do
> the same with branches that need cutting. I don't do chain saws.
>
> I do own a firearm though and will, as soon as my eye surgery heals, go
take
> a class in its use.
>
> As for GDF and Growing Up Fisher, yes we are the school mentioned and yes
> this person got his first dog from us. I don't know much more about him
than
> that and that he's not a current grad.We are proud to be part of the
show's
> consulting team along with the local guide dog handlers in LA whom they
also
> use as consultants. The harness is ours. The dog is an actor, not a
trained
> guide.
>
> Finally,on what's funny for our community: this varies so much. Anyone
> remember a movie called Men In Tights, with Mel Brooks and his team of
> actors? there was a character in it called Blinky, oh wait, Sir Blinken.
He
> was, yes,a blind knight and did things like dueling with a flexible pole
> until he'd chopped it down. He would give the audience these subtle winks
> though when doing these blind things to let us know that he wasn't that
> stupid. My roommate at the time picked up on these and since she was doing
> the audio description for me when we rented the movie, we had a great time
> emulating sir Blinken.
>
> We seem to want all blind people to be able to do everything well,
correctly
> and without ranker. We want all guide dogs to be perfect and every
> interaction to be politically correct, yet some of the stories we tell to
> each other publicly and privately at convention are either things no one
> outside of our community would find funny, or things that if they appeared
> on a TV show, we'd be complaining about. Look how the blind community
turned
> on Al rizzi over his handler of the US air fiasco. Well, granted it was
one
> segment but many people went right to judgement and why did he do X, Y or
Z?
>
>
> I think we have to watch this show, if we decided to do so, knowing that
> this is one man's way of handling things, including his dog, and be honest
> with ourselves that we h
> haven't done similar things in similar situations.
>
> I was in for eye surgery yesterday and several of the staff, once hearing
> about my job, knew the school from the show. They all liked the show and
had
> a million questions, so it was a good series of teachable moments. If
> nothing else comes of this show, then we get those moments, just like when
> the blind chef won that cooking show competition. People were fascinated
by
> it and once we explained how Kent cooks for us, he became the go to guy
for
> recipes. He doesn't cook via recipe though. Ha! Has nothing to do with
being
> blind.If you follow me on Facebook you will see some of his creations.
>
> So, let's keep watching and try not to pick the show apart as I advised
the
> show folks we as a community are want to do. It was the only time I as a
GDF
> staff person I was asked to give advice but hey, hopefully I headed off
some
> people's disappointment. :)
> Jenine Stanley
> jeninems at wowway.com
>
> http://www.twitter.com/jeninems
>
> On Feb 24, 2014, at 4:25 PM, Karl W Mundstock <karl8422 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Something people need to understand about the Typical TV Watcher circa
> 2014:
>> 1) They watch TV to be entertained, not to learn. TV is an entertainment.
>> 2) Programs must be geared to draw the maximum number of eyes and ears.
> Some
>> real-world accuracy is going to go out the window because of this.
>> 3) More eyes and ears means more ad dollars. See number 2.
>> 4) Most people don't know, don't care or don't care to know that "Seeing
>> Eye" is a brand, as long as they get a laugh.
>> 5) Most people couldn't spell "Labrador Retriever" if you held a gun to
>> their head, cocked the hammer and started counting down from 10.
>> 6) Any writer, producer or actor portraying a segment of the population
> with
>> the potential to rise up in anger over said portrayal must be extra
>> sensitive to even the slightest perceived offence lest the easily
offended
>> run screaming to Clicktivism Central to sign that modern exercise in
>> futility, the online petition, to air their exaggerated grievances.
>> 7) That anything even remotely educational appears to have come out of
> this
>> show seems to me a small miracle.
>> 8) No I don't have a TV, don't want a TV and don't plan on watching this
> or
>> any other TV show.
>> 9) I am not defending the show, merely pointing out that when it comes to
>> our entertainment we expect way too much of the viewing public. And no,
> I'm
>> not speaking up simply because one of the advisors for the show happens
to
>> work at the school where I got my guide. Which leads me to my last
> point...
>> 10) Any "rivalry" I have witnessed between guide dog schools seems to
have
>> been propagated not by the schools themselves but by their graduates
> railing
>> on about this or that training methodology in typical "mine's better than
>> yours, neener neener neener" schoolyard fashion. I have spoken with so
> many
>> instructors, trainers and administrators who have worked at multiple
> schools
>> that I understand that most of the folks have worked for at least three
of
>> these schools throughout their careers, maybe more. If anyone working at
>> these schools has said anything disparaging about another school, I
expect
>> it's been said in private. My personal attitude is and always has been
> that
>> the more choices a potential handler has when contemplating taking on a
>> guide dog, the better. The graduates of these schools owe it to the Guide
>> Dog Movement and future handlers to show the same sense of diplomacy,
>> whatever their personal gripes may be.
>>
>> Addendum: It's just TV. It's not Shakespeare.
>>
>> Respect.
>> Karl and Tucker, dropping the mic and taking a nap.
>>
>>
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>> Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1. Growing Up Fisher (Buddy Brannan)
>> 2. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Mike)
>> 3. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Marsha Drenth)
>> 4. Actually, I wondered where he had gone to get his guide dog
>> as well. They just sort of skipped that detail. However, it
>> is a
>> comedy and should probably be viewed as such (Sherri Brun)
>> 5. Re: Actually, I wondered where he had gone to get his guide
>> dog as well. They just sort of skipped that detail. However, it
>> is a comedy and should probably be viewed as such (Mike)
>> 6. Re: Actually, I wondered where he had gone to get his guide
>> dog as well. They just sort of skipped that detail. However, it
>> is a comedy and should probably be viewed as such (Mike)
>> 7. Re: Actually, I wondered where he had gone to get his guide
>> dog as well. They just sort of skipped that detail. However,
> it
>> is a comedy and should probably be viewed as such (Jewel)
>> 8. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Brandy Pinder)
>> 9. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Mike)
>> 10. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Aleeha Dudley)
>> 11. Re: Growing Up Fisher (af032010 at gmail.com)
>> 12. Re: New dog and changing name was Re:Age of qualifyingguide
>> dogs (Tracy Carcione)
>> 13. Re: New dog and changing name was Re:Age of qualifyingguide
>> dogs (Craig Heaps)
>> 14. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Howard J. Levine)
>> 15. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Mike)
>> 16. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Buddy Brannan)
>> 17. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Howard J. Levine)
>> 18. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Howard J. Levine)
>> 19. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Brandy Pinder)
>> 20. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Shannon Dyer)
>> 21. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Larry D. Keeler)
>> 22. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Shannon Dyer)
>> 23. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Buddy Brannan)
>> 24. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Buddy Brannan)
>> 25. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Shannon Dyer)
>> 26. Re: Growing Up Fisher (craig.heaps at comcast.net)
>> 27. Re: Actually, I wondered where he had gone to get his guide
>> dog as well. They just sort of skipped that detail. However,
> it
>> is a comedy and should probably be viewed as such (Buddy Brannan)
>> 28. Re: Actually, I wondered where he had gone to get his guide
>> dog as well. They just sort of skipped that detail. However,
>> it
>> is a comedy and should probably be viewed as such (Howard J. Levine)
>> 29. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Darla Rogers)
>> 30. Re: Actually, I wondered where he had gone to get his guide
>> dog as well. They just sort of skipped that detail. However,
>> it
>> is a comedy and should probably be viewed as such (Darla Rogers)
>> 31. Re: Growing Up Fisher (melissa R green)
>> 32. Re: Growing Up Fisher (Howard J. Levine)
>> 33. Re: Growing Up Fisher (melissa R green)
>> 34. Re: New Dog and Changing the Nam was RE: Age of Qualifying
>> Guide Dogs (melissa R green)
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 07:52:29 -0500
>> From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>> Message-ID: <58D7AE62-7BFB-4717-A48F-B2470E309DAD at brannan.name>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>
>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>
>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
> eventually.
>> For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this thing for one
>> wasn?t funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>
>> Where did the guy?s family think he went for a month? Or did he just pick
> up
>> a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>
>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>
>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
> C?mon.
>>
>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>
>> Oh, and mom?midlife crisis much?
>>
>> I?ll give it another go, but i?m not very optimistic.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 09:41:46 -0500
>> From: Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>> Message-ID: <530B5A2A.60505 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>
>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh. I didn't get a
>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published
>> about it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot
>> of good points to say on the show. SO I think I'll take them over you.
>> Mike.
>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>
>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this
> thing
>> for one wasn?t funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>
>>> Where did the guy?s family think he went for a month? Or did he just
pick
>> up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>
>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>
>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
>> C?mon.
>>>
>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>
>>> Oh, and mom?midlife crisis much?
>>>
>>> I?ll give it another go, but i?m not very optimistic.
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 09:47:26 -0500
>> From: Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>> Message-ID: <A383AC89-7D21-41AF-BFBB-73CC68D5A727 at gmail.com>
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>>
>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not likethe
>> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>
>> Marsha drenth
>> Sent with my IPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh. I didn't get a
>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published
> about
>> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
>> points to say on the show. SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>> Mike.
>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>
>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this
> thing
>> for one wasn?t funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>
>>>> Where did the guy?s family think he went for a month? Or did he just
> pick
>> up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>
>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>
>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
>> C?mon.
>>>>
>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, and mom?midlife crisis much?
>>>>
>>>> I?ll give it another go, but i?m not very optimistic.
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:10:19 -0500
>> From: Sherri Brun <flmom2006 at gmail.com>
>> To: "nagdu at nfbnet.org" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nagdu] Actually, I wondered where he had gone to get his
>> guide dog as well. They just sort of skipped that detail. However,
>> it
>> is a comedy and should probably be viewed as such
>> Message-ID: <5E8CA47B-7ABC-4E1E-95A0-B30F7F2C30F2 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:11:45 -0500
>> From: Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Actually, I wondered where he had gone to get his
>> guide dog as well. They just sort of skipped that detail. However,
>> it
>> is a comedy and should probably be viewed as such
>> Message-ID: <530B6131.60801 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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>> Just letting you know, you wrote that all in the subject field. :)
>> Mike.
>> On 2/24/2014 10:10 AM, Sherri Brun wrote:
>>>
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>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:14:06 -0500
>> From: Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Actually, I wondered where he had gone to get his
>> guide dog as well. They just sort of skipped that detail. However,
>> it
>> is a comedy and should probably be viewed as such
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>> They also wouldn't show that as that would've taken more time and then
>> they would've put the school in there, and it's not a big plot point for
>> the show where he got the dog from anyway. Sorry, meant to put that
>> last part in my previous message.
>> Mike.
>> On 2/24/2014 10:10 AM, Sherri Brun wrote:
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:21:13 -0500
>> From: Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Actually, I wondered where he had gone to get
> his
>> guide dog as well. They just sort of skipped that detail. However,
>> it
>> is a comedy and should probably be viewed as such
>> Message-ID: <73C9C72C-C42E-4A90-B07B-0A7799B1004F at gmail.com>
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>> I imagine they understand the rivalry between schools and didn't want to
>> start any arguments about that, so just left that out. Any chance I can
>> watch this online?
>> Jewel
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> They also wouldn't show that as that would've taken more time and then
>> they would've put the school in there, and it's not a big plot point for
> the
>> show where he got the dog from anyway. Sorry, meant to put that last
part
>> in my previous message.
>>> Mike.
>>>> On 2/24/2014 10:10 AM, Sherri Brun wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:21:26 -0500
>> From: Brandy Pinder <bdpinder at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
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>> I agree with mike. I did find it funny. I also saw some educational stuff
> in
>> there. For instance explaining the dog doesn't quote see for you but
> guides
>> you. Now they should of mentioned seeing eye is a name brand. Also,
> locking
>> the dog in the pantry was meant to be funny and any parents can agree
they
>> do things like this to help there kids through something, would I do it
> that
>> way maybe not but again it's a comedy. Does every one think that all
black
>> families are like the house of pain? I would of been mad if when he cut
> down
>> the tree it hit the house, or when parking he hit a car. I had a
boyfriend
>> who let me drive twice when no one was on the road. I have seen blind
>> parents who used to drive give their kids driving pointers. And lastly it
>> was a pilot episode. If you look at the summary of the next episode it
> goes
>> into detail. If this was a movie or reality show I would be more nit
picky
>> but it is a comedy. I think we should be happy they are trying to portray
>> people who are blind. Is it perfect? Maybe not but if this keeps going
> maybe
>> they will make more like it and actually use blind actors etc. The
> director
>> consulted extensively with people who are blind in los Angeles as well as
>> got extensive information and equipment from gdf not to mention he lived
> it.
>> It's not like he pulled this out of thin air. If agencies go and protest
> it
>> it and any other shows like it would disappear. Bottom line it is a
> comedy.
>> If Tim the tool man Taylor was a normal home improvement guy would it be
>> funny?
>>
>> brandy pinder
>> Alumni Council - second vice Chairman
>> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc?
>> and America's VetDogs?, The Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc?
>> Providing "Second uSight"? since 1946
>>
>> 371 E. Jericho Turnpike smith town ny 11766
>> Cso: 866-282-8047
>> Email: brandydp at verizon.net
>> Cell: 304-685-4499
>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not
likethe
>> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>>
>>> Marsha drenth
>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>
>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh. I didn't get a
>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published
> about
>> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
>> points to say on the show. SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>>> Mike.
>>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>>
>>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this
> thing
>> for one wasn?t funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>>
>>>>> Where did the guy?s family think he went for a month? Or did he just
>> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>>
>>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>>
>>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
>> C?mon.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, and mom?midlife crisis much?
>>>>>
>>>>> I?ll give it another go, but i?m not very optimistic.
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:27:02 -0500
>> From: Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
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>>
>> I just really found it amazing that the NFB even was like yes, it's
>> good. Yeah their are some some wrong things in here, but hey. It's a
>> comedy and it did a great job. It's only the pilot episode. They were
>> the ones who I thought would bash it all to crap. Apparently I was
>> wrong. I'm watching it now and am so far really enjoying it. As for
>> watching it online, unless NBC has it up on their site for those who
>> want to watch it without description, I'm not sure where you could get
>> it from.
>> Mike.
>>
>> On 2/24/2014 10:21 AM, Brandy Pinder wrote:
>>> I agree with mike. I did find it funny. I also saw some educational
stuff
>> in there. For instance explaining the dog doesn't quote see for you but
>> guides you. Now they should of mentioned seeing eye is a name brand.
Also,
>> locking the dog in the pantry was meant to be funny and any parents can
>> agree they do things like this to help there kids through something,
would
> I
>> do it that way maybe not but again it's a comedy. Does every one think
> that
>> all black families are like the house of pain? I would of been mad if
when
>> he cut down the tree it hit the house, or when parking he hit a car. I
had
> a
>> boyfriend who let me drive twice when no one was on the road. I have seen
>> blind parents who used to drive give their kids driving pointers. And
> lastly
>> it was a pilot episode. If you look at the summary of the next episode it
>> goes into detail. If this was a movie or reality show I would be more nit
>> picky but it is a comedy. I think we should be happy they are trying to
>> portray people who are blind. Is it perfect? Maybe not but if this keeps
>> going maybe they will make more like it and actually use blind actors
etc.
>> The director consulted extensively with people who are blind in los
> Angeles
>> as well as got extensive information and equipment from gdf not to
mention
>> he lived it. It's not like he pulled this out of thin air. If agencies go
>> and protest it it and any other shows like it would disappear. Bottom
line
>> it is a comedy. If Tim the tool man Taylor was a normal home improvement
> guy
>> would it be funny?
>>>
>>> brandy pinder
>>> Alumni Council - second vice Chairman
>>> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc?
>>> and America's VetDogs?, The Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc?
>>> Providing "Second uSight"? since 1946
>>>
>>> 371 E. Jericho Turnpike smith town ny 11766
>>> Cso: 866-282-8047
>>> Email: brandydp at verizon.net
>>> Cell: 304-685-4499
>>>
>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not
> likethe
>> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>>>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>>>
>>>> Marsha drenth
>>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh. I didn't get a
>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published
> about
>> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
>> points to say on the show. SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>>>> Mike.
>>>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this
> thing
>> for one wasn?t funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where did the guy?s family think he went for a month? Or did he just
>> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
>> C?mon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, and mom?midlife crisis much?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I?ll give it another go, but i?m not very optimistic.
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:29:29 -0500
>> From: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>> Message-ID:
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>>
>> NBC should have it on their site. Hulu has it and the show is free
>> right now because it's publicly available elsewhere.
>>
>> On 2/24/14, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I just really found it amazing that the NFB even was like yes, it's
>>> good. Yeah their are some some wrong things in here, but hey. It's a
>>> comedy and it did a great job. It's only the pilot episode. They were
>>> the ones who I thought would bash it all to crap. Apparently I was
>>> wrong. I'm watching it now and am so far really enjoying it. As for
>>> watching it online, unless NBC has it up on their site for those who
>>> want to watch it without description, I'm not sure where you could get
>>> it from.
>>> Mike.
>>>
>>> On 2/24/2014 10:21 AM, Brandy Pinder wrote:
>>>> I agree with mike. I did find it funny. I also saw some educational
> stuff
>>>> in there. For instance explaining the dog doesn't quote see for you but
>>>> guides you. Now they should of mentioned seeing eye is a name brand.
>> Also,
>>>> locking the dog in the pantry was meant to be funny and any parents can
>>>> agree they do things like this to help there kids through something,
>> would
>>>> I do it that way maybe not but again it's a comedy. Does every one
think
>>>> that all black families are like the house of pain? I would of been mad
>> if
>>>> when he cut down the tree it hit the house, or when parking he hit a
> car.
>>>> I had a boyfriend who let me drive twice when no one was on the road. I
>>>> have seen blind parents who used to drive give their kids driving
>>>> pointers. And lastly it was a pilot episode. If you look at the summary
>> of
>>>> the next episode it goes into detail. If this was a movie or reality
> show
>>>> I would be more nit picky but it is a comedy. I think we should be
happy
>>>> they are trying to portray people who are blind. Is it perfect? Maybe
> not
>>>> but if this keeps going maybe they will make more like it and actually
>> use
>>>> blind actors etc. The director consulted extensively with people who
are
>>>> blind in los Angeles as well as got extensive information and equipment
>>>> from gdf not to mention he lived it. It's not like he pulled this out
of
>>>> thin air. If agencies go and protest it it and any other shows like it
>>>> would disappear. Bottom line it is a comedy. If Tim the tool man Taylor
>>>> was a normal home improvement guy would it be funny?
>>>>
>>>> brandy pinder
>>>> Alumni Council - second vice Chairman
>>>> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc(R)
>>>> and America's VetDogs(R), The Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc(R)
>>>> Providing "Second uSight"(R) since 1946
>>>>
>>>> 371 E. Jericho Turnpike smith town ny 11766
>>>> Cso: 866-282-8047
>>>> Email: brandydp at verizon.net
>>>> Cell: 304-685-4499
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not
>> likethe
>>>>> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>>>>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>>>>
>>>>> Marsha drenth
>>>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh. I didn't get
a
>>>>>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published
>>>>>> about it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a
lot
>>>>>> of good points to say on the show. SO I think I'll take them over
> you.
>>>>>> Mike.
>>>>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
>>>>>>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no,
this
>>>>>>> thing for one wasn't funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where did the guy's family think he went for a month? Or did he just
>>>>>>> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
>>>>>>> C'mon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, and mom...midlife crisis much?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll give it another go, but i'm not very optimistic.
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:36:11 -0500
>> From: af032010 at gmail.com
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>> Message-ID: <0079F340-5831-4B9C-AEC4-974BF437A234 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> I found the show very nice. It is different from the shows we have today.
>> :-)
>> Amanda
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh. I didn't get a
>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published
> about
>> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
>> points to say on the show. SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>> Mike.
>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>
>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this
> thing
>> for one wasn?t funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>
>>>> Where did the guy?s family think he went for a month? Or did he just
> pick
>> up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>
>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>
>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
>> C?mon.
>>>>
>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, and mom?midlife crisis much?
>>>>
>>>> I?ll give it another go, but i?m not very optimistic.
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:56:44 -0500
>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] New dog and changing name was Re:Age of
>> qualifyingguide dogs
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>>
>> Thanks Mardi. That sounds like a good method. I always thought the new
>> dog name would need to sound quite similar to the old one, but I see
>> that's not necessarily so.
>>
>> I toyed with changing my dog Amba's name to Amber, but it did not suit
>> her. I later found out that Amba is one of the Hindu names for the
Mother
>> Goddess, and thus suited Amba absolutely.
>>
>> GDB used to have a real thing for food names. I swear everyone in the
>> puppy department must have been on a diet! Waffles was one I remember.
>> I'd sure have changed that!
>>
>> It's hard enough to get strangers to treat me as an adult to be taken
>> seriously. IMO, having a dog with a silly name would make that task
>> harder.
>> Tracy
>>
>>> I like the method that you use. I was going to suggest something like
>>> that,
>>> but decided not to since I have never actually had to change the name of
> a
>>> dog. As far as names themselves, it is sometimes absolutely ridiculous
>>> what
>>> people consider to be names, and, JMHO, some of the schools sometimes
>>> don't
>>> set a very good example. Maybe not completely, but, if you would not use
>>> that for a person name, then it is probably not a good dog name either.
>>> Yes, please email me off list with the story about the dog names.
>>>
>>> Nicole and Lexia
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mardi
Hadfield
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 10:18 PM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] New dog and changing name was Re:Age of
>>> qualifyingguide
>>> dogs
>>>
>>> Hi fellow Lister's, Mardi again. I have changed many of the rescued
dogs
>>> names,providing they came to us with names.Some people give their dogs
> the
>>> most rediculous names,ie. Baby Girl, Sweetie pie,Woolfy.Well you get the
>>> idea.When I bought Nala from a breeder, Her name was Pepper.I gave her a
>>> Lakota name. Wakinyan nis Nala,pronounced Wok in yon neesh Nala. It
>>> means, "Alone in Thunder'. It was thundering and raining on the day I
got
>>> her and she looked so alone and scared.When Shaman came to me from the
>>> woman
>>> who rescued him from the shelter, she was calling him Fritz. The name on
>>> his
>>> paper work was Duke. He had been an owner turn in to the shelter. I
>>> decided
>>> to call him Shaman.When I got Neechee, which is spelled N i c i in
>>> Lakota,her name was Cleo. I had already had a dog many years before with
>>> that name and decided to change her name. Nici in Lakota means "For
You".
>>> There is a story behind that name and if any one wants to know about it,
>>> just let me know.When I change the name of a dog that has a previous
>>> name,I
>>> call the dog by using both names. Come Pepper- Nala,Sit Fritz- Shaman,
>>> Forward Cleo-Neechee. I eventually drop the first name and just use the
>>> new
>>> name when I feel that the dog has had enough time to get used to the
>>> second
>>> name.They usually transition fairly fast.It works and I think that it
>>> makes
>>> it easier for the dog to get used to the new name. Mardi and Shaman
and
>>> Neechee.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://wolfsinger-lakota.blogspot.com/
>>> http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com
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>>
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 08:06:41 -0800
>> From: "Craig Heaps" <craig.heaps at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] New dog and changing name was Re:Age of
>> qualifyingguide dogs
>> Message-ID: <4E152E6DAEB64F988C6AFEB2C1ADF7F5 at CraigPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> When I went ot GDB, the first dog with which they matched me was Nicole.
>> That was going to be funny or awkward, depending on your perspective,
>> because I have an adult niece named Nicole. It urns out Nicole (the dog,
>> not the niece) didn't walk fast enough. So I went to the window
>> (figuratively) and traded for Chase. He walked significantly faster, so
I
>
>> called him High Speed Chase.
>>
>> Craig and (High Speed) Chase
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 7:56 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] New dog and changing name was Re:Age of
> qualifyingguide
>>
>> dogs
>>
>>
>>> Thanks Mardi. That sounds like a good method. I always thought the new
>>> dog name would need to sound quite similar to the old one, but I see
>>> that's not necessarily so.
>>>
>>> I toyed with changing my dog Amba's name to Amber, but it did not suit
>>> her. I later found out that Amba is one of the Hindu names for the
> Mother
>>> Goddess, and thus suited Amba absolutely.
>>>
>>> GDB used to have a real thing for food names. I swear everyone in the
>>> puppy department must have been on a diet! Waffles was one I remember.
>>> I'd sure have changed that!
>>>
>>> It's hard enough to get strangers to treat me as an adult to be taken
>>> seriously. IMO, having a dog with a silly name would make that task
>>> harder.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>> I like the method that you use. I was going to suggest something like
>>>> that,
>>>> but decided not to since I have never actually had to change the name
of
>
>>>> a
>>>> dog. As far as names themselves, it is sometimes absolutely ridiculous
>>>> what
>>>> people consider to be names, and, JMHO, some of the schools sometimes
>>>> don't
>>>> set a very good example. Maybe not completely, but, if you would not
use
>>>> that for a person name, then it is probably not a good dog name either.
>>>> Yes, please email me off list with the story about the dog names.
>>>>
>>>> Nicole and Lexia
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mardi
> Hadfield
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 10:18 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] New dog and changing name was Re:Age of
>>>> qualifyingguide
>>>> dogs
>>>>
>>>> Hi fellow Lister's, Mardi again. I have changed many of the rescued
>>>> dogs
>>>> names,providing they came to us with names.Some people give their dogs
>>>> the
>>>> most rediculous names,ie. Baby Girl, Sweetie pie,Woolfy.Well you get
the
>>>> idea.When I bought Nala from a breeder, Her name was Pepper.I gave her
a
>>>> Lakota name. Wakinyan nis Nala,pronounced Wok in yon neesh Nala.
It
>>>> means, "Alone in Thunder'. It was thundering and raining on the day I
> got
>>>> her and she looked so alone and scared.When Shaman came to me from the
>>>> woman
>>>> who rescued him from the shelter, she was calling him Fritz. The name
on
>>>> his
>>>> paper work was Duke. He had been an owner turn in to the shelter. I
>>>> decided
>>>> to call him Shaman.When I got Neechee, which is spelled N i c i in
>>>> Lakota,her name was Cleo. I had already had a dog many years before
with
>>>> that name and decided to change her name. Nici in Lakota means "For
> You".
>>>> There is a story behind that name and if any one wants to know about
it,
>>>> just let me know.When I change the name of a dog that has a previous
>>>> name,I
>>>> call the dog by using both names. Come Pepper- Nala,Sit Fritz- Shaman,
>>>> Forward Cleo-Neechee. I eventually drop the first name and just use the
>>>> new
>>>> name when I feel that the dog has had enough time to get used to the
>>>> second
>>>> name.They usually transition fairly fast.It works and I think that it
>>>> makes
>>>> it easier for the dog to get used to the new name. Mardi and Shaman
> and
>>>> Neechee.
>>>>
>>>>
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>> Message: 14
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 11:13:54 -0500
>> From: "Howard J. Levine" <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>> Message-ID: <05ec01cf317b$6acf4260$406dc720$@earthlink.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Come on Marsha no one was nasty, did GDF call you. We have a right
>> to our opinion's and please don't hold blind people to higher stand then
>> sighted people. It is tv show and we can have opinion just like the rest
> of
>> the country. I understand that this show is being back byGDF and it is
all
>> about money. WE as blind people have same rights rest of the country and
>> don't need to kiss as just so we can get a guide dog.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:47 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>
>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not likethe
>> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>
>> Marsha drenth
>> Sent with my IPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh. I didn't get a
>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published
> about
>> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
>> points to say on the show. SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>> Mike.
>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>
>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this
> thing
>> for one wasn?t funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>
>>>> Where did the guy?s family think he went for a month? Or did he just
> pick
>> up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>
>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>
>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
>> C?mon.
>>>>
>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, and mom?midlife crisis much?
>>>>
>>>> I?ll give it another go, but i?m not very optimistic.
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>> Message: 15
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 11:17:46 -0500
>> From: Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>> Message-ID: <530B70AA.7070200 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>>
>> She meant that more towards me and Buddy. Not the entire list.
>> Mike.
>> On 2/24/2014 11:13 AM, Howard J. Levine wrote:
>>> Come on Marsha no one was nasty, did GDF call you. We have a right
>> to our opinion's and please don't hold blind people to higher stand then
>> sighted people. It is tv show and we can have opinion just like the rest
> of
>> the country. I understand that this show is being back byGDF and it is
all
>> about money. WE as blind people have same rights rest of the country and
>> don't need to kiss as just so we can get a guide dog.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:47 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>>
>>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not
likethe
>> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>>
>>> Marsha drenth
>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>
>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh. I didn't get a
>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published
> about
>> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
>> points to say on the show. SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>>> Mike.
>>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>>
>>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this
> thing
>> for one wasn?t funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>>
>>>>> Where did the guy?s family think he went for a month? Or did he just
>> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>>
>>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>>
>>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
>> C?mon.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, and mom?midlife crisis much?
>>>>>
>>>>> I?ll give it another go, but i?m not very optimistic.
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>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 16
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 11:23:02 -0500
>> From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>> Message-ID: <A1404201-C9D0-4381-99F4-8EAF4D92BBBF at brannan.name>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>
>> I?m not sure what wasn?t nice about my opinion. It wasn?t funny, simple
as
>> that.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:13 AM, Howard J. Levine <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>>
>>> Come on Marsha no one was nasty, did GDF call you. We have a right
>> to our opinion's and please don't hold blind people to higher stand then
>> sighted people. It is tv show and we can have opinion just like the rest
> of
>> the country. I understand that this show is being back byGDF and it is
all
>> about money. WE as blind people have same rights rest of the country and
>> don't need to kiss as just so we can get a guide dog.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:47 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>>
>>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not
likethe
>> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>>
>>> Marsha drenth
>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>
>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh. I didn't get a
>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published
> about
>> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
>> points to say on the show. SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>>> Mike.
>>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>>
>>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this
> thing
>> for one wasn?t funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>>
>>>>> Where did the guy?s family think he went for a month? Or did he just
>> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>>
>>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>>
>>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
>> C?mon.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, and mom?midlife crisis much?
>>>>>
>>>>> I?ll give it another go, but i?m not very optimistic.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 17
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 11:34:40 -0500
>> From: "Howard J. Levine" <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>> Message-ID: <05f301cf317e$5113b4c0$f33b1e40$@earthlink.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> You Guys where not nasty and you have right to your opinions and I am ham
>> operator and are on other list and thay don't come down on what pepole
> say.
>> Just because we are blind we don't need to kiss as just so we can get a
>> guide dog. I think the nest time I need to go for another guide dog I
will
>> pay for it out of my own money. I don't want to kiss ass or beg and
don't
>> want pity on me. I want to stand like any one else.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 11:18 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>
>> She meant that more towards me and Buddy. Not the entire list.
>> Mike.
>> On 2/24/2014 11:13 AM, Howard J. Levine wrote:
>>> Come on Marsha no one was nasty, did GDF call you. We have a right
>> to our opinion's and please don't hold blind people to higher stand then
>> sighted people. It is tv show and we can have opinion just like the rest
> of
>> the country. I understand that this show is being back byGDF and it is
all
>> about money. WE as blind people have same rights rest of the country and
>> don't need to kiss as just so we can get a guide dog.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:47 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>>
>>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not
likethe
>> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>>
>>> Marsha drenth
>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>
>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh. I didn't get a
>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published
> about
>> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
>> points to say on the show. SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>>> Mike.
>>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>>
>>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this
> thing
>> for one wasn?t funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>>
>>>>> Where did the guy?s family think he went for a month? Or did he just
>> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>>
>>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>>
>>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
>> C?mon.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, and mom?midlife crisis much?
>>>>>
>>>>> I?ll give it another go, but i?m not very optimistic.
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>> Message: 18
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 11:44:07 -0500
>> From: "Howard J. Levine" <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>> Message-ID: <05f401cf317f$a37bf050$ea73d0f0$@earthlink.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Hi Buddy from another ham operator, you where not nasty and you need to
> look
>> at where Marsha was coming from. She is looking out for GDF. You where
> just
>> to guys talking about a show. To GDF and other's it is about money and
> would
>> like us to be quite and say thank you so much for our dogs and keep our
>> opinions to our self.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 11:23 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>
>> I'm not sure what wasn't nice about my opinion. It wasn't funny, simple
as
>> that.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:13 AM, Howard J. Levine <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>>
>>> Come on Marsha no one was nasty, did GDF call you. We have a right
>> to our opinion's and please don't hold blind people to higher stand then
>> sighted people. It is tv show and we can have opinion just like the rest
> of
>> the country. I understand that this show is being back byGDF and it is
all
>> about money. WE as blind people have same rights rest of the country and
>> don't need to kiss as just so we can get a guide dog.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:47 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>>
>>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not
likethe
>> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>>
>>> Marsha drenth
>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>
>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh. I didn't get a
>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published
> about
>> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
>> points to say on the show. SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>>> Mike.
>>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>>
>>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this
> thing
>> for one wasn't funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>>
>>>>> Where did the guy's family think he went for a month? Or did he just
>> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>>
>>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>>
>>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
>> C'mon.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, and mom.midlife crisis much?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll give it another go, but i'm not very optimistic.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> Message: 19
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 11:52:59 -0500
>> From: Brandy Pinder <bdpinder at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>> Message-ID: <EAB03FCE-B4D5-42E0-BD27-B67BFAD001D6 at gmail.com>
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>>
>> Howard and all all
>> Martia was speaking to the tone of mikes email. Honestly gdf didn't tell
> any
>> grads about the show and I know gdui members who did not attend gdf who
>> helped nbc with consultations as well as I'm sure nfb. So gdf could care
>> less if we like it or not. There will probably be gdf grads who hate it.
> We
>> all have different senses of humor. Smile
>>
>> brandy pinder
>> Alumni Council - second vice Chairman
>> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc?
>> and America's VetDogs?, The Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc?
>> Providing "Second uSight"? since 1946
>>
>> 371 E. Jericho Turnpike smith town ny 11766
>> Cso: 866-282-8047
>> Email: brandydp at verizon.net
>> Cell: 304-685-4499
>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:44 AM, "Howard J. Levine" <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Buddy from another ham operator, you where not nasty and you need to
>> look
>>> at where Marsha was coming from. She is looking out for GDF. You where
>> just
>>> to guys talking about a show. To GDF and other's it is about money and
>> would
>>> like us to be quite and say thank you so much for our dogs and keep our
>>> opinions to our self.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 11:23 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what wasn't nice about my opinion. It wasn't funny, simple
> as
>>> that.
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:13 AM, Howard J. Levine <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Come on Marsha no one was nasty, did GDF call you. We have a right
>>> to our opinion's and please don't hold blind people to higher stand then
>>> sighted people. It is tv show and we can have opinion just like the rest
>> of
>>> the country. I understand that this show is being back byGDF and it is
> all
>>> about money. WE as blind people have same rights rest of the country and
>>> don't need to kiss as just so we can get a guide dog.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha
Drenth
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:47 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>>>
>>>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not
> likethe
>>> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>>>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>>>
>>>> Marsha drenth
>>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh. I didn't get a
>>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published
>> about
>>> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
>>> points to say on the show. SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>>>> Mike.
>>>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
>>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this
>> thing
>>> for one wasn't funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where did the guy's family think he went for a month? Or did he just
>>> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
>>> C'mon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, and mom.midlife crisis much?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll give it another go, but i'm not very optimistic.
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>>
>> Message: 20
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 12:09:18 -0500
>> From: Shannon Dyer <solsticesinger at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>> Message-ID: <54CF56AD-1208-4CBB-82E3-11E091A98778 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> I'm not a huge TV person, but I watched the first episode just to see
what
>> it would be like. There were a few things I liked about it, but I
disliked
>> most of it. Still, as many of you have said, it's a comedy. I'll probably
>> watch a few more episodes, just to see where they take it.
>>
>> I did find it odd that it never told us what kind of dog Elvis is
supposed
>> to be. It had good description, but did they just sort of forget to
> include
>> that part?
>>
>> I didn't like the stuff about the dog eating human food either.
>>
>> I thought the denial of access at the hotel was nicely dealt with.
>>
>> Shannon and the Acelet
>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Brandy Pinder <bdpinder at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Howard and all all
>>> Martia was speaking to the tone of mikes email. Honestly gdf didn't tell
>> any grads about the show and I know gdui members who did not attend gdf
> who
>> helped nbc with consultations as well as I'm sure nfb. So gdf could care
>> less if we like it or not. There will probably be gdf grads who hate it.
> We
>> all have different senses of humor. Smile
>>>
>>> brandy pinder
>>> Alumni Council - second vice Chairman
>>> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc?
>>> and America's VetDogs?, The Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc?
>>> Providing "Second uSight"? since 1946
>>>
>>> 371 E. Jericho Turnpike smith town ny 11766
>>> Cso: 866-282-8047
>>> Email: brandydp at verizon.net
>>> Cell: 304-685-4499
>>>
>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:44 AM, "Howard J. Levine" <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Buddy from another ham operator, you where not nasty and you need to
>> look
>>>> at where Marsha was coming from. She is looking out for GDF. You where
>> just
>>>> to guys talking about a show. To GDF and other's it is about money and
>> would
>>>> like us to be quite and say thank you so much for our dogs and keep our
>>>> opinions to our self.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy
Brannan
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 11:23 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure what wasn't nice about my opinion. It wasn't funny, simple
>> as
>>>> that.
>>>> --
>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:13 AM, Howard J. Levine <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Come on Marsha no one was nasty, did GDF call you. We have a right
>>>> to our opinion's and please don't hold blind people to higher stand
then
>>>> sighted people. It is tv show and we can have opinion just like the
rest
>> of
>>>> the country. I understand that this show is being back byGDF and it is
>> all
>>>> about money. WE as blind people have same rights rest of the country
and
>>>> don't need to kiss as just so we can get a guide dog.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha
> Drenth
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:47 AM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>>>>
>>>>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not
>> likethe
>>>> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>>>>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>>>>
>>>>> Marsha drenth
>>>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh. I didn't get
a
>>>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published
>> about
>>>> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of
good
>>>> points to say on the show. SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>>>>> Mike.
>>>>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
>>>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this
>> thing
>>>> for one wasn't funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where did the guy's family think he went for a month? Or did he just
>>>> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
>>>> C'mon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, and mom.midlife crisis much?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll give it another go, but i'm not very optimistic.
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 21
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 12:11:03 -0500
>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>> Message-ID: <5B48B050C98346CE9DE13FBA5A0F52E6 at yourec0540d030>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Well, as far as locking the dog up somewhere, all of mine have been left
>> somewhere in the house at sometime or another. Every sence I was a kid,
> our
>> little pets would get into the closets, pantries or laundry rooms.
> Sometimes
>>
>> they would bark and others they would lie in a big pile of clothes and go
> to
>>
>> sleep. Holly will occassionally sneak into ar room and I won't know she
> came
>>
>> in. I'll close the door and go about my business. Later, we'll call the
> dogs
>>
>> to go outside and we'll hear a scratch or sniff from behind the door.
Even
>
>> sighted folks do this! And the tree! I have a funnier story than that! I
>> went over to someones house and they wanted me to help cut down this
tree.
>
>> It wasn't very big but it was springy. Three blind dudes went out to cut
> it.
>>
>> Me, I had the saw. My friend sat on the tree when I started to cut it.
The
>
>> third guy who's yard it was dragged it off. And also pulled the end down
> so
>> as to help me open up the cut a little more! My buddy who sat on the tree
> is
>>
>> a middle Eastern dude with a great hardy laugh. The other guy is
> relatively
>> quiet. And me, somewhat in between. This tree was near the street. We had
>> neighbors coming out to watch and all of us had a great time! Of course,
> we
>> removed the thing and we all laughed so hard folks were calling us the
> three
>>
>> studges! The point is that yes we can be commical as well as serious.
I've
>
>> often toyed with the idea of making a commedy routine with blindness as
> its
>> central focus. Addressing primarily questions that sighted folks ask us
> and
>> giving anwsers in humours fashion. I think I could do this quite
> tastefully
>> but so far, most of the blind community doesn't like humor involving
them.
> I
>>
>> believe that we could be funny and have a great time without being
>> ddiscriminatory against us blind folks. I missed the show but I wonder,
is
>
>> the actor blind? And if so, does he really use a guide dog?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Brandy Pinder" <bdpinder at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 10:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>
>>
>>> I agree with mike. I did find it funny. I also saw some educational
stuff
>
>>> in there. For instance explaining the dog doesn't quote see for you but
>>> guides you. Now they should of mentioned seeing eye is a name brand.
> Also,
>>> locking the dog in the pantry was meant to be funny and any parents can
>>> agree they do things like this to help there kids through something,
> would
>>> I do it that way maybe not but again it's a comedy. Does every one think
>>> that all black families are like the house of pain? I would of been mad
> if
>>> when he cut down the tree it hit the house, or when parking he hit a
car.
> I
>>
>>> had a boyfriend who let me drive twice when no one was on the road. I
> have
>>> seen blind parents who used to drive give their kids driving pointers.
> And
>>> lastly it was a pilot episode. If you look at the summary of the next
>>> episode it goes into detail. If this was a movie or reality show I would
> be
>>
>>> more nit picky but it is a comedy. I think we should be happy they are
>>> trying to portray people who are blind. Is it perfect? Maybe not but if
>>> this keeps going maybe they will make more like it and actually use
blind
>
>>> actors etc. The director consulted extensively with people who are blind
> in
>>
>>> los Angeles as well as got extensive information and equipment from gdf
> not
>>
>>> to mention he lived it. It's not like he pulled this out of thin air. If
>>> agencies go and protest it it and any other shows like it would
> disappear.
>>> Bottom line it is a comedy. If Tim the tool man Taylor was a normal home
>>> improvement guy would it be funny?
>>>
>>> brandy pinder
>>> Alumni Council - second vice Chairman
>>> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc?
>>> and America's VetDogs?, The Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc?
>>> Providing "Second uSight"? since 1946
>>>
>>> 371 E. Jericho Turnpike smith town ny 11766
>>> Cso: 866-282-8047
>>> Email: brandydp at verizon.net
>>> Cell: 304-685-4499
>>>
>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not
> likethe
>>
>>>> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>>>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>>>
>>>> Marsha drenth
>>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh. I didn't get a
>>>>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published
>>>>> about it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot
>>>>> of good points to say on the show. SO I think I'll take them over
you.
>>>>> Mike.
>>>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
>>>>>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this
>>>>>> thing for one wasn?t funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where did the guy?s family think he went for a month? Or did he just
>>>>>> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
>> C?mon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, and mom?midlife crisis much?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I?ll give it another go, but i?m not very optimistic.
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 22
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 12:11:57 -0500
>> From: Shannon Dyer <solsticesinger at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>> Message-ID: <17B93CFC-90C2-46C0-9623-CAA7558757CA at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> I don't think Marsha or anyone else wants people to beg for a guide dog.
>> This list has rules, and has had them for as long as I've been a part of
> it.
>> It has nothing to do with Marsha being a GDF grad. I'm one too. I'm not
>> looking out for them, protecting them, or expecting people to keep their
>> opinions to themselves. I don't think Marsha is doing these things
either.
>>
>> Shannon and the Acelet
>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:44 AM, "Howard J. Levine" <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Buddy from another ham operator, you where not nasty and you need to
>> look
>>> at where Marsha was coming from. She is looking out for GDF. You where
>> just
>>> to guys talking about a show. To GDF and other's it is about money and
>> would
>>> like us to be quite and say thank you so much for our dogs and keep our
>>> opinions to our self.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 11:23 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what wasn't nice about my opinion. It wasn't funny, simple
> as
>>> that.
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:13 AM, Howard J. Levine <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Come on Marsha no one was nasty, did GDF call you. We have a right
>>> to our opinion's and please don't hold blind people to higher stand then
>>> sighted people. It is tv show and we can have opinion just like the rest
>> of
>>> the country. I understand that this show is being back byGDF and it is
> all
>>> about money. WE as blind people have same rights rest of the country and
>>> don't need to kiss as just so we can get a guide dog.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha
Drenth
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:47 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>>>
>>>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not
> likethe
>>> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>>>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>>>
>>>> Marsha drenth
>>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh. I didn't get a
>>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published
>> about
>>> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
>>> points to say on the show. SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>>>> Mike.
>>>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
>>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this
>> thing
>>> for one wasn't funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where did the guy's family think he went for a month? Or did he just
>>> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
>>> C'mon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, and mom.midlife crisis much?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll give it another go, but i'm not very optimistic.
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 23
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 12:33:03 -0500
>> From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>> Message-ID: <556EACF9-9D2A-48A0-90CF-3134C04A39C0 at brannan.name>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>
>> The access denial was excellent! But on the whole, it just wasn?t very
>> funny. I?m definitely for checking out the next ones; I?d say that as
>> blindness portrayals go, I?ve seen worse, but it just didn?t seem very
> funny
>> to me.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Shannon Dyer <solsticesinger at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not a huge TV person, but I watched the first episode just to see
> what
>> it would be like. There were a few things I liked about it, but I
disliked
>> most of it. Still, as many of you have said, it's a comedy. I'll probably
>> watch a few more episodes, just to see where they take it.
>>>
>>> I did find it odd that it never told us what kind of dog Elvis is
> supposed
>> to be. It had good description, but did they just sort of forget to
> include
>> that part?
>>>
>>> I didn't like the stuff about the dog eating human food either.
>>>
>>> I thought the denial of access at the hotel was nicely dealt with.
>>>
>>> Shannon and the Acelet
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Brandy Pinder <bdpinder at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Howard and all all
>>>> Martia was speaking to the tone of mikes email. Honestly gdf didn't
tell
>> any grads about the show and I know gdui members who did not attend gdf
> who
>> helped nbc with consultations as well as I'm sure nfb. So gdf could care
>> less if we like it or not. There will probably be gdf grads who hate it.
> We
>> all have different senses of humor. Smile
>>>>
>>>> brandy pinder
>>>> Alumni Council - second vice Chairman
>>>> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc?
>>>> and America's VetDogs?, The Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc?
>>>> Providing "Second uSight"? since 1946
>>>>
>>>> 371 E. Jericho Turnpike smith town ny 11766
>>>> Cso: 866-282-8047
>>>> Email: brandydp at verizon.net
>>>> Cell: 304-685-4499
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:44 AM, "Howard J. Levine"
<WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Buddy from another ham operator, you where not nasty and you need
to
>> look
>>>>> at where Marsha was coming from. She is looking out for GDF. You where
>> just
>>>>> to guys talking about a show. To GDF and other's it is about money and
>> would
>>>>> like us to be quite and say thank you so much for our dogs and keep
our
>>>>> opinions to our self.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy
> Brannan
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 11:23 AM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure what wasn't nice about my opinion. It wasn't funny,
simple
>> as
>>>>> that.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:13 AM, Howard J. Levine <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Come on Marsha no one was nasty, did GDF call you. We have a right
>>>>> to our opinion's and please don't hold blind people to higher stand
> then
>>>>> sighted people. It is tv show and we can have opinion just like the
> rest
>> of
>>>>> the country. I understand that this show is being back byGDF and it is
>> all
>>>>> about money. WE as blind people have same rights rest of the country
> and
>>>>> don't need to kiss as just so we can get a guide dog.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha
>> Drenth
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:47 AM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>>>>>
>>>>>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not
>> likethe
>>>>> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>>>>>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marsha drenth
>>>>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh. I didn't get
> a
>>>>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published
>> about
>>>>> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of
> good
>>>>> points to say on the show. SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>>>>>> Mike.
>>>>>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
>>>>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this
>> thing
>>>>> for one wasn't funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where did the guy's family think he went for a month? Or did he
just
>>>>> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For
real?
>>>>> C'mon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh, and mom.midlife crisis much?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll give it another go, but i'm not very optimistic.
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> nagdu:
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>>>>> om
>>>>>>>
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 24
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 12:37:01 -0500
>> From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>> Message-ID: <5688C79C-499C-48AD-92CA-B776A4C80681 at brannan.name>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>
>> I think NBC and Hulu have it for replay.
>>
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 10:27 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I just really found it amazing that the NFB even was like yes, it's
good.
>> Yeah their are some some wrong things in here, but hey. It's a comedy and
> it
>> did a great job. It's only the pilot episode. They were the ones who I
>> thought would bash it all to crap. Apparently I was wrong. I'm watching
> it
>> now and am so far really enjoying it. As for watching it online, unless
> NBC
>> has it up on their site for those who want to watch it without
> description,
>> I'm not sure where you could get it from.
>>> Mike.
>>>
>>> On 2/24/2014 10:21 AM, Brandy Pinder wrote:
>>>> I agree with mike. I did find it funny. I also saw some educational
> stuff
>> in there. For instance explaining the dog doesn't quote see for you but
>> guides you. Now they should of mentioned seeing eye is a name brand.
Also,
>> locking the dog in the pantry was meant to be funny and any parents can
>> agree they do things like this to help there kids through something,
would
> I
>> do it that way maybe not but again it's a comedy. Does every one think
> that
>> all black families are like the house of pain? I would of been mad if
when
>> he cut down the tree it hit the house, or when parking he hit a car. I
had
> a
>> boyfriend who let me drive twice when no one was on the road. I have seen
>> blind parents who used to drive give their kids driving pointers. And
> lastly
>> it was a pilot episode. If you look at the summary of the next episode it
>> goes into detail. If this was a movie or reality show I would be more nit
>> picky but it is a comedy. I think we should be happy they are trying to
>> portray people who are blind. Is it perfect? Maybe not but if this keeps
>> going maybe they will make more like it and actually use blind actors
etc.
>> The director consulted extensively with people who are blind in los
> Angeles
>> as well as got extensive information and equipment from gdf not to
mention
>> he lived it. It's not like he pulled this out of thin air. If agencies go
>> and protest it it and any other shows like it would disappear. Bottom
line
>> it is a comedy. If Tim the tool man Taylor was a normal home improvement
> guy
>> would it be funny?
>>>>
>>>> brandy pinder
>>>> Alumni Council - second vice Chairman
>>>> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc?
>>>> and America's VetDogs?, The Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc?
>>>> Providing "Second uSight"? since 1946
>>>>
>>>> 371 E. Jericho Turnpike smith town ny 11766
>>>> Cso: 866-282-8047
>>>> Email: brandydp at verizon.net
>>>> Cell: 304-685-4499
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not
>> likethe show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>>>>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>>>>
>>>>> Marsha drenth
>>>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh. I didn't get
a
>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published
> about
>> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
>> points to say on the show. SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>>>>> Mike.
>>>>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this
> thing
>> for one wasn?t funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where did the guy?s family think he went for a month? Or did he just
>> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
>> C?mon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, and mom?midlife crisis much?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I?ll give it another go, but i?m not very optimistic.
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 25
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 12:40:28 -0500
>> From: Shannon Dyer <solsticesinger at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>> Message-ID: <70D540C5-A5BE-42CB-9B64-359CB9278F79 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>
>> I agree. The jokes just weren't funny.
>>
>> Shannon and the Acelet
>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 12:33 PM, Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name> wrote:
>>
>>> The access denial was excellent! But on the whole, it just wasn?t very
>> funny. I?m definitely for checking out the next ones; I?d say that as
>> blindness portrayals go, I?ve seen worse, but it just didn?t seem very
> funny
>> to me.
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Shannon Dyer <solsticesinger at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm not a huge TV person, but I watched the first episode just to see
>> what it would be like. There were a few things I liked about it, but I
>> disliked most of it. Still, as many of you have said, it's a comedy. I'll
>> probably watch a few more episodes, just to see where they take it.
>>>>
>>>> I did find it odd that it never told us what kind of dog Elvis is
>> supposed to be. It had good description, but did they just sort of forget
> to
>> include that part?
>>>>
>>>> I didn't like the stuff about the dog eating human food either.
>>>>
>>>> I thought the denial of access at the hotel was nicely dealt with.
>>>>
>>>> Shannon and the Acelet
>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Brandy Pinder <bdpinder at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Howard and all all
>>>>> Martia was speaking to the tone of mikes email. Honestly gdf didn't
> tell
>> any grads about the show and I know gdui members who did not attend gdf
> who
>> helped nbc with consultations as well as I'm sure nfb. So gdf could care
>> less if we like it or not. There will probably be gdf grads who hate it.
> We
>> all have different senses of humor. Smile
>>>>>
>>>>> brandy pinder
>>>>> Alumni Council - second vice Chairman
>>>>> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc?
>>>>> and America's VetDogs?, The Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc?
>>>>> Providing "Second uSight"? since 1946
>>>>>
>>>>> 371 E. Jericho Turnpike smith town ny 11766
>>>>> Cso: 866-282-8047
>>>>> Email: brandydp at verizon.net
>>>>> Cell: 304-685-4499
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:44 AM, "Howard J. Levine"
> <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Buddy from another ham operator, you where not nasty and you need
> to
>> look
>>>>>> at where Marsha was coming from. She is looking out for GDF. You
where
>> just
>>>>>> to guys talking about a show. To GDF and other's it is about money
and
>> would
>>>>>> like us to be quite and say thank you so much for our dogs and keep
> our
>>>>>> opinions to our self.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy
>> Brannan
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 11:23 AM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure what wasn't nice about my opinion. It wasn't funny,
> simple
>> as
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:13 AM, Howard J. Levine
<WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Come on Marsha no one was nasty, did GDF call you. We have a right
>>>>>> to our opinion's and please don't hold blind people to higher stand
>> then
>>>>>> sighted people. It is tv show and we can have opinion just like the
>> rest of
>>>>>> the country. I understand that this show is being back byGDF and it
is
>> all
>>>>>> about money. WE as blind people have same rights rest of the country
>> and
>>>>>> don't need to kiss as just so we can get a guide dog.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha
>> Drenth
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:47 AM
>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not
>> likethe
>>>>>> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>>>>>>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marsha drenth
>>>>>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh. I didn't
get
>> a
>>>>>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published
>> about
>>>>>> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of
>> good
>>>>>> points to say on the show. SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>>>>>>> Mike.
>>>>>>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
>>>>>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this
>> thing
>>>>>> for one wasn't funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where did the guy's family think he went for a month? Or did he
> just
>>>>>> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For
> real?
>>>>>> C'mon.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh, and mom.midlife crisis much?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll give it another go, but i'm not very optimistic.
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>> Message: 26
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 18:07:00 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: craig.heaps at comcast.net
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>> Message-ID:
>> <752518847.4363511.1393265220179.JavaMail.root at comcast.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Well, you guys got me to go to On Demand on Comcast and watch it.? It was
>> pretty standard sitcom stuff, but it made me laugh out loud in a couple
of
>> places.
>> Don't expect it to be an accurate portrayal in every detail.? It's not a
>> documentary.? It's a work of fiction desinged to make you laugh.?? I've
>> worked in TV news for nearly forty years, and I still cringe when
> reporters
>> are portrayed in movies.? But I realize the point is the plot, not the
>> detailed portrayal.? As they say in Hollywood, "If you buy the premise,
> you
>> buy the movie."? You suspend disbelief.
>> ?
>> My main thought was, "My kids would identify with this."? They grew up
> with
>> a legally blind dad and can appreciate the differentness that goes with
>> that.? They were at times my guides and protectors.? My son texted me
this
>> morning and said, "When I saw the previews, I thought they bought dad's
>> pilot."
>> ?
>> I don't know if anyone else mentioned this, but the organization they
> named
>> in the show was Guide Dogs Foundation.?
>> ?
>> The access stuff was fun.? The hiding the blindness was fun.? The wife
was
>> over the top and was the really unbelieveable part of the show, not the
>> actor playing blind.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "Shannon Dyer" <solsticesinger at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:40:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>
>> I agree. The jokes just weren't funny.
>>
>> Shannon and the Acelet
>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 12:33 PM, Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name> wrote:
>>
>>> The access denial was excellent! But on the whole, it just wasn?t very
>> funny. I?m definitely for checking out the next ones; I?d say that as
>> blindness portrayals go, I?ve seen worse, but it just didn?t seem very
> funny
>> to me.
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Shannon Dyer <solsticesinger at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm not a huge TV person, but I watched the first episode just to see
>> what it would be like. There were a few things I liked about it, but I
>> disliked most of it. Still, as many of you have said, it's a comedy. I'll
>> probably watch a few more episodes, just to see where they take it.
>>>>
>>>> I did find it odd that it never told us what kind of dog Elvis is
>> supposed to be. It had good description, but did they just sort of forget
> to
>> include that part?
>>>>
>>>> I didn't like the stuff about the dog eating human food either.
>>>>
>>>> I thought the denial of access at the hotel was nicely dealt with.
>>>>
>>>> Shannon and the Acelet
>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Brandy Pinder <bdpinder at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Howard and all all
>>>>> Martia was speaking to the tone of mikes email. Honestly gdf didn't
> tell
>> any grads about the show and I know gdui members who did not attend gdf
> who
>> helped nbc with consultations as well as I'm sure nfb. ?So gdf could care
>> less if we like it or not. There will probably be gdf grads who hate it.
> We
>> all have different senses of humor. ?Smile ?
>>>>>
>>>>> brandy pinder
>>>>> Alumni Council - ?second vice Chairman
>>>>> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc?
>>>>> and America's VetDogs?, The Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc?
>>>>> Providing "Second uSight"? since 1946
>>>>>
>>>>> 371 E. Jericho Turnpike smith town ny 11766
>>>>> Cso: 866-282-8047
>>>>> Email: brandydp at verizon.net
>>>>> Cell: 304-685-4499
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:44 AM, "Howard J. Levine"
> <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Buddy from another ham operator, you where not nasty and you need
> to
>> look
>>>>>> at where Marsha was coming from. She is looking out for GDF. You
where
>> just
>>>>>> to guys talking about a show. To GDF and other's it is about money
and
>> would
>>>>>> like us to be quite and say thank you so much for our dogs and keep
> our
>>
>>>>>> opinions to our self.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy
>> Brannan
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 11:23 AM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure what wasn't nice about my opinion. It wasn't funny,
> simple
>> as
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:13 AM, Howard J. Levine
<WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Come on Marsha no one was nasty, did GDF call you. We have a right
>>>>>> to our opinion's and please don't hold blind people to higher stand
>> then
>>>>>> sighted people. It is tv show and we can have opinion just like the
>> rest of
>>>>>> the country. I understand that this show is being back byGDF and it
is
>> all
>>>>>> about money. WE as blind people have same rights rest of the country
>> and
>>>>>> don't need to kiss as just so we can get a guide dog.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha
>> Drenth
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:47 AM
>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not
>> likethe
>>>>>> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>>>>>>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marsha drenth ?
>>>>>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh. ?I didn't
get
>> a
>>>>>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published
>> about
>>>>>> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of
>> good
>>>>>> points to say on the show. ?SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>>>>>>> Mike.
>>>>>>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
>>>>>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this
>> thing
>>>>>> for one wasn't funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where did the guy's family think he went for a month? Or did he
> just
>>
>>>>>> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For
> real?
>>
>>>>>> C'mon.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh, and mom.midlife crisis much?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll give it another go, but i'm not very optimistic.
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>> Message: 27
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 13:48:33 -0500
>> From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Actually, I wondered where he had gone to get
> his
>> guide dog as well. They just sort of skipped that detail. However,
>> it
>> is a comedy and should probably be viewed as such
>> Message-ID: <F0B2568A-91AF-4260-A641-DDEAE1FEDC3A at brannan.name>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>
>> They didn?t leave it out. There?s a line wheree Mel says, ?I guess I?d
>> better clothe Guide Dog Foundation?I can?t be the first blind guy to lose
> a
>> dog?.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 10:21 AM, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I imagine they understand the rivalry between schools and didn't want to
>> start any arguments about that, so just left that out. Any chance I can
>> watch this online?
>>> Jewel
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> They also wouldn't show that as that would've taken more time and then
>> they would've put the school in there, and it's not a big plot point for
> the
>> show where he got the dog from anyway. Sorry, meant to put that last
part
>> in my previous message.
>>>> Mike.
>>>>> On 2/24/2014 10:10 AM, Sherri Brun wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Message: 28
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 14:20:25 -0500
>> From: "Howard J. Levine" <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Actually, I wondered where he had gone to get
> his
>> guide dog as well. They just sort of skipped that detail.
>> However, it
>> is a comedy and should probably be viewed as such
>> Message-ID: <060e01cf3195$79409f00$6bc1dd00$@earthlink.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Come on the pr department was working over time.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 1:49 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Actually, I wondered where he had gone to get his
> guide
>> dog as well. They just sort of skipped that detail. However, it is a
> comedy
>> and should probably be viewed as such
>>
>> They didn't leave it out. There's a line wheree Mel says, "I guess I'd
>> better clothe Guide Dog Foundation.I can't be the first blind guy to lose
> a
>> dog".
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 10:21 AM, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I imagine they understand the rivalry between schools and didn't want to
>> start any arguments about that, so just left that out. Any chance I can
>> watch this online?
>>> Jewel
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> They also wouldn't show that as that would've taken more time and then
>> they would've put the school in there, and it's not a big plot point for
> the
>> show where he got the dog from anyway. Sorry, meant to put that last
part
>> in my previous message.
>>>> Mike.
>>>>> On 2/24/2014 10:10 AM, Sherri Brun wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Message: 29
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 13:28:50 -0600
>> From: "Darla Rogers" <djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>> Message-ID: <008f01cf3196$a65d46e0$f317d4a0$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Good points, Brandi; it seemed it cut off very quickly, so I'm going to
> have
>> to re-view it to make sure I didn't miss anything.
>> Remember, pilots are just pilots; I am sure the creators are kicking
>> themselves about things they would have3 done differently.
>> At least, we aren't portrayed as helpless; t5he wife, so far as I
>> can figure, didn't leave because husband went blind, and comedy is often
a
>> good way to educate people. Remember all those cartoons in your
> textbooks?
>> I'm glad Howard has the money to pay for a guide dog; many, many of
>> us do not, and depending on how it is obtained and who trains, it could
be
> a
>> very expensive proposition.
>> Darla & happy Huck
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brandy Pinder
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:21 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>
>> I agree with mike. I did find it funny. I also saw some educational stuff
> in
>> there. For instance explaining the dog doesn't quote see for you but
> guides
>> you. Now they should of mentioned seeing eye is a name brand. Also,
> locking
>> the dog in the pantry was meant to be funny and any parents can agree
they
>> do things like this to help there kids through something, would I do it
> that
>> way maybe not but again it's a comedy. Does every one think that all
black
>> families are like the house of pain? I would of been mad if when he cut
> down
>> the tree it hit the house, or when parking he hit a car. I had a
boyfriend
>> who let me drive twice when no one was on the road. I have seen blind
>> parents who used to drive give their kids driving pointers. And lastly it
>> was a pilot episode. If you look at the summary of the next episode it
> goes
>> into detail. If this was a movie or reality show I would be more nit
picky
>> but it is a comedy. I think we should be happy they are trying to portray
>> people who are blind. Is it perfect? Maybe not but if this keeps going
> maybe
>> they will make more like it and actually use blind actors etc. The
> director
>> consulted extensively with people who are blind in los Angeles as well as
>> got extensive information and equipment from gdf not to mention he lived
> it.
>> It's not like he pulled this out of thin air. If agencies go and protest
> it
>> it and any other shows like it would disappear. Bottom line it is a
> comedy.
>> If Tim the tool man Taylor was a normal home improvement guy would it be
>> funny?
>>
>> brandy pinder
>> Alumni Council - second vice Chairman
>> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc? and America's VetDogs?, The
>> Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc? Providing "Second uSight"? since 1946
>>
>> 371 E. Jericho Turnpike smith town ny 11766
>> Cso: 866-282-8047
>> Email: brandydp at verizon.net
>> Cell: 304-685-4499
>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not
likethe
>> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>>
>>> Marsha drenth
>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>
>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh. I didn't get a
>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published
> about
>> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
>> points to say on the show. SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>>> Mike.
>>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>>
>>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this
> thing
>> for one wasn?t funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>>
>>>>> Where did the guy?s family think he went for a month? Or did he just
>> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>>
>>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>>
>>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
>> C?mon.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, and mom?midlife crisis much?
>>>>>
>>>>> I?ll give it another go, but i?m not very optimistic.
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 30
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 13:30:50 -0600
>> From: "Darla Rogers" <djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Actually, I wondered where he had gone to get
> his
>> guide dog as well. They just sort of skipped that detail.
>> However, it
>> is a comedy and should probably be viewed as such
>> Message-ID: <009001cf3196$ee614040$cb23c0c0$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Dear Jewel,
>>
>> If you write to me at:
>>
>> djrogers0628 at gmail.com
>>
>> I do have a file; I am not sure how good it turned out, as I didn't make
>> it.
>> All in all, I have s3een way, way worse, and just because they
>> consult with people, doesn't mean they take their advice--I know--I lived
> in
>> L.A. and my work place was often consulted about blind characters who
were
>> to be portrayed.
>> Darla & Happy Huck
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jewel
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:21 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Actually, I wondered where he had gone to get his
> guide
>> dog as well. They just sort of skipped that detail. However, it is a
> comedy
>> and should probably be viewed as such
>>
>> I imagine they understand the rivalry between schools and didn't want to
>> start any arguments about that, so just left that out. Any chance I can
>> watch this online?
>> Jewel
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> They also wouldn't show that as that would've taken more time and then
>> they would've put the school in there, and it's not a big plot point for
> the
>> show where he got the dog from anyway. Sorry, meant to put that last
part
>> in my previous message.
>>> Mike.
>>>> On 2/24/2014 10:10 AM, Sherri Brun wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
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>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 31
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 12:37:01 -0700
>> From: "melissa R green" <graduate56 at juno.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>> Message-ID: <2E9BA97FD2714ABFB4C789BBD2EA68C6 at HP30910210001>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> I saw Marsha's message as a message from the moderator. I agree with
>> shannon. Noone is protecting GDF. BtW, if it matters, I am a GDf grad
as
>
>> well. If I had graduated from another school, I would have the same
>> thoughts and opinions. Have a blessed day.
>> Best,
>> Melissa R Green and PJ
>> Some people come into your life just to teach you how to let go.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Shannon Dyer" <solsticesinger at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 10:11 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>
>>
>> I don't think Marsha or anyone else wants people to beg for a guide dog.
>> This list has rules, and has had them for as long as I've been a part of
> it.
>>
>> It has nothing to do with Marsha being a GDF grad. I'm one too. I'm not
>> looking out for them, protecting them, or expecting people to keep their
>> opinions to themselves. I don't think Marsha is doing these things
either.
>>
>> Shannon and the Acelet
>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:44 AM, "Howard J. Levine" <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Buddy from another ham operator, you where not nasty and you need to
>>> look
>>> at where Marsha was coming from. She is looking out for GDF. You where
>>> just
>>> to guys talking about a show. To GDF and other's it is about money and
>>> would
>>> like us to be quite and say thank you so much for our dogs and keep our
>>> opinions to our self.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 11:23 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what wasn't nice about my opinion. It wasn't funny, simple
> as
>>> that.
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:13 AM, Howard J. Levine <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Come on Marsha no one was nasty, did GDF call you. We have a right
>>> to our opinion's and please don't hold blind people to higher stand then
>>> sighted people. It is tv show and we can have opinion just like the rest
>>> of
>>> the country. I understand that this show is being back byGDF and it is
> all
>>> about money. WE as blind people have same rights rest of the country and
>>> don't need to kiss as just so we can get a guide dog.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha
Drenth
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:47 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>>>
>>>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not
> likethe
>>> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>>>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>>>
>>>> Marsha drenth
>>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh. I didn't get a
>>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published
>>> about
>>> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
>>> points to say on the show. SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>>>> Mike.
>>>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
>>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this
>>> thing
>>> for one wasn't funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where did the guy's family think he went for a month? Or did he just
>>> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
>>> C'mon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, and mom.midlife crisis much?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll give it another go, but i'm not very optimistic.
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 32
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 14:37:22 -0500
>> From: "Howard J. Levine" <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>> Message-ID: <060f01cf3197$d758d6a0$860a83e0$@earthlink.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> I don't have a lot of money but I don't want to be under the gun and
watch
> I
>> say and how I handle my dog. The one who pay's for guide dog has control.
>> Would I rather spend my money on other things yes.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla Rogers
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 2:29 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>
>> Good points, Brandi; it seemed it cut off very quickly, so I'm going to
> have
>> to re-view it to make sure I didn't miss anything.
>> Remember, pilots are just pilots; I am sure the creators are kicking
>> themselves about things they would have3 done differently.
>> At least, we aren't portrayed as helpless; t5he wife, so far as I
>> can figure, didn't leave because husband went blind, and comedy is often
a
>> good way to educate people. Remember all those cartoons in your
> textbooks?
>> I'm glad Howard has the money to pay for a guide dog; many, many of
>> us do not, and depending on how it is obtained and who trains, it could
be
> a
>> very expensive proposition.
>> Darla & happy Huck
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brandy Pinder
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:21 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>
>> I agree with mike. I did find it funny. I also saw some educational stuff
> in
>> there. For instance explaining the dog doesn't quote see for you but
> guides
>> you. Now they should of mentioned seeing eye is a name brand. Also,
> locking
>> the dog in the pantry was meant to be funny and any parents can agree
they
>> do things like this to help there kids through something, would I do it
> that
>> way maybe not but again it's a comedy. Does every one think that all
black
>> families are like the house of pain? I would of been mad if when he cut
> down
>> the tree it hit the house, or when parking he hit a car. I had a
boyfriend
>> who let me drive twice when no one was on the road. I have seen blind
>> parents who used to drive give their kids driving pointers. And lastly it
>> was a pilot episode. If you look at the summary of the next episode it
> goes
>> into detail. If this was a movie or reality show I would be more nit
picky
>> but it is a comedy. I think we should be happy they are trying to portray
>> people who are blind. Is it perfect? Maybe not but if this keeps going
> maybe
>> they will make more like it and actually use blind actors etc. The
> director
>> consulted extensively with people who are blind in los Angeles as well as
>> got extensive information and equipment from gdf not to mention he lived
> it.
>> It's not like he pulled this out of thin air. If agencies go and protest
> it
>> it and any other shows like it would disappear. Bottom line it is a
> comedy.
>> If Tim the tool man Taylor was a normal home improvement guy would it be
>> funny?
>>
>> brandy pinder
>> Alumni Council - second vice Chairman
>> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc? and America's VetDogs?, The
>> Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc? Providing "Second uSight"? since 1946
>>
>> 371 E. Jericho Turnpike smith town ny 11766
>> Cso: 866-282-8047
>> Email: brandydp at verizon.net
>> Cell: 304-685-4499
>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not
likethe
>> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>>
>>> Marsha drenth
>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>
>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh. I didn't get a
>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published
> about
>> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of good
>> points to say on the show. SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>>> Mike.
>>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>>
>>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this
> thing
>> for one wasn?t funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>>
>>>>> Where did the guy?s family think he went for a month? Or did he just
>> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>>
>>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>>
>>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
>> C?mon.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, and mom?midlife crisis much?
>>>>>
>>>>> I?ll give it another go, but i?m not very optimistic.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 33
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 12:39:09 -0700
>> From: "melissa R green" <graduate56 at juno.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>> Message-ID: <BB74E15504494A5B8ECB03EA5C5A02F8 at HP30910210001>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> It was done nicely. I don't care for commedies much. So I didn't watch
> the
>>
>> intire show. It could have been worse .
>> Have a blessed day.
>> Best,
>> Melissa R Green and PJ
>> Some people come into your life just to teach you how to let go.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Shannon Dyer" <solsticesinger at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 10:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>
>>
>> I'm not a huge TV person, but I watched the first episode just to see
what
>
>> it would be like. There were a few things I liked about it, but I
disliked
>
>> most of it. Still, as many of you have said, it's a comedy. I'll probably
>> watch a few more episodes, just to see where they take it.
>>
>> I did find it odd that it never told us what kind of dog Elvis is
supposed
>
>> to be. It had good description, but did they just sort of forget to
> include
>> that part?
>>
>> I didn't like the stuff about the dog eating human food either.
>>
>> I thought the denial of access at the hotel was nicely dealt with.
>>
>> Shannon and the Acelet
>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Brandy Pinder <bdpinder at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Howard and all all
>>> Martia was speaking to the tone of mikes email. Honestly gdf didn't tell
>>> any grads about the show and I know gdui members who did not attend gdf
>>> who helped nbc with consultations as well as I'm sure nfb. So gdf could
>>> care less if we like it or not. There will probably be gdf grads who
hate
>
>>> it. We all have different senses of humor. Smile
>>>
>>> brandy pinder
>>> Alumni Council - second vice Chairman
>>> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc?
>>> and America's VetDogs?, The Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc?
>>> Providing "Second uSight"? since 1946
>>>
>>> 371 E. Jericho Turnpike smith town ny 11766
>>> Cso: 866-282-8047
>>> Email: brandydp at verizon.net
>>> Cell: 304-685-4499
>>>
>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:44 AM, "Howard J. Levine" <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Buddy from another ham operator, you where not nasty and you need to
>>>> look
>>>> at where Marsha was coming from. She is looking out for GDF. You where
>>>> just
>>>> to guys talking about a show. To GDF and other's it is about money and
>>>> would
>>>> like us to be quite and say thank you so much for our dogs and keep our
>>>> opinions to our self.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy
Brannan
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 11:23 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure what wasn't nice about my opinion. It wasn't funny, simple
>>>> as
>>>> that.
>>>> --
>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:13 AM, Howard J. Levine <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Come on Marsha no one was nasty, did GDF call you. We have a right
>>>> to our opinion's and please don't hold blind people to higher stand
then
>>>> sighted people. It is tv show and we can have opinion just like the
rest
>
>>>> of
>>>> the country. I understand that this show is being back byGDF and it is
>>>> all
>>>> about money. WE as blind people have same rights rest of the country
and
>>>> don't need to kiss as just so we can get a guide dog.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha
> Drenth
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:47 AM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>>>>
>>>>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not
>>>>> likethe
>>>> show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>>>>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>>>>
>>>>> Marsha drenth
>>>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh. I didn't get
a
>>>> chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the NFB published
>>>> about
>>>> it, and while I am not a fan of them all the time they had a lot of
good
>>>> points to say on the show. SO I think I'll take them over you.
>>>>>> Mike.
>>>>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it ended
>>>> eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy or no, this
>>>> thing
>>>> for one wasn't funny. For another, oh, where to begin?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where did the guy's family think he went for a month? Or did he just
>>>> pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For real?
>>>> C'mon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, and mom.midlife crisis much?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll give it another go, but i'm not very optimistic.
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>> Message: 34
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 12:41:47 -0700
>> From: "melissa R green" <graduate56 at juno.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] New Dog and Changing the Nam was RE: Age of
>> Qualifying Guide Dogs
>> Message-ID: <35DD8404B0B84D459AAE347A39434BEA at HP30910210001>
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>>
>> My girl has lots of names for her. She even knows the name that I give
> her
>> in public, when there is someone I don't want to know her name. She
waggs
>
>> her tail like yes, that is me.
>> Have a blessed day.
>> Best,
>> Melissa R Green and PJ
>> Some people come into your life just to teach you how to let go.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "sheila" <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 10:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] New Dog and Changing the Nam was RE: Age of
> Qualifying
>> Guide Dogs
>>
>>
>> Tres is officially tres but he is also tresdog, tresers, tresie.
>> On 2/21/2014 9:21 PM, Darla Rogers wrote:
>>> Hi Nicole,
>>>
>>> I almost did once: I had an N yellow Labrador names Nectar; then,
>>> the next dog I get from the same school, was a yellow lab named Nuance.
>>> While they do not sound alike at all, my preference might have been for
> a
>>> different breed or different name.
>>> I wasn't so sure about Huck either, but now I can't imagine him
>>> being anything but Huck or Huck the Puck or Huckleberry-Bee."
>>> Darla
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole
>>> Torcolini
>>> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 8:09 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Subject: [nagdu] New Dog and Changing the Nam was RE: Age of Qualifying
>>> Guide Dogs
>>>
>>> Okay, so, JMHO, there are two things going on here. No, I am not really
>>> one
>>> to talk as I am only on my first guide dog, but I think that you kind of
>>> have to be over the loss of your last dog at least a little before you
> get
>>> your next one. Every dog is different. You might ask for the same breed
>>> and
>>> the same gender and the same personality and the same whatever else, but
>>> it
>>> is a different dog, so you can't expect the dog to do the exact same
> thing
>>> that the last dog did, especially right away.
>>> Second, I don't like the idea of changing the name of your guide dog.
>>> Things
>>> are confusing enough for the dogs when they are learning to work with
>>> their
>>> new handlers, so the last thing that they need is a different name. One
> of
>>> the few situations in which I believe that changing the name of the dog
>>> is
>>> warranted is if it isn't really a name or it's a name that, for
whatever,
>>> just does not work (e.g., you cannot pronounce it). In that case, you
>>> would
>>> probably change the name a little later.
>>> Someone I know received a dog named Power. No offense, but that is not a
>>> name. The person renamed the dog Howard, which is different but not so
>>> different that the dog would have a hard time adapting to it. Also, I do
>>> not
>>> know when the person renamed the dog, but I imagine that it was not
right
>>> away.
>>>
>>> Nicole and Lexia
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy
Carcione
>>> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 5:26 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Age of Qualifying Guide Dogs
>>>
>>> Hi Raven.
>>> Oh, just you wait! I bet there's not a retrain alive who hasn't called
>>> the
>>> new dog by the old dog's name at least once.
>>> When one of my classmates at TSE was having trouble with his new dog's
>>> name,
>>> our trainer told him he couldn't go home until he remembered his dog's
>>> name!
>>>
>>> I was much amused.
>>> Sometimes I entertain myself by thinking of possible dog names. I've
>>> decided the best of them is Um, since, after 6 dogs, Um is the first
> thing
>>> that comes to mind as I mentally run through the list to get to the
right
>>> name.
>>>
>>> Also, though I try to not rush my new dogs, I do have to go to work and
>>> commute. I've already taken at least 3 weeks off; taking another is out
> of
>>> the question. I probably wouldn't go out to dinner and a show after
> work,
>>> at least for a couple weeks, but I do have things that need to get done.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Raven Tolliver" <ravend729 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 3:54 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Age of Qualifying Guide Dogs
>>>
>>>
>>> Um, no. It was not all work-related. It was just a guy who likes to go
> out
>>> and stay out a lot. Restaurants, stops at numerous stores, subway
> stations
>>> and so on. I think it was just too much all at once. He also might have
>>> been
>>> very hard on him expecting his dog to find things and show him things
the
>>> way his previous dog did. Too, this guy retired his former guide on
> Friday
>>> and received the replacement the next Wednesday, so there were a few
>>> things
>>> at play there. He would call his new boy by his old guide's name. And he
>>> would constantly reminisce about his former guide. That's
understandable,
>>> but I think it played a role in that dog stressing out.
>>>
>>> On 2/20/14, Darla Rogers <djrogers0628 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Dear Julie and Raven,
>>>>
>>>> Most schools, if memory serves, do tell you that; sometimes, you have
>>>> to return to work, but it sounds like the person you refer to here
>>>> could have added activities gradually.
>>>> If they were all work-related, I don't know what to say.
>>>> Darla & Huck
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven
>>>> Tolliver
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 11:50 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Age of Qualifying Guide Dogs
>>>>
>>>> Julie,
>>>> I like your idea of easing a dog into fulltime work. I think it's an
>>>> unconventional, but rather practical and sensible concept. Many guide
>>>> dogs, no matter the age, are not afforded that opportunity. They just
>>>> go from working for an hour or 2 each day to working fulltime and I'm
>>>> sure that contributes to some of the stress on both dog and handler.
>>>> I know of a New Yorker who got a dog. They seemed well-match. This guy
>>>> was constantly on the go, and he received an adorable ball of energy.
>>>> After he got home, I guess he asked way too much of his dog. It seemed
>>>> that he wanted to resume the fast-paced, here there and everywhere
>>>> lifestyle he'd had before without taking time and consideration to
>>>> acclimate his dog to his home, familiar routes, lifestyle, and
>>>> routine. The dog stressed out and started ignoring cues while working.
>>>> The dog was returned, and fortunately placed with someone else a
>>>> couple months later. But it was a great lesson to this guy to ease his
>>>> dog into such a rigorous work routine.
>>>> Being an energetic dog on the go is fine, but being an energetic dog
>>>> on the go, and working is a different thing, and it wears on a dog.
>>>> And it's a lot to expect so immediately for some dogs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/20/14, Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>> Hi, Julie,
>>>>>
>>>>> That's great! I think it is an itneresting concept! *smiles* Good
>>>>> on
>>>> ya!
>>>>> Daryl
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Julie J. <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 09:51:12 -0700 (MST)
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Age of Qualifying Guide Dogs
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, you have it exactly right! Monty is my current guide, who I
>>>>> owner trained. I also owner trained my previous guides. I have
>>>>> never attended a program. My next guide, Jetta, I plan on picking up
>>>>> from the trainer this fall. when exactly depends on when she is
>>>>> ready, when I can find a driver and the weather. I'm in Nebraska and
>>>>> the trainer
>>>> is in Wisconsin.
>>>>> Jetta is a Doberman. I purchased her from a breeder here in Nebraska.
>>>>> I brought her home when she was 8 weeks old. she stayed with me for
>>>>> about 10 days. she was an adorable puppy! She has been with the
>>>>> trainer
>>>> ever since.
>>>>> Meghan Whalen is the trainer. she is also a member of this list.
>>>>> She is blind and has owner trained one guide dog, raised several
>>>>> puppies, and has trained several guide/service dogs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Owner training isn't particularly difficult, but it is incredibly
>>>>> time consuming. It requires a lot of planning and a daily commitment
>>>>> to doing the work. I'm at a place in my life where I have other
>>>>> things I'd rather be doing, so I went with a trainer this time. I'm
>>>>> very picky about what I want in a guide and none of the current
>>>>> programs offer exactly what I want. My list of must have's includes
>>>>> full ownership with no strings attached, my breed of choice, clicker
>>>>> training,
>>>> use of food rewards and premium foods.
>>>>> I'm also very excited about picking out my own puppy, getting updates
>>>>> throughout the process, deciding what and how I want my dog trained,
>>>>> off leash manners, knowing the puppy raiser/trainer, minimal moves
>>>>> between homes, no kennel environment and the ability to see my puppy
>>>>> if I
>>>> choose.
>>>>> I'm about 6 months into the process. So far I'm very, extremely
>>>>> pleased.
>>>>> I do miss Jetta and wish I lived closer so I could visit more often,
>>>>> but I have no desire to actually do the training myself. It's been
>>>>> five years since I trained Monty, but I still vividly remember how
>>>>> much
>>>> work it is.
>>>>> This has been the perfect solution for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Daryl Marie
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 10:28 AM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Age of Qualifying Guide Dogs
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie, I've come late to the party... can you explain a little about
>>>>> what you are doing? Looks like, from what I have read, Monty was an
>>>>> owner-trained guide dog and Jetta is being trained by a trainer
>>>>> somewhere? I am curious.
>>>>>
>>>>> Daryl
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Julie J. <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 09:17:07 -0700 (MST)
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Age of Qualifying Guide Dogs
>>>>>
>>>>> This topic has been very interesting to me. My current plan is that
>>>>> Jetta will come back to me at about 16 months old. she will be fully
>>>> trained at
>>>>> that point. I have always planned to work both Jetta and Monty part
>>>> time,
>>>>> switching back and forth, so Jetta can ease into guiding and Monty
>>>>> can ease into retirement. We'll see how that works out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jetta is 8 months old right now and she doesn't have any of the bad
>>>>> manners described of young dogs. She doesn't resource guard, mouth
>>>>> people, pull on leash or chew up stuff. Perhaps she hasn't come into
>>>>> true adolescence yet and she'll go crazy doing all sorts of bad
>>>>> stuff, but
>>>> I kind of doubt it.
>>>>> I'm sure she will do some of the testing and asserting her ideas in
>>>>> the next few months. Honestly though, I am pretty confident that
>>>>> she'll be ready at a young age. She has never been a crazy, out of
>>>>> control puppy and I don't see why that won't continue.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do realize that no matter how nice her behavior and manners are,
>>>>> there is physical and mental development that doesn't occur until
>>>>> later. I'll need to be mindful of that and not ask her to do more
>>>>> than
>>>> she can.
>>>>> Perhaps being an owner trainer and now having Jetta privately trained
>>>>> is a different situation from the discussion here. I don't know.
>>>>> All of my dogs have eased into the role of guiding. There has not
>>>>> been an abrupt change from being trained to being totally responsible
>>>>> for guiding. I have done that transition gradually. I let the dog
>>>>> guide when he can and train in situations he isn't ready to navigate.
>>>>> It sounds complicated, but really it doesn't require much thought.
>>>>> You know what your dog can do and what he can't.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jetta will be different, of course. Still I'm used to working young
>>>>> dogs in limited situations and letting them get their sea legs, so to
>>>> speak.
>>>>> Perhaps if I lived in a big city or traveled a ton or had other more
>>>>> high intensity lifestyle, then an older dog would be the way to go.
>>>>> I don't know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Raven Tolliver
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:58 AM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Age of Qualifying Guide Dogs
>>>>>
>>>>> 15 months? Whoa! That is playing with fire.
>>>>> When I made the assembly line reference, I was referring to the way
>>>>> guide dogs themselves are evaluated and trained at certain schools.
>>>>> It is more an assembly line for the dogs than the people. The
>>>>> matching process at any place better be as meticulous as possible. I
>>>>> would expect that from the worst schools.
>>>>> I guess I am very sensitive to the age issue because I deal with
>>>>> adolescent and adult dogs of multiple breeds on a regular basis. I've
>>>>> seen firsthand the difference 6 months can make.
>>>>> I am also passionate about this issue, because I am hearing what I
>>>>> call horror stories about these young dogs being sent home with
>>>>> people. Resource guarding, mouthiness, unnecessary retrieving,
>>>>> horrible leash manners, and flat out refusal to work some days and
>>>>> then eagerness to work others. Schools telling people their dogs will
>>>>> "grow out of it." Well, I sure hope so! It's just too bad they
>>>>> couldn't wait till the dog was well-refined before they handed it
>>>>> over.
>>>>> I'm not sure how new or traditional this is, schools putting out dogs
>>>>> so young, but I know that in other countries, schools don't dream of
>>>>> issuing adolescent dogs, and other assistance dog programs don't
>>>>> either, and for a multitude of good reasons. I think the economy
>>>>> might have something to do with this. Just maybe? The earlier you put
>>>>> dogs out, the less money you have to spend providing for them,
>>>>> especially when you have a large breeding stock, number of litters or
>>>>> gdits on the docket.
>>>>> This is not to bash any school or to undermine the relationship or
>>>>> stability of any of the little ones working out there. However, the
>>>>> differences in age are quiet noticeable, and the consensus is out.
>>>>> Some programs and trainers choose to ignore that, and they are doing
>>>>> a number of dogs and handlers a great disservice. Not everyone, but a
>>>>> great number, for sure.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/20/14, Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> oh, Jenny is a wiggler! My husband has nicknamed her "wiggles". I
>>>>>> don't mind so much if she's out of harness and old friends come and
>>>>>> say hi. But when she meets new people, I always remind her "manners"
>>>>>> and it seems to calm her down. it's cute!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Daryl
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Deanna Lewis <DLewis at clovernook.org>
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 07:37:09 -0700 (MST)
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Age of Qualifying Guide Dogs
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pascal was 19 months old when I received him in 2009, and he was one
>>>>>> of the youngest dogs in our class. Most of the other dogs were about
>>>>>> 22 months old.
>>>>>> He has always been very mature, and very well behaved. He didn't
>>>>>> want to lie down on floors or get underneath tables, for the first
>>>>>> few months. And, he seemed to mature at lot once he hit 3 years old.
>>>>>> He has never been one of those wiggly labs, you know the ones who
>>>>>> get so excited their whole body wiggles! LOL One of my co-workers
>>>>>> just got a dog that is only 15 months old. She is very puppy like!
>>>>>> Deanna and Pascal
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sherry
>>>>>> Gomes
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 5:37 PM
>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Age of Qualifying Guide Dogs
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the same could apply to labs. My current guide is a reissue,
>>>>>> so she was three when we trained together. what a difference! I
>>>>>> don't want my next guide to be 18 months old as so many are when
>>>>>> graduating. Two years old is the youngest I'd want and I'd jump to
>>>>>> have a reissue again. Though having said that, Bianca, who was about
>>>>>> 2 when we trained and is 13 now is still young at heart and full of
>>>>>> spirit and a sort of happy puppy mentality.
>>>>>> Olga,
>>>>>> my working guide is 8 and has a very old soul. I'm sure she was
>>>>>> always that way even when she was a baby.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tami
>>>>>> Jarvis
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 12:01 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Age of Qualifying Guide Dogs
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ooh! Research! Poodles are said to mature later, both physically and
>>>>>> mentally, and I did find that with mine. She really came into her
>>>>>> own between 3 and 4. Then again, I've heard of a few people getting
>>>>>> really young poodles that seem to work out well. Okay. Off to read.
>>>>>> /smile/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tami
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 02/19/2014 10:22 AM, "Leye-Shprintse ?berg" wrote:
>>>>>>> BS"D
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Raven,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * "... I did some research and found a study on Seeing Eye dogs
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>> concluded that goldens and GSds are more successful as guide dogs if
>>>>>> they're formal guide training is longer than the standard 4 months.
>>>>>> This is because these dogs mature around age 2, not 1.5 or 1.75
>>>>>> years, which is when many schools seem to be pushing dogs through.
>>>>>> Here's the link to the abstract.
>>>>>> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1558787806000256
>>>>>> ..."
>>>>>>> I think this is very interesting. I know that SRF:s
>>>>>>> Ledarhundsverksamhet
>>>>>> (Guide Dogs Sweden) took the decision that the dogs needed to be
>>>>>> between the age of 2 and 3 years when they did the qualifying test
>>>>>> some years ago. The dogs here generally get around seven months of
>>>>>> training by a guide dog trainer. Anyhow, they think this has led to
>>>>>> more stable partnerships; I've any statestics tough.
>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>> Leye-Shprintse and Hera <3
>>>>>>>
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