[nagdu] {Disarmed} Fw: Can you believe Starbucks did this to a veteran!

Christel Sogenbits christel.chrissu at gmail.com
Fri Feb 28 07:47:41 UTC 2014


Hello!

It may sound vierd but sometimes im really sad and fustrated  that in Estonia  theres basicly nobody who will deal with  service dogs gear. It is always so much trouble when  I want something for my guide dog Roosi. Or somebody else wants something, for example harnesses. Allso we dont have laws for people with guide dog access, only decrees city by city or parish by parish.   
But allso, beacuse we are so small country  it is easyer to educate people for access issues. Sometimes it is vierd to think that we have conventions  on Europe level but beacuse there is no word of guide dogs then people think that  guide dog is  not a aid for a disabled person like a wheelchair is an aid. 
Thanks for reading and give a hug to your 4 legged partners!


Tervitades / With greetings
Christel Sogenbits
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-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla Rogers
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 7:04 AM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] {Disarmed} Fw: Can you believe Starbucks did this to a veteran!

Hi Tami,

	You are right on all counts; unless it is something I absolutely positively must do now, I will not show my ID, of which I am very proud, but it isn't required, so I'm not doing it.
	Those companies--and I understand there are many--sell all kinds of junk to "legitimize" their animals, and that causes problems for all of us, especially owner/trainers or privately trained dogs with which I have no problem.
	It seem, at least, anecdotally, there are more problems  with service dogs because they are given to children and adults who do not know how to  take responsibility; those who could and don't and the depraved people who think it's neat to have a service dog but wouldn't want to trade the dog for the disability.
Darla  & Happy Huck

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tami Jarvis
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:49 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] {Disarmed} Fw: Can you believe Starbucks did this to a veteran!

Darla,

As far as I can tell, it's a marketing e-mail sales pitch for those kits, trying to convince people that there is such a thing as service dog registration. So it's somebody trying to make money off of service dog users, not service dog users themselves.

The market in such kits came about as a result of those program IDs people use to gain access, often while telling everyone in earshot that the ID and the harness mean their dog has to be let in the door. There is at least one program that trains other types of dogs that also issues an ID and has special vests which their grads tell everyone give the dog the right to come in the store. Sometimes reps from one or another of these programs will go about educating businesses to ask for ID and explaining that a dog must be wearing a special harness or vest to have the right to access. This makes those of us who come behind them grumpy and business owners grumpy because they believed it and nearly got their butts fined and sued. No fun!

Service dog users without those IDs would rather the users of program dogs would just quit showing theirs. Some will buy or make cards just to save themselves time and trouble, but many prefer to have the law followed and just learn self-advocacy. If service dog users who don't use special equipment buy vests and patches, it's in an effort to keep people from molesting their working dogs. Most know there is nothing there to do with the right to public access. Not all, and there is more misinformation floating around these days than truth, but most do know the law and their rights and responsibilities.

So the programs still give out IDs and tell people how to misuse them (or so it seems), and people still make money off of the whole thing. 
Also, education about the 2-question rule has to be done over and over because it keeps being undone. Out here, I am really glad I do not have to re-educate all the time after someone has done the bit with the program ID. Saves me tons of time! Although these articles that keep cropping up have given me practice in self-advocacy; I can tell it comes from one of the articles and almost which one by the wording I hear. 
Irritating, but so far I've just had to coach someone through the 2-question rule and make sure her manager knew the right way and was giving proper education to staff. When she first asked if I had brought my papers, I didn't know she was talking to me. /lol/ Papers for the dog, really? And me without my briefcase! Wonder what it will be next?

Tami

On 02/27/2014 02:55 PM, Darla Rogers wrote:
> This sounds very self-serving to me; a vest or badge proves absolutely nothing.  All the Starbuck's employee could ask is what tasks the dog perform to mitigate the person's disability.
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> 	I am tired of the service dog movement riding on our coattails; they need to police themselves; nobody would notice, except they often want to be noticed.
> Darla & handsome Huck
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> Can you believe Starbucks did this to a veteran!
> Service Dog ID Kits prevent situations like this...
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> "You’re not blind….You can’t have your dog in here!"Sounds harsh right? It’s reality. This is exactly what Yancy Baer and his service dog were told recently after entering a Houston Starbucks. He was simply trying to enjoy his morning like anybody else and meet a friend for a cup of coffee. However he found he was a victim of discrimination as a Starbucks worker attempted to force him to prove his disability.
> This continues to be a major problem in our society today because there are far too many people just like this Starbucks employee that think only the blind have service dogs. You and I both know this isn’t true of course and it’s exactly why we provide Service Dog and Emotional Support Animal ID’s, Certificates, and Vests. If Yancy had an ID hanging from his service dog he most likely would have been spared the humiliation and embarrassment that came from being called out in the middle of a busy Starbucks. We’re here to prevent anything like this ever happening to you when traveling or just going out into public with your service dog.
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