[nagdu] physicians in it for the money?

Fri Jan 3 19:38:08 UTC 2014

On 1/3/14, Michael Hingson <Mike at michaelhingson.com> wrote:
> By the way, concerning the issue of vets being in it for the money, most
> vets are in it for the animals and their humans.  Many studies have shown
> over and over again that it costs as much for vets to go to schools as any
> other doctor.  After school vets pay has traditionally been 1/4 that of
> doctors.  Vets have been raising prices as many people have noted, but it
> has simply been a matter of survival.
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> Michael Hingson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shannon Dyer
> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 10:44 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] heartworm prevention
>
> Hi, Tina.
>
> This was a very insightful post. Often, vets are in it for the money. We see
> this in the extremely expensive prices some vets would have us pay. Having
> said that, I wholeheartedly agree with your assertion that the best thing we
> can do for ourselves, our dogs, and those around us is to make informed
> choices. I have no plans to stop giving heartworm preventative.
>
> Shannon and the Acelet
> On Jan 3, 2014, at 12:29 PM, "Tina Thomas" <judotina48kg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Your claims	 that some vets are just in it for the money might have some
>> merit. However, speaking from someone who lives on the west coast and
>> trusts the vet I'm working with, I think I will rely on her research,
>> knowledge as well as having 30 years of experience working with
>> animals. I am not willing to gamble with the health of my dog or put
>> someone else's dog at risk by not being mindful of mites and fleas
>> that can infect my dog as well as someone s else's dog based on
>> sources sited on the internet. The best we as a dog handling community
>> can do for ourselves, is to evaluate our lifestyle and what we do day
>> to day with our dogs, so that we can make an informed choice to what is
>> best for us and our dogs to have a long and lasting partnership.
>> Tina and the girls
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven
>> Tolliver
>> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 8:34 AM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] heartworm prevention
>>
>> the heartworm pill does not prevent heartworm, it is a pesticide that
>> kills heartworm babies. Nothing can stop your dog from getting
>> heartworm unless it can stop mosquitoes infected with heartworm from
>> biting your dog. You can reduce mosquito bites with mosquito control,
>> but obviously, that is not 100%. The ultimate solution to fending off
>> pests and fighting worms is a healthy immune system.
>> Getting a heartworm infestation is far more difficult than vets and
>> drug companies would have us believe. There are 7 steps necessary for
>> an
>> infestation:
>> Step 1: A hungry female mosquito of a certain species must bite your dog.
>> Female mosquitoes act as airborne incubators for premature baby
>> heartworms (called microfilariae). Mosquitoes thrive in warm, humid
>> conditions, as I stated in an earlier post.
>> Step 2: Our hungry mosquito needs access to a dog already infected
>> with sexually mature male andfemale heartworms that have produced babies.
>> Step 3: The heartworm babies must be at the L1 stage of development
>> when the mosquito bites the dog and withdraws blood.
>> Step 4:  Ten to fourteen days later — if the temperature is right –the
>> microfilariae mature inside the mosquito to the infective L3 stage
>> then migrate to the mosquito’s mouth. (Yum!) Step 5:  Madame mosquito
>> transmits the L3′s to your dog’s skin with a bite. Then, if all
>> conditions are right, the L3′s develop in the skin for three to four
>> months (to the L5 stage) before making their way into your dog’s
>> blood.  But your dog still isn’t doomed.
>> Step 6:   Only if the dog’s immune system doesn’t rid the dog of these
>> worms do the heartworms develop to adulthood.
>> Step 7:   It takes approximately six months for the surviving larvae
>> to achieve maturity. At this point, the adult heartworms may produce
>> babies if there are both males and females, but the kiddies will die
>> unless a mosquito carrying L3′s intervenes.  Otherwise, the adults
>> will live several years then die.
>> In summation, a particular species of mosquito must bite a dog
>> infected with circulating L1 heartworm babies, must carry the babies
>> to stage L3 and then must bite your dog. The adult worms and babies
>> will eventually die off in the dog unless your dog is bitten again!
>> Also, heartworms Development Requires Sustained Day & Night Weather
>> Above 57˚F ...
>> The University of Pennsylvania vet school (in a study funded by
>> Merial) found: “Development in the mosquito is temperature dependent,
>> requiring approximately two weeks of temperature at or above 27C (80F).
>> Below a threshold temperature of 14C (57F), development cannot occur,
>> and the cycle will be halted. As a result, transmission is limited to
>> warm months, and duration of the transmission season varies
>> geographically.”
>> ...
>> The Washington State University vet school reports that laboratory
>> studies show that maturation of the worms requires “the equivalent of
>> a steady 24-hour daily temperature in excess of 64°F (18°C) for
>> approximately one month.”  In other words, it has to be warm day AND
>> night or development is retarded even if the average temperature is
>> sufficiently warm. They add, that at 80° F, “10 to 14 days are
>> required for development of microfilariae to the infective stage.”
>> Jerold Theis, DVM, PhD, says, “If the mean monthly temperature is only
>> a few degrees above 14 degrees centigrade [57 degrees F] it can take
>> so many days for infective larvae to develop that the likelihood of
>> the female mosquito living that long is remote.”
>> https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/heartworm-medication-part-1-trut
>> hs-om
>> issions-and-profits/
>>
>> http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2010/08/03/wh
>> y-hav ent-pet-owners-been-told-these-facts-about-heartworm.aspx
>>
>> The vets at Holistic Vet Center say:  “… monthly heartworm
>> preventatives are actually 100% effective if given every 45 days and
>> 99% effective if given every 60 days.”
>> https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/heartworm-medication-part-2/
>>
>> Also, people need to understand that heartworm positive results is not
>> a death sentence. there are various herbs which treat heartworm; and
>> there is also Heartworm Free, which is both a preventative and treatment.
>> http://www.heartwormfree.com/heartworm_prevention.htm
>>
>> If you do a Google search for heartworm development and temperature,
>> you will see the same facts on numerous websites.
>> Sorry, vets are in it for the money, and the vets at guide dog schools
>> are no more competent than the four vets I visited with my golden. You
>> know that money is a top priority in the guide dog programs because
>> they feed the dogs foods like Iams, Proplan, insert low-cost, low
>> quality dog food here. And these vets truly think that these brands of
>> kibble are healthy. Any vet who says things like: "Iams is a healthy
>> kibble," or "Eating kibble cleans your dog's teeth," are not good vets
>> in my opinion. Statements such as these demonstrate that a vet is
>> concerned about money over health.
>> Statements such as these come from the same vets who say give
>> heartworm preventative once a month, even when there's not a chance of
>> mosquitoes appearing for more than half the year. If you live in
>> states with climates similar to Florida or Texas, I can understand
>> where they're coming from. But in regions like the Northeast and Midwest,
>> that is just overkill.
>> --
>> Raven
>>
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