[nagdu] physicians in it for the money?

Fri Jan 3 20:11:43 UTC 2014

Well, yes. But, remember that medical testing, treatment and running offices 
are also expensive. And, medical insurances don't cover the costs like what 
happens if we go to hospital. I always look at all of my medical bills 
including those from the vet. A lot of stuff is actually cheaper as compared 
with human care. I would imagine that vets have to pay a lot of overhead 
begfore making any money. Everyone wants a successful practice and those who 
have one have to charge for it! Also, many vets give of there time at local 
animal shelters, farms andeven bird projects such as raptor rescue. The only 
vet I see who makes a lot of money is Doctor pohl on tv.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Raven Tolliver" <ravend729 at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] physicians in it for the money?


> Vets are in it for the money because their education and practices are
> supported by dog food and pharmaceutical companies. If you think
> traditional vets charge a lot for their families and businesses to
> survive, check out the rates of holistic vets or veterinary
> homeopaths. They charge even more because they refuse to practice
> conventional medicine and sell the products that the big food and drug
> companies push in veterinary school. Veterinary homeopaths don't
> over-vaccinate, sell processed dog food, or any pharmaceuticals, so
> they lose out on any income that traditional vets make from those
> foods and drugs. Veterinary homeopaths charge higher rates because
> they do not have food companies supporting their practice if they sell
> x number of bags or cans of food. These are the people who are in it
> for animals and their providers because despite the fact that they
> make less money than their traditional counterparts, they are still
> determined to practice medicine that does not poison pets and cause
> cancer, organ failure, auto immune-deficiencies, and a myriad of other
> diseases and disorders that come with filling animals with vaccines
> and processed foods.
> One of the reasons why many traditional veterinarians refuse to stop
> pushing so many vaccinations annually or triennially is because they
> would lose out on so much money if they did; their businesses would go
> under. Yes, some are simply misguided or uneducated, but I have talked
> to multiple vets who have their pets on completely different
> vaccination schedules than their office recommends. They choose to
> vaccinate far less. That says something, don't you think?
> If most vets are in it for the animals and their providers, why do
> they over-vaccinate pets? Why do they administer, prescribe, or
> recommend medications that are unnecessary and harmful to pets? Why do
> they recommend feeding foods that cause more health problems rather
> than recommending diets that prevent them?
>
>
> On 1/3/14, Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 1/3/14, Michael Hingson <Mike at michaelhingson.com> wrote:
>>> By the way, concerning the issue of vets being in it for the money, most
>>> vets are in it for the animals and their humans.  Many studies have 
>>> shown
>>> over and over again that it costs as much for vets to go to schools as
>>> any
>>> other doctor.  After school vets pay has traditionally been 1/4 that of
>>> doctors.  Vets have been raising prices as many people have noted, but 
>>> it
>>> has simply been a matter of survival.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Hingson
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shannon Dyer
>>> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 10:44 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] heartworm prevention
>>>
>>> Hi, Tina.
>>>
>>> This was a very insightful post. Often, vets are in it for the money. We
>>> see
>>> this in the extremely expensive prices some vets would have us pay.
>>> Having
>>> said that, I wholeheartedly agree with your assertion that the best 
>>> thing
>>> we
>>> can do for ourselves, our dogs, and those around us is to make informed
>>> choices. I have no plans to stop giving heartworm preventative.
>>>
>>> Shannon and the Acelet
>>> On Jan 3, 2014, at 12:29 PM, "Tina Thomas" <judotina48kg at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Your claims that some vets are just in it for the money might have some
>>>> merit. However, speaking from someone who lives on the west coast and
>>>> trusts the vet I'm working with, I think I will rely on her research,
>>>> knowledge as well as having 30 years of experience working with
>>>> animals. I am not willing to gamble with the health of my dog or put
>>>> someone else's dog at risk by not being mindful of mites and fleas
>>>> that can infect my dog as well as someone s else's dog based on
>>>> sources sited on the internet. The best we as a dog handling community
>>>> can do for ourselves, is to evaluate our lifestyle and what we do day
>>>> to day with our dogs, so that we can make an informed choice to what is
>>>> best for us and our dogs to have a long and lasting partnership.
>>>> Tina and the girls
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven
>>>> Tolliver
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 8:34 AM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] heartworm prevention
>>>>
>>>> the heartworm pill does not prevent heartworm, it is a pesticide that
>>>> kills heartworm babies. Nothing can stop your dog from getting
>>>> heartworm unless it can stop mosquitoes infected with heartworm from
>>>> biting your dog. You can reduce mosquito bites with mosquito control,
>>>> but obviously, that is not 100%. The ultimate solution to fending off
>>>> pests and fighting worms is a healthy immune system.
>>>> Getting a heartworm infestation is far more difficult than vets and
>>>> drug companies would have us believe. There are 7 steps necessary for
>>>> an
>>>> infestation:
>>>> Step 1: A hungry female mosquito of a certain species must bite your
>>>> dog.
>>>> Female mosquitoes act as airborne incubators for premature baby
>>>> heartworms (called microfilariae). Mosquitoes thrive in warm, humid
>>>> conditions, as I stated in an earlier post.
>>>> Step 2: Our hungry mosquito needs access to a dog already infected
>>>> with sexually mature male andfemale heartworms that have produced
>>>> babies.
>>>> Step 3: The heartworm babies must be at the L1 stage of development
>>>> when the mosquito bites the dog and withdraws blood.
>>>> Step 4:  Ten to fourteen days later — if the temperature is right –the
>>>> microfilariae mature inside the mosquito to the infective L3 stage
>>>> then migrate to the mosquito’s mouth. (Yum!) Step 5:  Madame mosquito
>>>> transmits the L3′s to your dog’s skin with a bite. Then, if all
>>>> conditions are right, the L3′s develop in the skin for three to four
>>>> months (to the L5 stage) before making their way into your dog’s
>>>> blood.  But your dog still isn’t doomed.
>>>> Step 6:   Only if the dog’s immune system doesn’t rid the dog of these
>>>> worms do the heartworms develop to adulthood.
>>>> Step 7:   It takes approximately six months for the surviving larvae
>>>> to achieve maturity. At this point, the adult heartworms may produce
>>>> babies if there are both males and females, but the kiddies will die
>>>> unless a mosquito carrying L3′s intervenes.  Otherwise, the adults
>>>> will live several years then die.
>>>> In summation, a particular species of mosquito must bite a dog
>>>> infected with circulating L1 heartworm babies, must carry the babies
>>>> to stage L3 and then must bite your dog. The adult worms and babies
>>>> will eventually die off in the dog unless your dog is bitten again!
>>>> Also, heartworms Development Requires Sustained Day & Night Weather
>>>> Above 57˚F ...
>>>> The University of Pennsylvania vet school (in a study funded by
>>>> Merial) found: “Development in the mosquito is temperature dependent,
>>>> requiring approximately two weeks of temperature at or above 27C (80F).
>>>> Below a threshold temperature of 14C (57F), development cannot occur,
>>>> and the cycle will be halted. As a result, transmission is limited to
>>>> warm months, and duration of the transmission season varies
>>>> geographically.”
>>>> ...
>>>> The Washington State University vet school reports that laboratory
>>>> studies show that maturation of the worms requires “the equivalent of
>>>> a steady 24-hour daily temperature in excess of 64°F (18°C) for
>>>> approximately one month.”  In other words, it has to be warm day AND
>>>> night or development is retarded even if the average temperature is
>>>> sufficiently warm. They add, that at 80° F, “10 to 14 days are
>>>> required for development of microfilariae to the infective stage.”
>>>> Jerold Theis, DVM, PhD, says, “If the mean monthly temperature is only
>>>> a few degrees above 14 degrees centigrade [57 degrees F] it can take
>>>> so many days for infective larvae to develop that the likelihood of
>>>> the female mosquito living that long is remote.”
>>>> https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/heartworm-medication-part-1-trut
>>>> hs-om
>>>> issions-and-profits/
>>>>
>>>> http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2010/08/03/wh
>>>> y-hav ent-pet-owners-been-told-these-facts-about-heartworm.aspx
>>>>
>>>> The vets at Holistic Vet Center say:  “… monthly heartworm
>>>> preventatives are actually 100% effective if given every 45 days and
>>>> 99% effective if given every 60 days.”
>>>> https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/heartworm-medication-part-2/
>>>>
>>>> Also, people need to understand that heartworm positive results is not
>>>> a death sentence. there are various herbs which treat heartworm; and
>>>> there is also Heartworm Free, which is both a preventative and
>>>> treatment.
>>>> http://www.heartwormfree.com/heartworm_prevention.htm
>>>>
>>>> If you do a Google search for heartworm development and temperature,
>>>> you will see the same facts on numerous websites.
>>>> Sorry, vets are in it for the money, and the vets at guide dog schools
>>>> are no more competent than the four vets I visited with my golden. You
>>>> know that money is a top priority in the guide dog programs because
>>>> they feed the dogs foods like Iams, Proplan, insert low-cost, low
>>>> quality dog food here. And these vets truly think that these brands of
>>>> kibble are healthy. Any vet who says things like: "Iams is a healthy
>>>> kibble," or "Eating kibble cleans your dog's teeth," are not good vets
>>>> in my opinion. Statements such as these demonstrate that a vet is
>>>> concerned about money over health.
>>>> Statements such as these come from the same vets who say give
>>>> heartworm preventative once a month, even when there's not a chance of
>>>> mosquitoes appearing for more than half the year. If you live in
>>>> states with climates similar to Florida or Texas, I can understand
>>>> where they're coming from. But in regions like the Northeast and
>>>> Midwest,
>>>> that is just overkill.
>>>> --
>>>> Raven
>>>>
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