[nagdu] physicians in it for the money?

Fri Jan 3 23:16:31 UTC 2014

Ohio requires guide dog users to get a rabies shot for our dogs every 3
years.

Chantel and Motley.

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry D. Keeler
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Michigan does every 3 years.
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From: "Darla Rogers" <djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 5:18 PM
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> Hi Raven,
>
> I can agree on all points but one:  States require rabies vaccination 
> here, and in other states once a year; you can't get a license for your 
> dog without it; you could possibly be challenged in another state if 
> someone complained about your dog, and  you'll have more vaccines and 
> tests than you want to go to Hawaii.
> I'm not saying it's right, but until we change the laws, it is what it is.
> Darla
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven Tolliver
> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 1:40 PM
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] physicians in it for the money?
>
> Vets are in it for the money because their education and practices are 
> supported by dog food and pharmaceutical companies. If you think 
> traditional vets charge a lot for their families and businesses to 
> survive, check out the rates of holistic vets or veterinary homeopaths. 
> They charge even more because they refuse to practice conventional 
> medicine and sell the products that the big food and drug companies push 
> in veterinary school. Veterinary homeopaths don't over-vaccinate, sell 
> processed dog food, or any pharmaceuticals, so they lose out on any
income 
> that traditional vets make from those foods and drugs. Veterinary 
> homeopaths charge higher rates because they do not have food companies 
> supporting their practice if they sell x number of bags or cans of food. 
> These are the people who are in it for animals and their providers
because 
> despite the fact that they make less money than their traditional 
> counterparts, they are still determined to practice medicine that does
not 
> poison pets and cause cancer, organ failure, auto immune-deficiencies,
and 
> a myriad of other diseases and disorders that come with filling animals 
> with vaccines and processed foods.
> One of the reasons why many traditional veterinarians refuse to stop 
> pushing so many vaccinations annually or triennially is because they
would 
> lose out on so much money if they did; their businesses would go under. 
> Yes, some are simply misguided or uneducated, but I have talked to 
> multiple vets who have their pets on completely different vaccination 
> schedules than their office recommends. They choose to vaccinate far
less. 
> That says something, don't you think?
> If most vets are in it for the animals and their providers, why do they 
> over-vaccinate pets? Why do they administer, prescribe, or recommend 
> medications that are unnecessary and harmful to pets? Why do they 
> recommend feeding foods that cause more health problems rather than 
> recommending diets that prevent them?
>
>
> On 1/3/14, Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 1/3/14, Michael Hingson <Mike at michaelhingson.com> wrote:
>>> By the way, concerning the issue of vets being in it for the money,
>>> most vets are in it for the animals and their humans.  Many studies
>>> have shown over and over again that it costs as much for vets to go
>>> to schools as any other doctor.  After school vets pay has
>>> traditionally been 1/4 that of doctors.  Vets have been raising
>>> prices as many people have noted, but it has simply been a matter of
>>> survival.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Hingson
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shannon
>>> Dyer
>>> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 10:44 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] heartworm prevention
>>>
>>> Hi, Tina.
>>>
>>> This was a very insightful post. Often, vets are in it for the money.
>>> We see this in the extremely expensive prices some vets would have us
>>> pay.
>>> Having
>>> said that, I wholeheartedly agree with your assertion that the best
>>> thing we can do for ourselves, our dogs, and those around us is to
>>> make informed choices. I have no plans to stop giving heartworm
>>> preventative.
>>>
>>> Shannon and the Acelet
>>> On Jan 3, 2014, at 12:29 PM, "Tina Thomas" <judotina48kg at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Your claims that some vets are just in it for the money might have some
>>>> merit. However, speaking from someone who lives on the west coast
>>>> and trusts the vet I'm working with, I think I will rely on her
>>>> research, knowledge as well as having 30 years of experience working
>>>> with animals. I am not willing to gamble with the health of my dog
>>>> or put someone else's dog at risk by not being mindful of mites and
>>>> fleas that can infect my dog as well as someone s else's dog based
>>>> on sources sited on the internet. The best we as a dog handling
>>>> community can do for ourselves, is to evaluate our lifestyle and
>>>> what we do day to day with our dogs, so that we can make an informed
>>>> choice to what is best for us and our dogs to have a long and lasting 
>>>> partnership.
>>>> Tina and the girls
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven
>>>> Tolliver
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 8:34 AM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] heartworm prevention
>>>>
>>>> the heartworm pill does not prevent heartworm, it is a pesticide
>>>> that kills heartworm babies. Nothing can stop your dog from getting
>>>> heartworm unless it can stop mosquitoes infected with heartworm from
>>>> biting your dog. You can reduce mosquito bites with mosquito
>>>> control, but obviously, that is not 100%. The ultimate solution to
>>>> fending off pests and fighting worms is a healthy immune system.
>>>> Getting a heartworm infestation is far more difficult than vets and
>>>> drug companies would have us believe. There are 7 steps necessary
>>>> for an
>>>> infestation:
>>>> Step 1: A hungry female mosquito of a certain species must bite your
>>>> dog.
>>>> Female mosquitoes act as airborne incubators for premature baby
>>>> heartworms (called microfilariae). Mosquitoes thrive in warm, humid
>>>> conditions, as I stated in an earlier post.
>>>> Step 2: Our hungry mosquito needs access to a dog already infected
>>>> with sexually mature male andfemale heartworms that have produced
>>>> babies.
>>>> Step 3: The heartworm babies must be at the L1 stage of development
>>>> when the mosquito bites the dog and withdraws blood.
>>>> Step 4:  Ten to fourteen days later - if the temperature is right
>>>> -the microfilariae mature inside the mosquito to the infective L3
>>>> stage then migrate to the mosquito’s mouth. (Yum!) Step 5:  Madame
>>>> mosquito transmits the L3′s to your dog’s skin with a bite. Then, if
>>>> all conditions are right, the L3′s develop in the skin for three to
>>>> four months (to the L5 stage) before making their way into your
>>>> dog’s blood.  But your dog still isn’t doomed.
>>>> Step 6:   Only if the dog’s immune system doesn’t rid the dog of
these
>>>> worms do the heartworms develop to adulthood.
>>>> Step 7:   It takes approximately six months for the surviving larvae
>>>> to achieve maturity. At this point, the adult heartworms may produce
>>>> babies if there are both males and females, but the kiddies will die
>>>> unless a mosquito carrying L3′s intervenes.  Otherwise, the adults
>>>> will live several years then die.
>>>> In summation, a particular species of mosquito must bite a dog
>>>> infected with circulating L1 heartworm babies, must carry the babies
>>>> to stage L3 and then must bite your dog. The adult worms and babies
>>>> will eventually die off in the dog unless your dog is bitten again!
>>>> Also, heartworms Development Requires Sustained Day & Night Weather
>>>> Above 57˚F ...
>>>> The University of Pennsylvania vet school (in a study funded by
>>>> Merial) found: “Development in the mosquito is temperature
>>>> dependent, requiring approximately two weeks of temperature at or
above 
>>>> 27C (80F).
>>>> Below a threshold temperature of 14C (57F), development cannot
>>>> occur, and the cycle will be halted. As a result, transmission is
>>>> limited to warm months, and duration of the transmission season
>>>> varies geographically.”
>>>> ...
>>>> The Washington State University vet school reports that laboratory
>>>> studies show that maturation of the worms requires “the equivalent
>>>> of a steady 24-hour daily temperature in excess of 64°F (18°C) for
>>>> approximately one month.”  In other words, it has to be warm day AND
>>>> night or development is retarded even if the average temperature is
>>>> sufficiently warm. They add, that at 80° F, “10 to 14 days are
>>>> required for development of microfilariae to the infective stage.”
>>>> Jerold Theis, DVM, PhD, says, “If the mean monthly temperature is
>>>> only a few degrees above 14 degrees centigrade [57 degrees F] it can
>>>> take so many days for infective larvae to develop that the
>>>> likelihood of the female mosquito living that long is remote.”
>>>> https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/heartworm-medication-part-1-tr
>>>> ut
>>>> hs-om
>>>> issions-and-profits/
>>>>
>>>> http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2010/08/03/
>>>> wh y-hav ent-pet-owners-been-told-these-facts-about-heartworm.aspx
>>>>
>>>> The vets at Holistic Vet Center say:  “… monthly heartworm
>>>> preventatives are actually 100% effective if given every 45 days and
>>>> 99% effective if given every 60 days.”
>>>> https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/heartworm-medication-part-2/
>>>>
>>>> Also, people need to understand that heartworm positive results is
>>>> not a death sentence. there are various herbs which treat heartworm;
>>>> and there is also Heartworm Free, which is both a preventative and
>>>> treatment.
>>>> http://www.heartwormfree.com/heartworm_prevention.htm
>>>>
>>>> If you do a Google search for heartworm development and temperature,
>>>> you will see the same facts on numerous websites.
>>>> Sorry, vets are in it for the money, and the vets at guide dog
>>>> schools are no more competent than the four vets I visited with my
>>>> golden. You know that money is a top priority in the guide dog
>>>> programs because they feed the dogs foods like Iams, Proplan, insert
>>>> low-cost, low quality dog food here. And these vets truly think that
>>>> these brands of kibble are healthy. Any vet who says things like:
>>>> "Iams is a healthy kibble," or "Eating kibble cleans your dog's
>>>> teeth," are not good vets in my opinion. Statements such as these
>>>> demonstrate that a vet is concerned about money over health.
>>>> Statements such as these come from the same vets who say give
>>>> heartworm preventative once a month, even when there's not a chance
>>>> of mosquitoes appearing for more than half the year. If you live in
>>>> states with climates similar to Florida or Texas, I can understand
>>>> where they're coming from. But in regions like the Northeast and
>>>> Midwest, that is just overkill.
>>>> --
>>>> Raven
>>>>
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>> --
>> Raven
>>
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> Raven
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