[nagdu] O&M skills

Fri Jan 31 17:46:27 UTC 2014

hi  Amanda I don't think so  an organization that will come to Canada
I know  that nfb has a branch in Canada that is called cfb.  you might
want to check on group there or contact somebody from the Canadian
ones only ones that touch o and m and it wouldn't happen very often is
cnib.

On 1/31/14, Star Gazer <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com> wrote:
> Your friend is shocked, because she probably doesn't. :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sherry Gomes
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 12:34 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M skills
>
> I know some of my friend's friends, but none of them are people I would be
> comfortable asking to help with orientation. they aren't comfortable around
> me as it is. lol. One of them that I considered to hire to do house
> cleaning
> for me since I work fifty hours a week and don't want to spend my free time
> doing all the housework, was shocked that I do indeed clean my bathrooms!
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie McGinnity
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 10:26 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M skills
>
> This is definitely a serious problem.
>
> Sherry, is there a Lighthouse for the Blind or a Society for the Blind in
> your area that offers other services?  Perhaps they might be able to help.
> I grew up in St. Louis, and I received services through both a lighthouse
> for the Blind and the St. Louis Society for the Blind.
> Otherwise you don't need a certified O&M instructor just to help you with
> routes.  I know you mentioned one friend...  Are there others who might be
> willing to help.  All you probably need is someone who is healthy enough to
> walk around a fair bit and understands a little bit about how you travel.
> My mom has been able to help me with routes before, though this is not
> ideal.
>
> On 1/31/14, cape.amanda at gmail.com <cape.amanda at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Would they come to Montreal?
>>
>> Amanda
>>
>>> On Jan 31, 2014, at 11:37 AM, "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> i KNOW SOME FOLKS WILL DO IT PRIVATELY BUT YOU WOULD ALSO HAVE TO PAY
>>> THEM. L
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <cape.amanda at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 11:24 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M skills
>>>
>>>
>>>> Me too. I live in Montreal and am forever on a waiting list.
>>>>
>>>> Amanda
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 31, 2014, at 11:22 AM, "Tracy Carcione"
>>>>> <carcione at access.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Melissa.
>>>>> Please do ask.  I think there are lots of people who'd like to
>>>>> know, including me.
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "melissa R green"
>>>>> <graduate56 at juno.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 11:00 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M skills
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder if there is a way to get around being a client of rehab
>>>>>> just to get services like O&M.
>>>>>> there just has to be a way.
>>>>>> I have a really good instructor who also worked at a guide dog
>>>>>> school.
>>>>>> Not all people are working or going to school.
>>>>>> they just want to live their life.
>>>>>> Might have to ask my instructor.
>>>>>> I am curious now.
>>>>>> best wishes,
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> Melissa R Green
>>>>>> "Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole
>>>>>> staircase." -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Carcione"
>>>>>> <carcione at access.net>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:17 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M skills
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Julie M.
>>>>>> I agree wholeheartedly.  Being afraid to go out is very sad.  It
>>>>>> also disgusts me to hear of people who want to get training but
>>>>>> can't find anyone to provide it.  It ought to be a basic thing
>>>>>> provided by any state agency for the blind, to help any blind
>>>>>> person who asks for it get timely training in O&M.  Is there
>>>>>> anything we can do about this?  And I don't mean just telling
>>>>>> everyone to take several months out of their lives to attend
> an
>>>>>> NFB
>>>>>> center.  That's useful, but not always practical, IMO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hector Chevigny, in My Eyes Have A Cold Nose, wrote that he
>>>>>> thought it was better for newly-blinded people to get a dog and
>>>>>> get on about their lives, rather than waiting on some agency for
>>>>>> service forever, and, often enough, being taught by the agency
>>>>>> that he or she needed sighted help for everything.  Now, that was
>>>>>> written in the 1940's or early '50's, but I can still see some
>>>>>> merit in the argument.
>>>>>> It's a darned good thing that Leader has its cane class.  I wish
>>>>>> there were more options for people who can't seem to get the
>>>>>> services they need.
>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie McGinnity"
>>>>>> <kaybaycar at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:52 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M skills
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Tracey,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree with you, and that's a great speech.  I think it's great
>>>>>>> to work on O&M skills, but some people just have a harder time
>>>>>>> with directions and orientation.  Does that mean this should stop
> them?
>>>>>>> No.  But it does mean that they have to ask for help more often
>>>>>>> when finding a particular place or navigating somewhere for the
>>>>>>> first time.
>>>>>>> It's about independence: getting where you need to go with no
>>>>>>> inconvenience to yourself or others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The tools we use to do this don't matter as much as that we are
>>>>>>> getting out there and doing what we want to accomplish.  We all
>>>>>>> know people who's skills may not be as good or who may not do
>>>>>>> things the "right" way--or so we think, but let's work harder to
>>>>>>> encourage those people who don't go anywhere, feel like they
>>>>>>> can't travel, or are too afraid to get training of any kind.  Those
> cases to me are truly sad.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/30/14, Darla Rogers <djrogers0628 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Tracy,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I couldn't agree more, and sadly, we will see more peo9ple
>>>>>>>> without skills perhaps as good as yours or mine, but if you can
>>>>>>>> do what you need to do, in a manner that is comfortable for you,
>>>>>>>> far be it for me to judge your independence or lack thereof.
>>>>>>>> Darla & Handsome Huck
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy
>>>>>>>> Carcione
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:03 PM
>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] O&M skills
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> While I agree that good orientation skills are an excellent
>>>>>>>> thing, and make using a dog a lot better for both partners, I've
>>>>>>>> known some people who didn't seem capable of finding their way
>>>>>>>> out of the proverbial paper bag, and yet used the dog
>>>>>>>> effectively to get where they wanted to go.
>>>>>>>> A late lamented friend of mine always seemed confused about
>>>>>>>> which
> way
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> go,
>>>>>>>> but he travelled all over the country and the world, going places
>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>> I'll never go.  Was he the ideal dog user?  No.  Did he get where
>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>> wanted
>>>>>>>> to go, when he wanted to get there?  Absolutely.  Yet he was
>>>>>>>> sneered
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> people who seldom stepped outside their familiar routes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I recommend people read, or re-read, Jernigan's essay, The Nature
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> Independence, which I'm sure is somewhere on nfb.org. Dr. Jernigan
>>>>>>>> argues
>>>>>>>> persuasively that getting where you want to go when you want to go
> is
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> quintessence of independence, and judging others for how they
>>>>>>>> accomplish
>>>>>>>> that goal is not particularly useful.
>>>>>>>> All I'm trying to say is, we can encourage people to improve their
>>>>>>>> O&M
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> high standard, and help them find the resources they need to do so,
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> look down on them if they're unable to do it, or assume that, if
>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> O&M
>>>>>>>> doesn't seem excellent, that they are not independent people
>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>> they want to go.
>>>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Julie McG
>>>>>>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member,  National
>>>>>>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
>>>>>>> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President,
>>>>>>> and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008
>>>>>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
>>>>>>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
>>>>>>> life."
>>>>>>> John 3:16
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