[nagdu] A new beginning
Ashley and Landon Coleman
amc05111 at gmail.com
Tue Jul 8 18:07:48 UTC 2014
Awesome Ashley! I hope you enjoy class.
Ashley and Landon
On 7/8/2014 11:45 AM, Ashley Alvey via nagdu wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I had posted a while back about getting my second guide dog. I wanted to tell you all that I am currently in class training with my second dog at GEB! We are in the second week of training. He is a yellow lab named Fuller!! I'm looking forward to sharing many wonderful memories with him!
> Have a good day!
> Ashley and Fuller
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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>> 1. Re: A New Chapter Begins to Start (Marsha Drenth)
>> 2. Re: promised introduction (Marsha Drenth)
>> 3. Re: Seeking information, new member interested in getting a
>> dog guide (Marsha Drenth)
>> 4. GPS apps (Star Gazer)
>> 5. Re: A New Chapter Begins to Start (Buddy Brannan)
>> 6. Re: 50 years (Star Gazer)
>> 7. Teeth-cleaning (Tracy Carcione)
>> 8. Re: Seeking information, new member interested in getting a
>> dog guide (Star Gazer)
>> 9. Re: Teeth-cleaning (Hannah Chadwick)
>> 10. Re: Teeth-cleaning (Tracy Carcione)
>> 11. Re: Teeth-cleaning (Janice Toothman)
>> 12. Re: Teeth-cleaning (Becky Frankeberger)
>> 13. Re: Teeth-cleaning (Tracy Carcione)
>> 14. GDF Quarterly Conference Call (Jenine Stanley)
>> 15. Re: nagdu app and nfb app (Melissa R Green)
>> 16. Re: dog food (Becky)
>> 17. Re: Teeth-cleaning (Raven Tolliver)
>> 18. Re: [NAGDU] Seeking information, new member interested in
>> getting a dog guide (Melissa R Green)
>> 19. Re: [NAGDU] Seeking information, new member interested in
>> getting a dog guide (Michael Hingson)
>> 20. Re: GDF Quarterly Conference Call (Janice Toothman)
>> 21. Dog health insurance (Janice Toothman)
>> 22. Re: GDF Quarterly Conference Call (Shannon Dyer)
>> 23. Re: Dog health insurance (Ashley and Landon Coleman)
>> 24. Switching food (Daryl Marie)
>> 25. Re: Dog health insurance (Kathy Davis)
>> 26. Re: Switching food (Kathy Davis)
>> 27. Re: A New Chapter Begins to Start (Nicole Torcolini)
>> 28. Re: Seeking information, new member interested in getting a
>> dog guide (Nicole Torcolini)
>> 29. Re: Switching food (Raven Tolliver)
>> 30. Re: Switching food (Daryl Marie)
>> 31. Re: Switching food (Daryl Marie)
>> 32. Re: Seeking information, new member interested in getting a
>> dog guide (Larry D Keeler)
>> 33. Re: Dog health insurance (Danielle Burton)
>> 34. Re: A New Chapter Begins to Start (Buddy Brannan)
>> 35. Re: Dog health insurance (Tracy Carcione)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 09:44:46 -0400
>> From: Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>> To: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>, "NAGDU Mailing List, the
>> National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] A New Chapter Begins to Start
>> Message-ID: <8B80087D-F5CF-4963-832C-F8A5F8962F7F at gmail.com>
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>> Buddy, what a major and wonderful undertaking. I'm sure that you'll do wonderfully at training your new puppy. It would be very interesting to hear how this all goes. Do you plan on blogging or podcasting?
>> Keep us updated,
>>
>> Marsha drenth
>> email: marsha.drenth at gmail.com
>> Sent with my IPhone
>> Please note that this email communication has been sent using my iPhone. As such, I may have used dictation and had made attempts to mitigate errors. Please do not be hesitant to ask for clarification as necessary.
>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2014, at 6:17 PM, Buddy Brannan via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Well, been talking about it for years, and now I?ve decided I?m jumping in.
>>>
>>> I?ve decided that I?m going to train my next guide dog.
>>>
>>> First, I want to make one thing very clear. I have nothing but the utmost respect for guide dog schools. This isn?t some anti-authoritarian down with the establishment thing. In fact, I may never do this thing again after the one time. Or maybe I will. No one knows, not even me. This is just a thing I?m doing because I want the experience of raising and training my next guide dog, simple as that. I?m under no delusions here; I don?t, for instance, think that I?ll do as thorough a job with traffic training as the Seeing Eye does, but, and meaning to cast no aspersions, I don?t think *anyone* does as thorough a job of traffic training as Seeing Eye does. I do, however, believe that I will do a safe and adequate job of it, otherwise, I won?t pass my dog out of training.
>>>
>>> In this case, and for my purposes, this is more about the journey than it is about the destination, important as that destination is. Whether I take two years or three, or even whether I (and my dog) am/are successful, I will have the experience, and I expect to learn something valuable from it.
>>>
>>> I?m in no rush. Leno and I are coming up on our fourth anniversary at the end of August. That means, if he holds to pattern, I?ve got at least two more years of working with him, and he?s showing no signs of slowing down. Even if I started with a puppy today, I don?t anticipate being done any time before dog?s second birthday, and probably later, and really, I?m *not* starting with a puppy today.
>>>
>>> I?ll be visiting with a breeder on Saturday. I?ll be surprised if I have a new puppy in much less than a year from now. This is a thing I?m nervous about, excited about, and looking forward to. Also perhaps dreading slightly, if for no other reason than puppy parking in the middle of the night. Still, it?s exciting stuff, albeit a really, really large undertaking that has an uncertain outcome.
>>>
>>> So that?s my bit of fun. I fully expect to be bending the ears of the owner trainers here, because, well, I?m going in on new territory. Fortunately, Leno will be around to help me through it.
>>>
>>> ?Buddy
>>>
>>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 09:49:35 -0400
>> From: Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>> To: Becky Frankeberger <b.butterfly at comcast.net>, "NAGDU Mailing List,
>> the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] promised introduction
>> Message-ID: <7E4A613B-C163-4D68-9970-72258377C8F1 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> hi Becky, welcome to the list!
>> You already know me from a couple of other list. But just to refresh your memory, I am marsha, working my third guy from Guide dog foundation, a black lab cross. I live in Philadelphia.
>> I am the moderator of this list so if you need any help please don't hesitate to email me off the list.
>> Happy posting!
>>
>> Marsha drenth
>> email: marsha.drenth at gmail.com
>> Sent with my IPhone
>> Please note that this email communication has been sent using my iPhone. As such, I may have used dictation and had made attempts to mitigate errors. Please do not be hesitant to ask for clarification as necessary.
>>
>>> On Jul 2, 2014, at 12:25 PM, Becky Frankeberger via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Greetings everyone,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am Becky from the great State of Washington, otherwise known as the
>>> leftist coast, giggle. My home is on a little trout lake, which my husband
>>> takes full advantage of, about twenty miles north of Olympia. So an hour
>>> and a half from Seattle.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jake is my third golden retriever. Can you tell I love the breed, smile. Had
>>> a mismatch yellow labby who is happily retired.Jake is nine and a half years
>>> old and is from the Seeing Eye. With the kick this boy has in his paws, he
>>> isn't thinking of retiring and that is fine with me, smile.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My husband has a guide dog from Guide Dogs for the Blind. So two dog
>>> household as well as the humans who love them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a home knitting and crochet business that the great State of
>>> Washington helped finance. They loved my business plan, smile. Summer is
>>> slow for me, so if you are thinking of gifts, afghans, ponchos, my latest is
>>> a one piece hat scarf combo, very cute and warm, let's talk and figure out
>>> what works for you. My contact information is below.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Warmly,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Becky and Jake waving a paw
>>>
>>> Becky Frankeberger
>>>
>>> Butterfly Knitting
>>>
>>> - Ponchos
>>>
>>> - Afghans
>>>
>>> - Shawls
>>>
>>> - Custom Knitting
>>>
>>> 360-426-8389
>>>
>>> becky at butterflyknitting.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> www.butterflyKnitting.com
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 09:51:44 -0400
>> From: Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>> To: Candy Berg <candyberg at sbcglobal.net>, "NAGDU Mailing List, the
>> National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Seeking information, new member interested in
>> getting a dog guide
>> Message-ID: <F9E0B3C2-8F29-4E6F-9701-8F01982FD251 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> welcome to the list candy!
>> I hope that you find all of the answers that you're looking for here on the list. Just a little about myself, my name is Marsha, I'm working my third guide, from guide dog foundation, she is a black cross, and we live near Philadelphia.
>> I'm the moderator of this list so if you need any help please don't hesitate to let me know.
>> Happy posting!
>>
>> Marsha drenth
>> email: marsha.drenth at gmail.com
>> Sent with my IPhone
>> Please note that this email communication has been sent using my iPhone. As such, I may have used dictation and had made attempts to mitigate errors. Please do not be hesitant to ask for clarification as necessary.
>>
>>> On Jul 5, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Candy Berg via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I just joined this mailing list in hopes of getting some information
>>> regarding dog guides and schools. I am totally blind, been so all my life,
>>> I've always wondered about switching from cane travel to dog guided travel
>>> but with school, busy career, etc., I never fully explored this option. I
>>> want to do so now. We live in a rural area, so my travel needs don't
>>> involve heavy traffic situations, more open areas (rural roads and beaches)
>>> which seem to me would lend themselves particularly well to dog guided
>>> travel. I love dogs and have always had them as pets; I know a dog guide
>>> is a completely different relationship and responsibility. The other reason
>>> I'm investigating dog guides at this time is that my last pet dog died a
>>> few months ago, so I don't have the issue of introducing a dog guide into
>>> a household with a pet already in residence.
>>>
>>> I would appreciate anyone's input on my situation, including thoughts about
>>> schools; I'm especially interested in programs with some community training
>>> element given the nature of where I live and my travel needs. Any input
>>> would be welcome, or suggestions where I might research all this further. I
>>> live in northern California.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Candy
>>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 10:57:22 -0400
>> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Alyssa'" <alyssahenson95 at gmail.com>, "'NAGDU Mailing List, the
>> National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nagdu] GPS apps
>> Message-ID: <024c01cf99f3$c266bf90$47343eb0$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> I know we've talked about this before, but I can't make the archives work.
>> What gps apps do you guys use and love. I'm only interested in apps I can
>> put on my Iphone.
>> Thanks
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alyssa via nagdu
>> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 11:23 AM
>> To: Kathy Davis; NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Adjustment from working with a king to a dog
>>
>> Yes. I believe carrying a cell phone is pretty normal. The blind square app
>> is a huge helper at times. So is the seeing eye gps app. I've used some gps
>> with the cane and dog when needed. Though it's not always spot on, it can
>> usually provide enough information to get back on track.
>> Alyssa
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On Jun 30, 2014, at 9:54 AM, Kathy Davis via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I keep a telescoping cane in my purse or tote bag at all times and
>>> especially when I am headed to a large hotel like the NFB National
>>> Convention. I use my cane with my dog just on leash so I can figure
>>> out how to get around because my dog wouldn't have a clue if I didn't
>>> know how to direct him. Yes, telescoping canes can work well in
>>> conjunction with my dog at times. Then there are those times when I
>>> just use my cane as was the case yesterday when I went to the movies
>>> without Wade. I also take my iPhone with me when Wade and I are out
>>> doing things just in case there is an emergency or if we get lost.
>>> This seldom happens but I do believe that even sighted people usually
>>> have their cell phones with them most if not all of the time when they are
>> out and about.
>>> Good luck with your decision. Everyone on this list is so very
>>> helpful! Hope to meet some of you in Orlando this week.
>>>
>>> Blessings always,
>>>
>>> Kathy Davis
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry D
>>> Keeler via nagdu
>>> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 9:17 AM
>>> To: Elizabeth Campbell; NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association
>>> of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Adjustment from working with a king to a dog
>>>
>>> Still carry a cane in my ever versitile back pack. I have been known
>>> to use it to shoreline for sidewalks on my right. I also have a
>>> straight cane who lives in my closet and comes out when its really
>>> hot, cold or wet. Everyone does things a little differently but, I use
>>> my foot to find what's in front of me when Holly jstops. I could see using
>> a small cane to do this as well.
>>> I would probably keep sush a beast on my belt for that.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Elizabeth Campbell via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "'Elisabeth Clark'" <Darthsylva94 at gmail.com>; "'NAGDU Mailing
>>> List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 9:08 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Adjustment from working with a king to a dog
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Liz,
>>>>
>>>> It has been my experience that as I've worked with my dogs, they
>>>> learn to give me cues about uneven ground. Both of my guides have
>>>> learned to slow down when there is uneven footing ahead. IN my
>>>> opinion, there is nothing wrong with having a folding or telescoping
>>>> cane with you, especially when you first get a dog and are showing
>>>> the dog your
>>> surroundings.
>>>> Remember that when you come home with your dog, you will be far more
>>>> familiar with the area.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps and best of luck in going forward with plans to get a
>> dog.
>>>> Liz and Gabe
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elisabeth
>>>> Clark via nagdu
>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 10:34 AM
>>>> To: Buddy Brannan; NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
>>>> Guide Dog Users; ntorcolini at wavecable.com; nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Adjustment from working with a king to a dog
>>>>
>>>> Hi guys,
>>>> I haven't got a dog yet, but have done several walks with a few dogs
>>>> through three different schools and am looking at getting a dog.
>>>>
>>>> One thing I don't understand is the fact that I feel most confident
>>>> with my cane vs the confidence I have while walking with a guidedog.
>>>> I feel that my cane gives me more feedback on my surroundings and I
>>>> can sense the unevenness of the ground better than what I can with a
>>>> guidedog. I also know they try to pull you around obsticals, but I'm
>>>> not good with following a dog.
>>>> With my cane, I can use the tapping technique and echo location to
>>>> get around obsticals and find that much easier. Did any of you
>>>> experience the same problem?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, Liz.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Braillenote Apex.
>>>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 11:00:18 -0400
>> From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] A New Chapter Begins to Start
>> Message-ID: <73F98385-A6F3-471E-B0CE-D3908297AF9E at brannan.name>
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>> Oops. This accidentally went just private instead of to the list.
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I plan to blog, perhaps podcast as well.
>>
>> I went to see the breeder on Saturday. Met her and her dogs. Sharon is very no nonsense, very direct, doesn?t mince words. I liked her a lot. I liked her dogs (and cats), and they all seemed to equally approve of me, although the cane made them a bit nervous. They were OK once I put it away though.
>>
>> Granit, the male, was BIG! I mean about up to my waist big. I mean a hundred pounds and maybe a bit more big! HUGE head. He was looking pretty good though and was very friendly. Sharon had to tell him to stop licking. Her and me both. I didn?t mind especially. From afar, he looks like he?s black, but he?s got a red undercoat, so really it?s just the tips of the fur that are black. Comb it back and you?ll see the red under.
>>
>> Cecania (AKA CC) was a lot smaller, with a rougher coat, probably closer to 60 pounds. She was thin like many GSD?s, but still in nice shape. She?d run up every so often, but she didn?t stay still for long.
>>
>> Grischa was my pal for most of the visit. This is the girl that Sharon believes will be the right mother for my pup. I think Grischa approves. She?s a big bigger than CC, and, unlike CC, has some meat on her bones. Super laid back, although Sharon tells me that she changes when she has puppies and is very protective of them. Also tells me that she?s the guard dog. Anyway, she and Granit both have nice thick coats, and of course, all have those great GSD ears. Anyway, grischa laid next to me for most of my visit, as I sat on Sharon?s kitchen floor. She practically crawled up into my lap at one point.
>>
>> We visited for over an hour talking dogs, breeding, dogs, other critters, dogs, and?we might have mentioned a thing or two about dogs. She sees the same vet I do, and she tells me that the vet has referred several folks to her for pups, so I?ll have to remember to ask them about her.
>>
>> She believes Grischa will have pups near the end of the year, and they?ll be ready to take home in February. That?s how she thinks it will happen. CC, she believes, will have pups first. Although she also said things might change, and sometimes nature foils our plans and changes things up, and Grischa might go first, though she seemed to believe CC would be first followed by Grischa. February would be just about perfect, even if I wouldn?t say no tomorrow, the parents were just such nice dogs.
>>
>> If you want to find out more and see Sharon?s dogs, she?s building a web page. It?s still under construction, but there?s stuff there anyway:
>> http://www.entwerferhausgsd.com/
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 7, 2014, at 9:44 AM, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Buddy, what a major and wonderful undertaking. I'm sure that you'll do wonderfully at training your new puppy. It would be very interesting to hear how this all goes. Do you plan on blogging or podcasting?
>>> Keep us updated,
>>>
>>> Marsha drenth
>>> email: marsha.drenth at gmail.com
>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>> Please note that this email communication has been sent using my iPhone. As such, I may have used dictation and had made attempts to mitigate errors. Please do not be hesitant to ask for clarification as necessary.
>>>
>>>> On Jul 1, 2014, at 6:17 PM, Buddy Brannan via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Well, been talking about it for years, and now I?ve decided I?m jumping in.
>>>>
>>>> I?ve decided that I?m going to train my next guide dog.
>>>>
>>>> First, I want to make one thing very clear. I have nothing but the utmost respect for guide dog schools. This isn?t some anti-authoritarian down with the establishment thing. In fact, I may never do this thing again after the one time. Or maybe I will. No one knows, not even me. This is just a thing I?m doing because I want the experience of raising and training my next guide dog, simple as that. I?m under no delusions here; I don?t, for instance, think that I?ll do as thorough a job with traffic training as the Seeing Eye does, but, and meaning to cast no aspersions, I don?t think *anyone* does as thorough a job of traffic training as Seeing Eye does. I do, however, believe that I will do a safe and adequate job of it, otherwise, I won?t pass my dog out of training.
>>>>
>>>> In this case, and for my purposes, this is more about the journey than it is about the destination, important as that destination is. Whether I take two years or three, or even whether I (and my dog) am/are successful, I will have the experience, and I expect to learn something valuable from it.
>>>>
>>>> I?m in no rush. Leno and I are coming up on our fourth anniversary at the end of August. That means, if he holds to pattern, I?ve got at least two more years of working with him, and he?s showing no signs of slowing down. Even if I started with a puppy today, I don?t anticipate being done any time before dog?s second birthday, and probably later, and really, I?m *not* starting with a puppy today.
>>>>
>>>> I?ll be visiting with a breeder on Saturday. I?ll be surprised if I have a new puppy in much less than a year from now. This is a thing I?m nervous about, excited about, and looking forward to. Also perhaps dreading slightly, if for no other reason than puppy parking in the middle of the night. Still, it?s exciting stuff, albeit a really, really large undertaking that has an uncertain outcome.
>>>>
>>>> So that?s my bit of fun. I fully expect to be bending the ears of the owner trainers here, because, well, I?m going in on new territory. Fortunately, Leno will be around to help me through it.
>>>>
>>>> ?Buddy
>>>>
>>>>
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 11:30:16 -0400
>> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Tracy Carcione'" <carcione at access.net>, "'NAGDU Mailing List,
>> the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] 50 years
>> Message-ID: <000701cf99f8$5b122a50$11367ef0$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Wow Mike, this is really cool! I missed this post and only
>> saw Tracy's response.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>> via nagdu
>> Sent: Sunday, July 6, 2014 10:28 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: [nagdu] 50 years
>>
>> Mike, 50 years a dog user! Wow! I thought I was an old-timer at a mere 34
>> years, but I see now I'm just a pup.
>> I've known a couple 50-year guys from TSE. At TSE, they give special
>> recognition to 50-year people. Does GDB do the same?
>> May you have many more years of dog travel.
>> Tracy
>>
>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 11:34:16 -0400
>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nagdu] Teeth-cleaning
>> Message-ID: <9AA00790496645F9AEBE8AE9255EDCA9 at tracy>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> I brush Ben's teeth every day, but the vet says he's getting some tartar
>> build-up, and will need a teeth-cleaning sooner or later. It sounds like
>> kind of a big deal, involving a day's stay at the vet and pain pills after.
>> I've never had a dog who needed a teeth-cleaning. Has anyone else? Was it
>> a big deal?
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 11:36:01 -0400
>> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Raven Tolliver'" <ravend729 at gmail.com>, "'NAGDU Mailing List,
>> the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Seeking information, new member interested in
>> getting a dog guide
>> Message-ID: <000901cf99f9$285a32a0$790e97e0$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> The country isn't as laid back as people think. It's at the pace of the
>> growing season for both crops and animals. I can see why Candy would have
>> concerns especially if she farms or tends to crops and livestock. A mama
>> horse having a baby requires just about as much help as a human mama. Hay
>> needs to be made at certain times. Weather impacts this. Hay is also very
>> very flamible so you can't just toss damp hay into the barn and wait for
>> another day. The country is great, but I wouldn't call it laid back, just
>> different from the city.
>> Raven's answer is correct in that guide dogs are trained for both the city
>> and country. You will have to integrate the dog into your lifestyle and that
>> integration is something you and the dog both have to work at.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven Tolliver
>> via nagdu
>> Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 6:28 PM
>> To: Sean Robertson; NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>> Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Seeking information, new member interested in getting a
>> dog guide
>>
>> Candy,
>> Guide dogs receive proper training to live with other pets, and also to work
>> in different kinds of environments. Obviously, different dogs favor
>> different working environments. Guide dogs are just as perfect for the
>> bustling city as they are for the more laid-back country.
>> rural travel is a part of formal guide dog training, and also a focus in
>> class for the students. You can also inform your class instructor that you
>> would like to focus ,ore on rural travel with your dog during class.
>> If you have some really unique circumstances that you think might be
>> difficult for you and your dog to work through independently, you can either
>> look into home-training, or ask for follow up service.
>> Home-training involves training with your dog in your home environment.
>> Follow up involves an instructor or field rep visiting you in your home
>> environment after you attended class at the school.
>> The instructor will offer assistance with guide dog mobility, and some
>> training or troubleshooting tips.
>> One school you could look into for home-training is Guiding Eyes. I believe
>> the program is 10 days. I don't think they prefer this for 1st-time guide
>> dog users, but if your circumstances are special enough, you will likely be
>> able to make it happen if you get accepted.
>> There are over a dozen schools in the country. Here's a checklist of factors
>> that will help you get started on deciding which ones you will want to apply
>> to:
>> ownership policy
>> training methods
>> location of the school
>> length of class time
>> class size
>> home-training offered
>> assistance with veterinary expenses offered age of dogs issued breeds
>> offered puppy-raiser contact graduation ceremony
>>
>> This list is not comprehensive; however, it includes some of the factors
>> that are most important to prospective students. Some factors are more
>> important to certain people than they are to others. For instance, I was
>> more hell-bent on breed than anything else, and I also wanted an adult dog
>> because I had never owned or cared for a dog beforehand. My secondary
>> concerns were financial assistance with veterinary costs and getting into a
>> school in NYC. Other people focus on ownership or training methods as a
>> primary concern.
>> Decide what matters to you most, then research the schools that offer what
>> you want. Don't settle for less than what you want unless you exhaust all of
>> your options.
>>
>>> On 7/5/14, Sean Robertson via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Candy welcome to the list. My name is Sean, I liv in a rural part of
>>> the country too. And I had two guide dogs so far. I'm soon to get my third
>> dog.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Candy Berg via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 2:14 PM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Seeking information,new member interested in getting
>>> a dog
>>>
>>> guide
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I just joined this mailing list in hopes of getting some information
>>>> regarding dog guides and schools. I am totally blind, been so all my
>>>> life, I've always wondered about switching from cane travel to dog
>>>> guided travel but with school, busy career, etc., I never fully
>>>> explored this option.
>>>> I
>>>> want to do so now. We live in a rural area, so my travel needs don't
>>>> involve heavy traffic situations, more open areas (rural roads and
>>>> beaches)
>>>> which seem to me would lend themselves particularly well to dog
>>>> guided travel. I love dogs and have always had them as pets; I know
>>>> a dog guide is a completely different relationship and
>>>> responsibility. The other reason I'm investigating dog guides at this
>>>> time is that my last pet dog died a few months ago, so I don't have
>>>> the issue of introducing a dog guide into a household with a pet
>>>> already in residence.
>>>>
>>>> I would appreciate anyone's input on my situation, including thoughts
>>>> about schools; I'm especially interested in programs with some
>>>> community training element given the nature of where I live and my
>>>> travel needs. Any input would be welcome, or suggestions where I
>>>> might research all this further.
>>>>
>>>> I
>>>> live in northern California.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Candy
>>>>
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>>
>> --
>> Raven
>> "if God didn't make it, don't eat it." - John B. Symes, D.V.M.
>> http://dogtorj.com
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 09:01:16 -0700
>> From: Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>> To: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>, "NAGDU Mailing List, the
>> National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Teeth-cleaning
>> Message-ID: <53bac45d.a642420a.0aa2.1a7a at mx.google.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Tracy,
>> My first dog had some tartar on her teeth. I didn't want to have
>> her on that sleeping stuff so I found someone who did it without
>> going through that painful procedure. I think she just used
>> tools to scrape it off, but I'd venture to say it would depend on
>> how much tartar has been built up in your dog's mouth.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Tracy Carcione via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 11:34:16 -0400
>> Subject: [nagdu] Teeth-cleaning
>>
>> I brush Ben's teeth every day, but the vet says he's getting some
>> tartar
>> build-up, and will need a teeth-cleaning sooner or later. It
>> sounds like
>> kind of a big deal, involving a day's stay at the vet and pain
>> pills after.
>> I've never had a dog who needed a teeth-cleaning. Has anyone
>> else? Was it
>> a big deal?
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> %40gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 12:06:25 -0400
>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> To: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>, "NAGDU Mailing List,
>> the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Teeth-cleaning
>> Message-ID: <5245A81D8A074373A6E76317EF8A3585 at tracy>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=response
>>
>> Hi Hannah.
>> How did you find the person who did the teeth-cleaning without anesthetic?
>> Did your dog seem uncomfortable, afterwards?
>> I know how it feels to have my teeth cleaned; it doesn't seem like something
>> that should require pain pills.
>> Tracy
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Hannah Chadwick via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>; "NAGDU Mailing List,the National
>> Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 12:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Teeth-cleaning
>>
>>
>>> Tracy,
>>> My first dog had some tartar on her teeth. I didn't want to have her on
>>> that sleeping stuff so I found someone who did it without going through
>>> that painful procedure. I think she just used tools to scrape it off, but
>>> I'd venture to say it would depend on how much tartar has been built up in
>>> your dog's mouth.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Tracy Carcione via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 11:34:16 -0400
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Teeth-cleaning
>>>
>>> I brush Ben's teeth every day, but the vet says he's getting some tartar
>>> build-up, and will need a teeth-cleaning sooner or later. It sounds like
>>> kind of a big deal, involving a day's stay at the vet and pain pills
>>> after.
>>> I've never had a dog who needed a teeth-cleaning. Has anyone else? Was
>>> it
>>> a big deal?
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 12:33:29 -0400
>> From: Janice Toothman <janice.toothman at verizon.net>
>> To: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>, "NAGDU Mailing List, the
>> National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Teeth-cleaning
>> Message-ID: <53BACBD9.8060907 at verizon.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Hi Tracy,
>> The main difficulty with teeth cleaning aside from the anesthesia is the
>> cost. When Destiny had her teeth cleaned and fracture extracted it cost
>> $800.00. Because of the extend of the tartar that was $300.00. She did
>> not seem in that much pain even with the tooth extraction although they
>> gave me pain medication and an antibiotic.
>>
>> How someone could effective file without anesthesia because Destiny
>> barely tolerates her teeth cleaning with the toothpaste.
>> Janice
>>> On 7/7/2014 12:06 PM, Tracy Carcione via nagdu wrote:
>>> Hi Hannah.
>>> How did you find the person who did the teeth-cleaning without
>>> anesthetic? Did your dog seem uncomfortable, afterwards?
>>> I know how it feels to have my teeth cleaned; it doesn't seem like
>>> something that should require pain pills.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hannah Chadwick via nagdu"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>; "NAGDU Mailing List,the
>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 12:01 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Teeth-cleaning
>>>
>>>
>>>> Tracy,
>>>> My first dog had some tartar on her teeth. I didn't want to have her
>>>> on that sleeping stuff so I found someone who did it without going
>>>> through that painful procedure. I think she just used tools to
>>>> scrape it off, but I'd venture to say it would depend on how much
>>>> tartar has been built up in your dog's mouth.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Tracy Carcione via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 11:34:16 -0400
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Teeth-cleaning
>>>>
>>>> I brush Ben's teeth every day, but the vet says he's getting some tartar
>>>> build-up, and will need a teeth-cleaning sooner or later. It sounds
>>>> like
>>>> kind of a big deal, involving a day's stay at the vet and pain pills
>>>> after.
>>>> I've never had a dog who needed a teeth-cleaning. Has anyone else?
>>>> Was it
>>>> a big deal?
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> nagdu:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/sparklylicious
>>>> %40gmail.com
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 09:38:09 -0700
>> From: "Becky Frankeberger" <b.butterfly at comcast.net>
>> To: "'Tracy Carcione'" <carcione at access.net>, "'NAGDU Mailing List,
>> the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Teeth-cleaning
>> Message-ID: <004d01cf9a01$d6d6a630$8483f290$@comcast.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> I rarely clean my dog's teeth, but when I do, I run my nail over the teeth
>> and scrape off anything that isn't smooth. Then I brush there teeth with a
>> wet rag, preferably terrycloth.
>>
>> Had my first dog's cleaned once, then learned this technique. Jake is nine
>> and a half, the vet is amazed how white his teeth are. Now truly other then
>> a very bad oder, you can't generally tell if the dog has deeper problems
>> then just dirty plaquing on the teeth. So that might be what is going on.
>> Not so much the teeth are dirty, he suspects something else that should
>> appear to your nose as well. It is beyond doggie breath, kind of a bitter
>> smell. Perhaps infection in the gum or a bad tooth that needs pulled. Vets
>> aren't good communicaters, so they talk in general. Perhaps that bad smell
>> is why you brush the dog's teeth evry day, Becky shrugs shoulders.
>>
>> With that first teeth cleaning, neither he nor I knew Baylor had a broken
>> tooth. He wore a cone for a week or so. I think I soked his food, probably
>> pain pills that was eighteen years ago, so don't remember exactly.
>>
>> So sniff for the bad oder kind of bitter all penetratingly bad smell. Then
>> call back or go back for a quick consult to see what he suspects.
>>
>> The vet's office will do a blood test to see if the dog can handle
>> anastetics. This is a safe way to go. Baylor had to stay overnight. The
>> longest night of my life. Then he got picked up by me, got the meds and off
>> we went home. I don't remember him being sleepy except when I gave him the
>> pill. Otherwise he was just as happy as he could be, smile.
>>
>> Becky and the happy pup Jake
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>> via nagdu
>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 8:34 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: [nagdu] Teeth-cleaning
>>
>> I brush Ben's teeth every day, but the vet says he's getting some tartar
>> build-up, and will need a teeth-cleaning sooner or later. It sounds like
>> kind of a big deal, involving a day's stay at the vet and pain pills after.
>> I've never had a dog who needed a teeth-cleaning. Has anyone else? Was it
>> a big deal?
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 13:28:06 -0400
>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> To: "Becky Frankeberger" <b.butterfly at comcast.net>, "NAGDU Mailing
>> List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Teeth-cleaning
>> Message-ID: <6FF9B9FB009D465C853C3FA390419F6E at tracy>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Thanks guys. Becky, I brush his teeth every day just because my schools
>> said it was a good thing to do, but, now youmention it, his breath has
>> gotten noticeably worse. I wouldn't say it's a bitter smell, though, more a
>> kind of slobbery smell.
>> It sounds like the pain pills might just be a precaution, and it's not so
>> bad, from your description.
>> I'd rather do Hannah's way, but Ben is not crazy about me messing with his
>> mouth, which, in itself, might be indicating a problem.
>> Guess I'll have to bite the bullet and schedule the appointment.
>> Thanks.
>> Tracy
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Becky Frankeberger via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "'Tracy Carcione'" <carcione at access.net>; "'NAGDU Mailing List,the
>> National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 12:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Teeth-cleaning
>>
>>
>>> I rarely clean my dog's teeth, but when I do, I run my nail over the teeth
>>> and scrape off anything that isn't smooth. Then I brush there teeth with a
>>> wet rag, preferably terrycloth.
>>>
>>> Had my first dog's cleaned once, then learned this technique. Jake is nine
>>> and a half, the vet is amazed how white his teeth are. Now truly other
>>> then
>>> a very bad oder, you can't generally tell if the dog has deeper problems
>>> then just dirty plaquing on the teeth. So that might be what is going on.
>>> Not so much the teeth are dirty, he suspects something else that should
>>> appear to your nose as well. It is beyond doggie breath, kind of a bitter
>>> smell. Perhaps infection in the gum or a bad tooth that needs pulled.
>>> Vets
>>> aren't good communicaters, so they talk in general. Perhaps that bad smell
>>> is why you brush the dog's teeth evry day, Becky shrugs shoulders.
>>>
>>> With that first teeth cleaning, neither he nor I knew Baylor had a broken
>>> tooth. He wore a cone for a week or so. I think I soked his food, probably
>>> pain pills that was eighteen years ago, so don't remember exactly.
>>>
>>> So sniff for the bad oder kind of bitter all penetratingly bad smell. Then
>>> call back or go back for a quick consult to see what he suspects.
>>>
>>> The vet's office will do a blood test to see if the dog can handle
>>> anastetics. This is a safe way to go. Baylor had to stay overnight. The
>>> longest night of my life. Then he got picked up by me, got the meds and
>>> off
>>> we went home. I don't remember him being sleepy except when I gave him
>>> the
>>> pill. Otherwise he was just as happy as he could be, smile.
>>>
>>> Becky and the happy pup Jake
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>>> via nagdu
>>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 8:34 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Teeth-cleaning
>>>
>>> I brush Ben's teeth every day, but the vet says he's getting some tartar
>>> build-up, and will need a teeth-cleaning sooner or later. It sounds like
>>> kind of a big deal, involving a day's stay at the vet and pain pills
>>> after.
>>> I've never had a dog who needed a teeth-cleaning. Has anyone else? Was
>>> it
>>> a big deal?
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 14
>> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 14:11:01 -0400
>> From: Jenine Stanley <jeninems at wowway.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nagdu] GDF Quarterly Conference Call
>> Message-ID: <DDED2ECD-8E39-4DCA-A9C2-6611CC082A97 at wowway.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>
>> All are welcome!
>>
>> Quarterly Graduate Conference Call
>> Presented by the Guide Dog Foundation & America's VetDogs Alumni Council
>> Re: Retirement for Guide and Service Dogs
>>
>> Tuesday, July 8, 2014
>> 7:00 p.m. Eastern time
>> Dial-in number: 1-626-677-3000
>> Participant Access Code: 81316
>>
>> Please remember that the conference call number will not be active until approximately 6:55 p.m. on the date of the call.
>>
>> It's a topic none of us want to think about but our dogs simply don't live and work as long as we do. Everyone who partners with a guide or service dog will face the retirement process. This conference will address that process within the Guide Dog Foundation and America?s VetDogs, and the support available to you.
>>
>> Special Guest Toni Eames, president of the International Association of Assistance Dog Partners (IAADP), will discuss the support this organization provides.
>>
>> Members of the Alumni Council's Extended Services Team will also discuss their outreach to our graduates during this most difficult time.
>>
>> We will also be joined by fellow Foundation graduate and president of the National Association of Guide Dog Users, Marion Gwizdala, who has a special announcement to share.
>>
>> Conference Call Agenda:
>>
>> 1. Introductions: Jenine Stanley
>> 2. Program Updates: Wells Jones
>> 3. Alumni Council Update: Jenine Stanley
>> 4. NAGDU Announcement: Marion Gwizdala
>> 5. Retiring Your Guide or Service Dog: Toni Eames, IAADP
>> 6. Alumni Council Extended Services Support: Brandy Pinder and Extended Services Team
>>
>> You can submit questions in advance of the call to Jenine Stanley by email at: jenine at guidedog.org. We realize you may have many questions, and will be happy to address them.
>>
>> Please feel free to share this notice with your friends. All are welcome to join us on the call. Questions will only be taken via email. Thank you again for your support of the Guide Dog Foundation and America's VetDogs.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jenine Stanley
>> Consumer Relations Coordinator
>> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc ? and
>> America's VetDogs?, The Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc ?
>> Providing "Second Sight" ? since 1946
>> 371 E. Jericho Turnpike, Smithtown, NY 11787
>> Toll-free: 866-282-8047
>> Mobile: 631-708-6726
>> jenine at guidedog.org
>> jenine at vetdogs.org
>> http://www.twitter.com/GdfJenine
>>
>> To make a donation that can change a life ... contact the Guide Dog Foundation at www.guidedog.org
>> or America's VetDogs the Veterans K-9 Corps at www.vetdogs.org
>> Visit us on facebook at:
>> www.facebook.com/GuideDogFoundation orwww.facebook.com/AmericasVetDogs
>> Jenine Stanley
>> jeninems at wowway.com
>>
>> http://www.twitter.com/jeninems
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 15
>> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 12:40:55 -0600
>> From: "Melissa R Green" <graduate56 at juno.com>
>> To: "Rebecca Ilniski" <rilniski at gmail.com>, "NAGDU Mailing List, the
>> National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] nagdu app and nfb app
>> Message-ID: <A396096CE718452B8078E9C78C95BDA8 at HP30910210001>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Hi rebecca.
>> Welcome back to the list. I am also doing the certification class. I don't
>> know anything else about the apps than what was anounced. I am sure that
>> there will be more information forthcoming.
>> Melissa R Green and Pj
>> Clouds come floating into my life, no longer to carry rain or usher storm,
>> but to add color to my sunset sky.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Rebecca Ilniski via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2014 5:37 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] nagdu app and nfb app
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone. I decided to come back to the nagdu list. I live in
>> Pennsylvania with my yellow lab Zeb from the California campus of Guide
>> Dogs for the Blind. I work as a Spanish instructor and Braille
>> transcriber at a local school. I'm currently working on my Library of
>> Congress certification through the Nfb Jernigan Institute. I'm also an
>> i phone user which brings me to my question. I have heard there is
>> going to be an Nfb app and a Nagdu app. What features are available?
>> Also I enjoyed listening to the elections yesterday and congratulate
>> Mark Ricobono and the officers. I also heard the presentation from
>> George Kerscher and Christine Benninger from gdb. Just wanted to pop in
>> and say hello from my corner of the world.
>>
>> --
>> Rebecca and Zeb
>> email: rilniski at gmail.com
>> twitter: zebs_mom
>>
>>
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>> Message: 16
>> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 17:06:44 -0600
>> From: Becky <beckyasabo at gmail.com>
>> To: Jessica Diaz <changedheart421 at gmail.com>, "NAGDU Mailing List, the
>> National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog food
>> Message-ID: <932356DC-7F8B-4F4E-9E08-F29EB7F97ABD at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> Hi
>> I have gotten my three guide dogs from guiding eyes for the vlind.
>> Becky Sabo and Hakia
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 6, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Jessica Diaz via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Rachel,
>> My husband went to Guiding Eyes for his second dog this past Feb. and loved
>> it. He said the staff was amazing, they went to NYC to train a few times,
>> and the staff even bought the students coffees and such when they went to
>> different places. Some of the training methods I see my husband do
>> especially on the trains are very different from GDB and I am also
>> considering them for my second dog in a few years. Hope you have a great
>> experience.
>> Jessica Diaz
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Becker via
>> nagdu
>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 7:38 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog food
>>
>> Hi Danielle. Welcome to the list and thanks for starting an interesting and
>> important discussion. I will also be getting a guide dog this summer. I will
>> be going to Guiding Eyes starting on July 27. Nicole, I'd be interested in
>> knowing how you decided what to feed Lexea. Personally, I'd like to find a
>> reasonably healthy food option that's also practical for a grad student
>> living in a dorm. Any recommendations?
>>
>> Thanks all for your input.
>>
>> Rachel
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 17
>> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 19:10:56 -0400
>> From: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com>
>> To: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>, "NAGDU Mailing List, the
>> National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Teeth-cleaning
>> Message-ID:
>> <CACQ+kos1n-Ou=B+MspdMvC3TpTa4Gd2NOs-t_KAwmvOVrzdSTA at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Tracy,
>> aren't free dental cleanings offered for service animals in the fall?
>> Perhaps you could wait to schedule an appointment rather than dropping
>> so much money right now.
>> Also, there is a homeopathic remedy that can be put into drinking
>> water that destroys plaque and tartar. It is called Fragaria Vesca.
>> It can be purchased from:
>> www.elixirs.com.
>> Select dental care in the drop down to find the remedy.
>> Last I checked the site, this remedy was under $30.
>> Here's what the site says about Fragaria Vesca .
>> Fragaria Vesca is used for softening and removing tartar and dental
>> plaque that can cause gingivitis and decay. Apply a few drops Fragaria
>> Vesca around gums prior to flossing. Fragaria Vesca in 3OC potency for
>> severe or chronic problems.
>> Using Fragaria while flossing provides protection against plaque build
>> up. Plaque build up can lead to gingivitis.
>> Gingivitis left untreated can progress into periodontitis, a more
>> severe gum disease that can compromise integrity of tooth sockets.
>> Customers are telling us that their teeth feel much cleaner with
>> Fragaria Vesca. Fragaria Vesca may be helpful to prevent formation of
>> calculi. Safe and natural-Fragaria Vesca is a homeopathic remedy from
>> woodland strawberry. Use Fragaria Vesca with proper brushing and
>> flossing to aid in preventing plaque build up. Fragaria Vesca provides
>> pain relief around tender gum pockets.
>> Plaque creates unfavorable bacterial acids that harm gums. Plaque
>> hardens into tartar/calculus within 72 hours. Apply a dropper of
>> Fragaria Vesca onto gums directly after eating to help with
>> sensitivity, and painful gums.
>> Fragaria Vesca is used for problems of deep pockets, gingivitis, and
>> sensitive teeth. Easy to use dropper to apply around the gum line. Can
>> use with your regular toothpaste. Use Fragaria Vesca after each meal
>> or as needed for pain or problem teeth. Use 1 dropper full as needed,
>> no shaking or diluting needed.
>> In addition to Fragaria Vesca's use for dental concerns, the remedy is
>> listed in materia medica for other problems such as symptoms of
>> biliousness, chilblains, convulsions, erysipelas, gonorrhea, tapeworm
>> and urticaria.
>> 1 fluid oz in an food grade corn alcohol base.
>> For pets, use our pellets.
>> Hth.
>>
>>
>>> On 7/7/14, Tracy Carcione via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Thanks guys. Becky, I brush his teeth every day just because my schools
>>> said it was a good thing to do, but, now youmention it, his breath has
>>> gotten noticeably worse. I wouldn't say it's a bitter smell, though, more a
>>>
>>> kind of slobbery smell.
>>> It sounds like the pain pills might just be a precaution, and it's not so
>>> bad, from your description.
>>> I'd rather do Hannah's way, but Ben is not crazy about me messing with his
>>> mouth, which, in itself, might be indicating a problem.
>>> Guess I'll have to bite the bullet and schedule the appointment.
>>> Thanks.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Becky Frankeberger via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "'Tracy Carcione'" <carcione at access.net>; "'NAGDU Mailing List,the
>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 12:38 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Teeth-cleaning
>>>
>>>
>>>> I rarely clean my dog's teeth, but when I do, I run my nail over the teeth
>>>> and scrape off anything that isn't smooth. Then I brush there teeth with
>>>> a
>>>> wet rag, preferably terrycloth.
>>>>
>>>> Had my first dog's cleaned once, then learned this technique. Jake is
>>>> nine
>>>> and a half, the vet is amazed how white his teeth are. Now truly other
>>>> then
>>>> a very bad oder, you can't generally tell if the dog has deeper problems
>>>> then just dirty plaquing on the teeth. So that might be what is going on.
>>>> Not so much the teeth are dirty, he suspects something else that should
>>>> appear to your nose as well. It is beyond doggie breath, kind of a bitter
>>>> smell. Perhaps infection in the gum or a bad tooth that needs pulled.
>>>> Vets
>>>> aren't good communicaters, so they talk in general. Perhaps that bad
>>>> smell
>>>> is why you brush the dog's teeth evry day, Becky shrugs shoulders.
>>>>
>>>> With that first teeth cleaning, neither he nor I knew Baylor had a broken
>>>> tooth. He wore a cone for a week or so. I think I soked his food,
>>>> probably
>>>> pain pills that was eighteen years ago, so don't remember exactly.
>>>>
>>>> So sniff for the bad oder kind of bitter all penetratingly bad smell.
>>>> Then
>>>> call back or go back for a quick consult to see what he suspects.
>>>>
>>>> The vet's office will do a blood test to see if the dog can handle
>>>> anastetics. This is a safe way to go. Baylor had to stay overnight. The
>>>> longest night of my life. Then he got picked up by me, got the meds and
>>>> off
>>>> we went home. I don't remember him being sleepy except when I gave him
>>>> the
>>>> pill. Otherwise he was just as happy as he could be, smile.
>>>>
>>>> Becky and the happy pup Jake
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>>>> via nagdu
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 8:34 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Teeth-cleaning
>>>>
>>>> I brush Ben's teeth every day, but the vet says he's getting some tartar
>>>> build-up, and will need a teeth-cleaning sooner or later. It sounds like
>>>> kind of a big deal, involving a day's stay at the vet and pain pills
>>>> after.
>>>> I've never had a dog who needed a teeth-cleaning. Has anyone else? Was
>>>> it
>>>> a big deal?
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>> --
>> Raven
>> "if God didn't make it, don't eat it." - John B. Symes, D.V.M.
>> http://dogtorj.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 18
>> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 17:12:06 -0600
>> From: "Melissa R Green" <graduate56 at juno.com>
>> To: "Michael Hingson" <mike at michaelhingson.com>, "NAGDU Mailing List,
>> the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] [NAGDU] Seeking information, new member
>> interested in getting a dog guide
>> Message-ID: <5BCA54B6515A4775A6F377AA32619A66 at HP30910210001>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> that is really cool that you have had dogs for so long. congratulations to
>> you.
>>
>> Melissa R Green and Pj
>> Clouds come floating into my life, no longer to carry rain or usher storm,
>> but to add color to my sunset sky.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michael Hingson via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "'Candy Berg'" <candyberg at sbcglobal.net>; "'NAGDU Mailing List,the
>> National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 10:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] [NAGDU] Seeking information,new member interested in
>> getting a dog guide
>>
>>
>> Hi Candy,
>>
>> Welcome to the list. I am the vice president of NAGDU and on behalf of the
>> board, welcome from all of us and all on the list. I know you already have
>> received several emails, but since we all love to express ourselves here
>> goes.
>>
>> Yes you are right in that the relationship is different. My canes have
>> never given me kisses or independently wagged themselves or any part of
>> themselves. I believe that if you are a good cane traveler then you are
>> well on your way to making a good guide dog traveler. The biggest thing you
>> will have to do is to decide to put your trust in the dog. I do not mean
>> that you give up control of your travel experience. If, however, a guide
>> dog suddenly goes in a different direction than you expect, or swerves the
>> first reaction should be to follow the guide dog. Most often the dog will
>> be guiding you around something or moving you in a way so that you can keep
>> going the way you wish.
>>
>> Remember, using a guide dog is a team experience. You are the team leader
>> in all that that entails. You will be the coach, leader, cheer leader,
>> problem-solver, teacher (for the most part), and you will be the all around
>> navigator. Your guide will be the pilot looking for you to provide specific
>> directions every step of the way.
>>
>> Guide dogs take their job very seriously. It is an extremely stressful job
>> witch most dogs handle well. We can ease that stress by giving good
>> directions and working not to panic when things do not go as we expect or
>> when we give a wrong turn direction. Stopping and in a calm voice working
>> out of an unexpected situation is always important.
>>
>> Guide dogs can and do make mistakes. They also do test us. It is up to you
>> to set the boundaries and correct behavior. So how is this different than
>> any parent/child relationship, or any employer/employee relationship? It
>> isn't.
>>
>> Working is an awesome responsibility, but it is an incredible experience and
>> one you will, I expect, come to enjoy. I have been using guide dogs for 50
>> years and 1 week today, (is that hard to believe or what?). As others on
>> this list will tell you my guide dogs and I have been in, uh, interesting
>> situations. I have lived in rural and urban environments. I would not
>> trade using a guide dog for anything.
>>
>> I hope this helps you. Please feel free to contact me off list. I just
>> moved from Novato to Victorville CA so I know both Northern and Southern
>> California well. My contact information is below. Take care.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> Michael Hingson
>>
>> The Michael Hingson Group, INC.
>> "Speaking with Vision"
>> Michael Hingson, President
>> (415) 827-4084
>> info at michaelhingson.com
>> To order Michael Hingson's new book, Running With Roselle, and check on
>> Michael Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit:
>> www.michaelhingson.com
>>
>> To purchase your own portrait of Roselle painted by the world's foremost
>> animal artist, Ron Burns, please visit http://www.ronburns.com/roselle
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Candy Berg via
>> nagdu
>> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 11:14 AM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] Seeking information, new member interested in getting a dog
>> guide
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> I just joined this mailing list in hopes of getting some information
>> regarding dog guides and schools. I am totally blind, been so all my life,
>> I've always wondered about switching from cane travel to dog guided travel
>> but with school, busy career, etc., I never fully explored this option. I
>> want to do so now. We live in a rural area, so my travel needs don't
>> involve heavy traffic situations, more open areas (rural roads and beaches)
>> which seem to me would lend themselves particularly well to dog guided
>> travel. I love dogs and have always had them as pets; I know a dog guide
>> is a completely different relationship and responsibility. The other reason
>> I'm investigating dog guides at this time is that my last pet dog died a few
>> months ago, so I don't have the issue of introducing a dog guide into a
>> household with a pet already in residence.
>>
>> I would appreciate anyone's input on my situation, including thoughts about
>> schools; I'm especially interested in programs with some community training
>> element given the nature of where I live and my travel needs. Any input
>> would be welcome, or suggestions where I might research all this further. I
>> live in northern California.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Candy
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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>> Message: 19
>> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 16:31:25 -0700
>> From: "Michael Hingson" <Mike at michaelhingson.com>
>> To: "'Melissa R Green'" <graduate56 at juno.com>, "'NAGDU Mailing List,
>> the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] [NAGDU] Seeking information, new member
>> interested in getting a dog guide
>> Message-ID: <000901cf9a3b$91d902a0$b58b07e0$@com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Thanks. And they all have been the cutest guide dogs ever born.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Melissa R Green
>> via nagdu
>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 04:12 PM
>> To: Michael Hingson; NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>> Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] [NAGDU] Seeking information, new member interested in
>> getting a dog guide
>>
>> that is really cool that you have had dogs for so long. congratulations to
>> you.
>>
>> Melissa R Green and Pj
>> Clouds come floating into my life, no longer to carry rain or usher storm,
>> but to add color to my sunset sky.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michael Hingson via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "'Candy Berg'" <candyberg at sbcglobal.net>; "'NAGDU Mailing List,the
>> National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 10:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] [NAGDU] Seeking information,new member interested in
>> getting a dog guide
>>
>>
>> Hi Candy,
>>
>> Welcome to the list. I am the vice president of NAGDU and on behalf of the
>> board, welcome from all of us and all on the list. I know you already have
>> received several emails, but since we all love to express ourselves here
>> goes.
>>
>> Yes you are right in that the relationship is different. My canes have
>> never given me kisses or independently wagged themselves or any part of
>> themselves. I believe that if you are a good cane traveler then you are
>> well on your way to making a good guide dog traveler. The biggest thing you
>> will have to do is to decide to put your trust in the dog. I do not mean
>> that you give up control of your travel experience. If, however, a guide
>> dog suddenly goes in a different direction than you expect, or swerves the
>> first reaction should be to follow the guide dog. Most often the dog will
>> be guiding you around something or moving you in a way so that you can keep
>> going the way you wish.
>>
>> Remember, using a guide dog is a team experience. You are the team leader
>> in all that that entails. You will be the coach, leader, cheer leader,
>> problem-solver, teacher (for the most part), and you will be the all around
>> navigator. Your guide will be the pilot looking for you to provide specific
>> directions every step of the way.
>>
>> Guide dogs take their job very seriously. It is an extremely stressful job
>> witch most dogs handle well. We can ease that stress by giving good
>> directions and working not to panic when things do not go as we expect or
>> when we give a wrong turn direction. Stopping and in a calm voice working
>> out of an unexpected situation is always important.
>>
>> Guide dogs can and do make mistakes. They also do test us. It is up to you
>> to set the boundaries and correct behavior. So how is this different than
>> any parent/child relationship, or any employer/employee relationship? It
>> isn't.
>>
>> Working is an awesome responsibility, but it is an incredible experience and
>> one you will, I expect, come to enjoy. I have been using guide dogs for 50
>> years and 1 week today, (is that hard to believe or what?). As others on
>> this list will tell you my guide dogs and I have been in, uh, interesting
>> situations. I have lived in rural and urban environments. I would not
>> trade using a guide dog for anything.
>>
>> I hope this helps you. Please feel free to contact me off list. I just
>> moved from Novato to Victorville CA so I know both Northern and Southern
>> California well. My contact information is below. Take care.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> Michael Hingson
>>
>> The Michael Hingson Group, INC.
>> "Speaking with Vision"
>> Michael Hingson, President
>> (415) 827-4084
>> info at michaelhingson.com
>> To order Michael Hingson's new book, Running With Roselle, and check on
>> Michael Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit:
>> www.michaelhingson.com
>>
>> To purchase your own portrait of Roselle painted by the world's foremost
>> animal artist, Ron Burns, please visit http://www.ronburns.com/roselle
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Candy Berg via
>> nagdu
>> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 11:14 AM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] Seeking information, new member interested in getting a dog
>> guide
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> I just joined this mailing list in hopes of getting some information
>> regarding dog guides and schools. I am totally blind, been so all my life,
>> I've always wondered about switching from cane travel to dog guided travel
>> but with school, busy career, etc., I never fully explored this option. I
>> want to do so now. We live in a rural area, so my travel needs don't
>> involve heavy traffic situations, more open areas (rural roads and beaches)
>> which seem to me would lend themselves particularly well to dog guided
>> travel. I love dogs and have always had them as pets; I know a dog guide
>> is a completely different relationship and responsibility. The other reason
>> I'm investigating dog guides at this time is that my last pet dog died a few
>> months ago, so I don't have the issue of introducing a dog guide into a
>> household with a pet already in residence.
>>
>> I would appreciate anyone's input on my situation, including thoughts about
>> schools; I'm especially interested in programs with some community training
>> element given the nature of where I live and my travel needs. Any input
>> would be welcome, or suggestions where I might research all this further. I
>> live in northern California.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Candy
>>
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>> Message: 20
>> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 19:38:53 -0400
>> From: Janice Toothman <janice.toothman at verizon.net>
>> To: Jenine Stanley <jeninems at wowway.com>, "NAGDU Mailing List, the
>> National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDF Quarterly Conference Call
>> Message-ID: <53BB2F8D.8040806 at verizon.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>
>> Jenine,
>> Will Shannon still caption for those of us, who are Deaf-Blind?
>> Janice
>>> On 7/7/2014 2:11 PM, Jenine Stanley via nagdu wrote:
>>> All are welcome!
>>>
>>> Quarterly Graduate Conference Call
>>> Presented by the Guide Dog Foundation & America's VetDogs Alumni Council
>>> Re: Retirement for Guide and Service Dogs
>>>
>>> Tuesday, July 8, 2014
>>> 7:00 p.m. Eastern time
>>> Dial-in number: 1-626-677-3000
>>> Participant Access Code: 81316
>>>
>>> Please remember that the conference call number will not be active until approximately 6:55 p.m. on the date of the call.
>>>
>>> It's a topic none of us want to think about but our dogs simply don't live and work as long as we do. Everyone who partners with a guide or service dog will face the retirement process. This conference will address that process within the Guide Dog Foundation and America?s VetDogs, and the support available to you.
>>>
>>> Special Guest Toni Eames, president of the International Association of Assistance Dog Partners (IAADP), will discuss the support this organization provides.
>>>
>>> Members of the Alumni Council's Extended Services Team will also discuss their outreach to our graduates during this most difficult time.
>>>
>>> We will also be joined by fellow Foundation graduate and president of the National Association of Guide Dog Users, Marion Gwizdala, who has a special announcement to share.
>>>
>>> Conference Call Agenda:
>>>
>>> 1. Introductions: Jenine Stanley
>>> 2. Program Updates: Wells Jones
>>> 3. Alumni Council Update: Jenine Stanley
>>> 4. NAGDU Announcement: Marion Gwizdala
>>> 5. Retiring Your Guide or Service Dog: Toni Eames, IAADP
>>> 6. Alumni Council Extended Services Support: Brandy Pinder and Extended Services Team
>>>
>>> You can submit questions in advance of the call to Jenine Stanley by email at: jenine at guidedog.org. We realize you may have many questions, and will be happy to address them.
>>>
>>> Please feel free to share this notice with your friends. All are welcome to join us on the call. Questions will only be taken via email. Thank you again for your support of the Guide Dog Foundation and America's VetDogs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> Consumer Relations Coordinator
>>> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc ? and
>>> America's VetDogs?, The Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc ?
>>> Providing "Second Sight" ? since 1946
>>> 371 E. Jericho Turnpike, Smithtown, NY 11787
>>> Toll-free: 866-282-8047
>>> Mobile: 631-708-6726
>>> jenine at guidedog.org
>>> jenine at vetdogs.org
>>> http://www.twitter.com/GdfJenine
>>>
>>> To make a donation that can change a life ... contact the Guide Dog Foundation at www.guidedog.org
>>> or America's VetDogs the Veterans K-9 Corps at www.vetdogs.org
>>> Visit us on facebook at:
>>> www.facebook.com/GuideDogFoundation orwww.facebook.com/AmericasVetDogs
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> jeninems at wowway.com
>>>
>>> http://www.twitter.com/jeninems
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 21
>> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 19:46:47 -0400
>> From: Janice Toothman <janice.toothman at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nagdu] Dog health insurance
>> Message-ID: <53BB3167.60101 at verizon.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>> When I receive my second guide dog, I am considering health insurance.
>> I know how much Destiny's medical conditions cost. Does anyone know of
>> any dog health insurance or use it? Do you have thought on why you
>> might or might not use health insurance? Lastly, Does anyone know if it
>> covers dental cleaning? Thanks
>>
>> Janice
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 22
>> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 20:41:03 -0400
>> From: Shannon Dyer <solsticesinger at gmail.com>
>> To: Janice Toothman <janice.toothman at verizon.net>, "NAGDU Mailing
>> List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDF Quarterly Conference Call
>> Message-ID: <DCBD93D6-C0D5-4BF2-9294-C0E7656E4333 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Hi, Janice.
>>
>> I can caption it through Skype chat, if that works for you. You can email me offlist and let me know how that works.
>>
>> Shannon and Acelet
>>
>>> On Jul 7, 2014, at 7:38 PM, Janice Toothman via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Jenine,
>>> Will Shannon still caption for those of us, who are Deaf-Blind?
>>> Janice
>>>> On 7/7/2014 2:11 PM, Jenine Stanley via nagdu wrote:
>>>> All are welcome!
>>>>
>>>> Quarterly Graduate Conference Call
>>>> Presented by the Guide Dog Foundation & America's VetDogs Alumni Council
>>>> Re: Retirement for Guide and Service Dogs
>>>> Tuesday, July 8, 2014
>>>> 7:00 p.m. Eastern time
>>>> Dial-in number: 1-626-677-3000
>>>> Participant Access Code: 81316
>>>> Please remember that the conference call number will not be active until approximately 6:55 p.m. on the date of the call.
>>>> It's a topic none of us want to think about but our dogs simply don't live and work as long as we do. Everyone who partners with a guide or service dog will face the retirement process. This conference will address that process within the Guide Dog Foundation and America?s VetDogs, and the support available to you.
>>>> Special Guest Toni Eames, president of the International Association of Assistance Dog Partners (IAADP), will discuss the support this organization provides.
>>>> Members of the Alumni Council's Extended Services Team will also discuss their outreach to our graduates during this most difficult time.
>>>> We will also be joined by fellow Foundation graduate and president of the National Association of Guide Dog Users, Marion Gwizdala, who has a special announcement to share.
>>>> Conference Call Agenda:
>>>> 1. Introductions: Jenine Stanley
>>>> 2. Program Updates: Wells Jones
>>>> 3. Alumni Council Update: Jenine Stanley
>>>> 4. NAGDU Announcement: Marion Gwizdala
>>>> 5. Retiring Your Guide or Service Dog: Toni Eames, IAADP
>>>> 6. Alumni Council Extended Services Support: Brandy Pinder and Extended Services Team
>>>> You can submit questions in advance of the call to Jenine Stanley by email at: jenine at guidedog.org. We realize you may have many questions, and will be happy to address them.
>>>> Please feel free to share this notice with your friends. All are welcome to join us on the call. Questions will only be taken via email. Thank you again for your support of the Guide Dog Foundation and America's VetDogs.
>>>> Jenine Stanley
>>>> Consumer Relations Coordinator
>>>> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc ? and
>>>> America's VetDogs?, The Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc ?
>>>> Providing "Second Sight" ? since 1946
>>>> 371 E. Jericho Turnpike, Smithtown, NY 11787
>>>> Toll-free: 866-282-8047
>>>> Mobile: 631-708-6726
>>>> jenine at guidedog.org
>>>> jenine at vetdogs.org
>>>> http://www.twitter.com/GdfJenine
>>>> To make a donation that can change a life ... contact the Guide Dog Foundation at www.guidedog.org
>>>> or America's VetDogs the Veterans K-9 Corps at www.vetdogs.org
>>>> Visit us on facebook at:
>>>> www.facebook.com/GuideDogFoundation orwww.facebook.com/AmericasVetDogs
>>>> Jenine Stanley
>>>> jeninems at wowway.com
>>>>
>>>> http://www.twitter.com/jeninems
>>>>
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 23
>> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 22:57:49 -0400
>> From: Ashley and Landon Coleman <amc05111 at gmail.com>
>> To: Janice Toothman <janice.toothman at verizon.net>, "NAGDU Mailing
>> List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog health insurance
>> Message-ID: <53BB5E2D.4050608 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Hey Janice
>> I have heard that PetSmart has some great plans. I haven't looked into
>> this much.
>> Ashley
>>
>>
>>> On 7/7/2014 7:46 PM, Janice Toothman via nagdu wrote:
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> When I receive my second guide dog, I am considering health
>>> insurance. I know how much Destiny's medical conditions cost. Does
>>> anyone know of any dog health insurance or use it? Do you have
>>> thought on why you might or might not use health insurance? Lastly,
>>> Does anyone know if it covers dental cleaning? Thanks
>>>
>>> Janice
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> nagdu:
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>> --
>> Thank you
>> Ashley Coleman
>> Phone: 910-549-9306.
>> Email: amc05111 at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> Blinkie Chicks
>> Social Media Manager
>> http://www.blinkiechicks.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 24
>> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 21:04:12 -0600 (MDT)
>> From: Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] Switching food
>> Message-ID: <1583601289.23722725.1404788652984.JavaMail.root at cds058>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> hi guys!
>>
>> I have made the decision to switch Jenny from Purina ProPlan to another brand, Petcurean Go! Fit and Free. She has experienced what I assume are minor yeast infections, brittle nails, and a rather unpleasant smell from her feet. My vet advised switching away from grains if things didn't clear up, and they haven't.
>>
>> I am able to purchase Go! Fit and Free locally, and I love the review on Dog Food Adviser. Has anyone else fed their dogs this brand, or even heard of it? I know it's Canadian, so it may not be available across the border.
>> I would be more than happy to let anyone know my opinion on this food in a few weeks once we've made the switch.
>>
>> Daryl and Jenny (who is excited to go to the pet health store tomorrow!)
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 25
>> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 23:43:56 -0400
>> From: "Kathy Davis" <kdavisnfbf at cfl.rr.com>
>> To: "'Janice Toothman'" <janice.toothman at verizon.net>, "'NAGDU Mailing
>> List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog health insurance
>> Message-ID: <021401cf9a5e$d8e58ec0$8ab0ac40$@cfl.rr.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> I have Trupanion health insurance for Wade. This company was recommended to
>> us while I was at the Seeing Eye and they gave an excellent presentation. I
>> think I am paying around $41. Per month. Of course, the younger the dog the
>> less expensive it will be. My boy has been completely healthy but one of my
>> classmates has had to take advantage of Trupanion several times and it was
>> well worth the monthly expenditure.
>>
>> Hope this helps and I'll continue to keep the insurance because Wade will no
>> doubt continue to be as healthy as can be as long as I have that coverage.
>> If I dropped it he would probably get something dreadful.
>>
>> Kathy Davis and Wonderful Wade
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Janice Toothman
>> via nagdu
>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 7:47 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: [nagdu] Dog health insurance
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>> When I receive my second guide dog, I am considering health insurance.
>> I know how much Destiny's medical conditions cost. Does anyone know of any
>> dog health insurance or use it? Do you have thought on why you might or
>> might not use health insurance? Lastly, Does anyone know if it covers
>> dental cleaning? Thanks
>>
>> Janice
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 26
>> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 23:48:52 -0400
>> From: "Kathy Davis" <kdavisnfbf at cfl.rr.com>
>> To: "'Daryl Marie'" <crazymusician at shaw.ca>, "'NAGDU Mailing List, the
>> National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Switching food
>> Message-ID: <021501cf9a5f$892d6d20$9b884760$@cfl.rr.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> That just goes to show you how different each dog is with various dog foods.
>> Wade has been on Purina ProPlan for 14 months now and he's as healthy as can
>> be. He hasn't had a single health-related problem. I'm sticking with what
>> I'm using and that's for sure. If something isn't broken.....as the saying
>> goes.
>>
>> Kathy Davis and Wonderful Wade
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daryl Marie via
>> nagdu
>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 11:04 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] Switching food
>>
>> hi guys!
>>
>> I have made the decision to switch Jenny from Purina ProPlan to another
>> brand, Petcurean Go! Fit and Free. She has experienced what I assume are
>> minor yeast infections, brittle nails, and a rather unpleasant smell from
>> her feet. My vet advised switching away from grains if things didn't clear
>> up, and they haven't.
>>
>> I am able to purchase Go! Fit and Free locally, and I love the review on Dog
>> Food Adviser. Has anyone else fed their dogs this brand, or even heard of
>> it? I know it's Canadian, so it may not be available across the border.
>> I would be more than happy to let anyone know my opinion on this food in a
>> few weeks once we've made the switch.
>>
>> Daryl and Jenny (who is excited to go to the pet health store tomorrow!)
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nagdu mailing list
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
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>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/kdavisnfbf%40cfl.rr.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 27
>> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 20:53:08 -0700
>> From: "Nicole Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>> To: "'Buddy Brannan'" <buddy at brannan.name>, "'NAGDU Mailing List, the
>> National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] A New Chapter Begins to Start
>> Message-ID: <65CAF60F64B144018AD470AAB9D1BC1B at NicoleDell>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> I've had that happen before, too, with the email going just back to the
>> sender instead of to the entire list. Sometimes, you have to use reply all
>> instead of reply. Even though I work with computers, there are still certain
>> aspects of them that I don't even pretend to understand. Our loveable pups
>> are more predictable than computers.
>> Your description of the large male German shepherd reminds me of one of the
>> male puppies who was raised near where I lived when I was younger. I don't
>> remember how old he was, but he was not full grown, and he was bigger than
>> one of the fairly good sized full grown female German shepherds.
>> The animals being nervous about your cane makes sense, especially if they
>> have not seen one before. Besides not wanting to stash it somewhere, that's
>> one of the reasons that I don't take my cane with me when I go horseback
>> riding.
>>
>> Nicole
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan via
>> nagdu
>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 8:00 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] A New Chapter Begins to Start
>>
>> Oops. This accidentally went just private instead of to the list.
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I plan to blog, perhaps podcast as well.
>>
>> I went to see the breeder on Saturday. Met her and her dogs. Sharon is very
>> no nonsense, very direct, doesn't mince words. I liked her a lot. I liked
>> her dogs (and cats), and they all seemed to equally approve of me, although
>> the cane made them a bit nervous. They were OK once I put it away though.
>>
>> Granit, the male, was BIG! I mean about up to my waist big. I mean a hundred
>> pounds and maybe a bit more big! HUGE head. He was looking pretty good
>> though and was very friendly. Sharon had to tell him to stop licking. Her
>> and me both. I didn't mind especially. From afar, he looks like he's black,
>> but he's got a red undercoat, so really it's just the tips of the fur that
>> are black. Comb it back and you'll see the red under.
>>
>> Cecania (AKA CC) was a lot smaller, with a rougher coat, probably closer to
>> 60 pounds. She was thin like many GSD's, but still in nice shape. She'd run
>> up every so often, but she didn't stay still for long.
>>
>> Grischa was my pal for most of the visit. This is the girl that Sharon
>> believes will be the right mother for my pup. I think Grischa approves.
>> She's a big bigger than CC, and, unlike CC, has some meat on her bones.
>> Super laid back, although Sharon tells me that she changes when she has
>> puppies and is very protective of them. Also tells me that she's the guard
>> dog. Anyway, she and Granit both have nice thick coats, and of course, all
>> have those great GSD ears. Anyway, grischa laid next to me for most of my
>> visit, as I sat on Sharon's kitchen floor. She practically crawled up into
>> my lap at one point.
>>
>> We visited for over an hour talking dogs, breeding, dogs, other critters,
>> dogs, and.we might have mentioned a thing or two about dogs. She sees the
>> same vet I do, and she tells me that the vet has referred several folks to
>> her for pups, so I'll have to remember to ask them about her.
>>
>> She believes Grischa will have pups near the end of the year, and they'll be
>> ready to take home in February. That's how she thinks it will happen. CC,
>> she believes, will have pups first. Although she also said things might
>> change, and sometimes nature foils our plans and changes things up, and
>> Grischa might go first, though she seemed to believe CC would be first
>> followed by Grischa. February would be just about perfect, even if I
>> wouldn't say no tomorrow, the parents were just such nice dogs.
>>
>> If you want to find out more and see Sharon's dogs, she's building a web
>> page. It's still under construction, but there's stuff there anyway:
>> http://www.entwerferhausgsd.com/
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 7, 2014, at 9:44 AM, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Buddy, what a major and wonderful undertaking. I'm sure that you'll do
>> wonderfully at training your new puppy. It would be very interesting to hear
>> how this all goes. Do you plan on blogging or podcasting?
>>> Keep us updated,
>>>
>>> Marsha drenth
>>> email: marsha.drenth at gmail.com
>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>> Please note that this email communication has been sent using my iPhone.
>> As such, I may have used dictation and had made attempts to mitigate errors.
>> Please do not be hesitant to ask for clarification as necessary.
>>>> On Jul 1, 2014, at 6:17 PM, Buddy Brannan via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Well, been talking about it for years, and now I've decided I'm jumping
>> in.
>>>> I've decided that I'm going to train my next guide dog.
>>>>
>>>> First, I want to make one thing very clear. I have nothing but the utmost
>> respect for guide dog schools. This isn't some anti-authoritarian down with
>> the establishment thing. In fact, I may never do this thing again after the
>> one time. Or maybe I will. No one knows, not even me. This is just a thing
>> I'm doing because I want the experience of raising and training my next
>> guide dog, simple as that. I'm under no delusions here; I don't, for
>> instance, think that I'll do as thorough a job with traffic training as the
>> Seeing Eye does, but, and meaning to cast no aspersions, I don't think
>> *anyone* does as thorough a job of traffic training as Seeing Eye does. I
>> do, however, believe that I will do a safe and adequate job of it,
>> otherwise, I won't pass my dog out of training.
>>>> In this case, and for my purposes, this is more about the journey than it
>> is about the destination, important as that destination is. Whether I take
>> two years or three, or even whether I (and my dog) am/are successful, I will
>> have the experience, and I expect to learn something valuable from it.
>>>> I'm in no rush. Leno and I are coming up on our fourth anniversary at the
>> end of August. That means, if he holds to pattern, I've got at least two
>> more years of working with him, and he's showing no signs of slowing down.
>> Even if I started with a puppy today, I don't anticipate being done any time
>> before dog's second birthday, and probably later, and really, I'm *not*
>> starting with a puppy today.
>>>> I'll be visiting with a breeder on Saturday. I'll be surprised if I have
>> a new puppy in much less than a year from now. This is a thing I'm nervous
>> about, excited about, and looking forward to. Also perhaps dreading
>> slightly, if for no other reason than puppy parking in the middle of the
>> night. Still, it's exciting stuff, albeit a really, really large undertaking
>> that has an uncertain outcome.
>>>> So that's my bit of fun. I fully expect to be bending the ears of the
>> owner trainers here, because, well, I'm going in on new territory.
>> Fortunately, Leno will be around to help me through it.
>>>> -Buddy
>>>>
>>>>
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>> m
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 28
>> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 20:56:51 -0700
>> From: "Nicole Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>> To: "'Star Gazer'" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>, "'NAGDU Mailing List,
>> the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>,
>> "'Raven Tolliver'" <ravend729 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Seeking information, new member interested in
>> getting a dog guide
>> Message-ID: <599FD817937F47F69E963459B3500A1A at NicoleDell>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Candy never said anything about livestock or farming. You don't know about
>> the living situations of others, so let them speak for themselves.
>>
>> Nicole
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star Gazer via
>> nagdu
>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 8:36 AM
>> To: 'Raven Tolliver'; 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide
>> Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Seeking information,new member interested in getting a
>> dog guide
>>
>> The country isn't as laid back as people think. It's at the pace of the
>> growing season for both crops and animals. I can see why Candy would have
>> concerns especially if she farms or tends to crops and livestock. A mama
>> horse having a baby requires just about as much help as a human mama. Hay
>> needs to be made at certain times. Weather impacts this. Hay is also very
>> very flamible so you can't just toss damp hay into the barn and wait for
>> another day. The country is great, but I wouldn't call it laid back, just
>> different from the city.
>> Raven's answer is correct in that guide dogs are trained for both the city
>> and country. You will have to integrate the dog into your lifestyle and that
>> integration is something you and the dog both have to work at.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven Tolliver
>> via nagdu
>> Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 6:28 PM
>> To: Sean Robertson; NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>> Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Seeking information, new member interested in getting a
>> dog guide
>>
>> Candy,
>> Guide dogs receive proper training to live with other pets, and also to work
>> in different kinds of environments. Obviously, different dogs favor
>> different working environments. Guide dogs are just as perfect for the
>> bustling city as they are for the more laid-back country.
>> rural travel is a part of formal guide dog training, and also a focus in
>> class for the students. You can also inform your class instructor that you
>> would like to focus ,ore on rural travel with your dog during class.
>> If you have some really unique circumstances that you think might be
>> difficult for you and your dog to work through independently, you can either
>> look into home-training, or ask for follow up service.
>> Home-training involves training with your dog in your home environment.
>> Follow up involves an instructor or field rep visiting you in your home
>> environment after you attended class at the school.
>> The instructor will offer assistance with guide dog mobility, and some
>> training or troubleshooting tips.
>> One school you could look into for home-training is Guiding Eyes. I believe
>> the program is 10 days. I don't think they prefer this for 1st-time guide
>> dog users, but if your circumstances are special enough, you will likely be
>> able to make it happen if you get accepted.
>> There are over a dozen schools in the country. Here's a checklist of factors
>> that will help you get started on deciding which ones you will want to apply
>> to:
>> ownership policy
>> training methods
>> location of the school
>> length of class time
>> class size
>> home-training offered
>> assistance with veterinary expenses offered age of dogs issued breeds
>> offered puppy-raiser contact graduation ceremony
>>
>> This list is not comprehensive; however, it includes some of the factors
>> that are most important to prospective students. Some factors are more
>> important to certain people than they are to others. For instance, I was
>> more hell-bent on breed than anything else, and I also wanted an adult dog
>> because I had never owned or cared for a dog beforehand. My secondary
>> concerns were financial assistance with veterinary costs and getting into a
>> school in NYC. Other people focus on ownership or training methods as a
>> primary concern.
>> Decide what matters to you most, then research the schools that offer what
>> you want. Don't settle for less than what you want unless you exhaust all of
>> your options.
>>
>>> On 7/5/14, Sean Robertson via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Candy welcome to the list. My name is Sean, I liv in a rural part of
>>> the country too. And I had two guide dogs so far. I'm soon to get my
>>> third
>> dog.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Candy Berg via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 2:14 PM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Seeking information,new member interested in getting
>>> a dog
>>>
>>> guide
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I just joined this mailing list in hopes of getting some information
>>>> regarding dog guides and schools. I am totally blind, been so all my
>>>> life, I've always wondered about switching from cane travel to dog
>>>> guided travel but with school, busy career, etc., I never fully
>>>> explored this option.
>>>> I
>>>> want to do so now. We live in a rural area, so my travel needs don't
>>>> involve heavy traffic situations, more open areas (rural roads and
>>>> beaches)
>>>> which seem to me would lend themselves particularly well to dog
>>>> guided travel. I love dogs and have always had them as pets; I know
>>>> a dog guide is a completely different relationship and
>>>> responsibility. The other reason I'm investigating dog guides at this
>>>> time is that my last pet dog died a few months ago, so I don't have
>>>> the issue of introducing a dog guide into a household with a pet
>>>> already in residence.
>>>>
>>>> I would appreciate anyone's input on my situation, including thoughts
>>>> about schools; I'm especially interested in programs with some
>>>> community training element given the nature of where I live and my
>>>> travel needs. Any input would be welcome, or suggestions where I
>>>> might research all this further.
>>>>
>>>> I
>>>> live in northern California.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Candy
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> gmail.com
>>>
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>>> om
>>
>> --
>> Raven
>> "if God didn't make it, don't eat it." - John B. Symes, D.V.M.
>> http://dogtorj.com
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 29
>> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 00:02:35 -0400
>> From: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com>
>> To: Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca>, "NAGDU Mailing List, the
>> National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Switching food
>> Message-ID:
>> <CACQ+kosQ7RU2H_M9fm0YcZpedEXsmMEOaeuWvP=z0dimsuMruA at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Daryl,
>> Going grain-free is a step in the right direction. Unfortunately,
>> grain-free kibble will not fix Jenny's yeast imbalance. Certainly
>> grains feed yeast, but this is because they survive on the sugars from
>> starches. So yes, grains are starchy, but then so are potatoes, peas,
>> and sweet potatoes, the stuff in grain-free kibble. Starches are
>> necessary to make kibble because it makes the cereal, it holds the
>> stuff together. Without starches, kibble would be dust. In short,
>> you're just trading one poison for another.
>> I strongly advise reading the below article for anyone feeding or
>> considering grain-free kibble, or if your dog has a yeast imbalance.
>> http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/grain-free-dog-foods-solving-yeast-and-skin-issues/
>> As I have said on an earlier post, the healthiest kibble I know of to
>> date is called great Life. This company makes grain-free and
>> potato-free recipes. Check them out at greatlife4pets.com.
>> Obviously, I suggest running from any junk food, also known as
>> processed food, or dead food. Trading one junk food diet for another
>> will not resolve health issues. It might not make them worse, but it
>> definitely won't make them better.
>> also, some people's dogs continue to have issues even after several
>> food switches, even after switching to raw. This is because they still
>> vaccinate their dog, and slather them with and feed them monthly
>> poisonous pesticides. Dogs immune systems are weakened by the
>> onslaught of toxins, and simply have a toxin load so heavy that it
>> hinders the natural ability to fend off pests and ailments, and causes
>> an imbalance of the internal and external flora.
>>
>>> On 7/7/14, Daryl Marie via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> hi guys!
>>>
>>> I have made the decision to switch Jenny from Purina ProPlan to another
>>> brand, Petcurean Go! Fit and Free. She has experienced what I assume are
>>> minor yeast infections, brittle nails, and a rather unpleasant smell from
>>> her feet. My vet advised switching away from grains if things didn't clear
>>> up, and they haven't.
>>>
>>> I am able to purchase Go! Fit and Free locally, and I love the review on Dog
>>> Food Adviser. Has anyone else fed their dogs this brand, or even heard of
>>> it? I know it's Canadian, so it may not be available across the border.
>>> I would be more than happy to let anyone know my opinion on this food in a
>>> few weeks once we've made the switch.
>>>
>>> Daryl and Jenny (who is excited to go to the pet health store tomorrow!)
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nagdu mailing list
>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nagdu:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/ravend729%40gmail.com
>>
>> --
>> Raven
>> "if God didn't make it, don't eat it." - John B. Symes, D.V.M.
>> http://dogtorj.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 30
>> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 22:09:05 -0600 (MDT)
>> From: Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca>
>> To: Kathy Davis <kdavisnfbf at cfl.rr.com>
>> Cc: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Switching food
>> Message-ID: <1551573619.23748124.1404792545862.JavaMail.root at cds058>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Kathy,
>>
>> Fair enough. I think Raven's rubbing off on me (ha ha!) but I wanted to switch her food anyway, so I was so thrilled when I found Petcurean locally with good reviews. Her problems are minor in the grand scheme of things (slight scratching, nails, and - the biggie - the funk that comes off her when she sleeps). I wanted grain-free because that's likely the cause of the odor, and it should clear up her itchiness according to all the research I have done and consultation with my vet. She's getting her full work-up in three weeks, so I hope to have a good report!
>>
>> Daryl and Jenny
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Kathy Davis <kdavisnfbf at cfl.rr.com>
>> To: 'Daryl Marie' <crazymusician at shaw.ca>, 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 21:48:52 -0600 (MDT)
>> Subject: RE: [nagdu] Switching food
>>
>> That just goes to show you how different each dog is with various dog foods.
>> Wade has been on Purina ProPlan for 14 months now and he's as healthy as can
>> be. He hasn't had a single health-related problem. I'm sticking with what
>> I'm using and that's for sure. If something isn't broken.....as the saying
>> goes.
>>
>> Kathy Davis and Wonderful Wade
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daryl Marie via
>> nagdu
>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 11:04 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] Switching food
>>
>> hi guys!
>>
>> I have made the decision to switch Jenny from Purina ProPlan to another
>> brand, Petcurean Go! Fit and Free. She has experienced what I assume are
>> minor yeast infections, brittle nails, and a rather unpleasant smell from
>> her feet. My vet advised switching away from grains if things didn't clear
>> up, and they haven't.
>>
>> I am able to purchase Go! Fit and Free locally, and I love the review on Dog
>> Food Adviser. Has anyone else fed their dogs this brand, or even heard of
>> it? I know it's Canadian, so it may not be available across the border.
>> I would be more than happy to let anyone know my opinion on this food in a
>> few weeks once we've made the switch.
>>
>> Daryl and Jenny (who is excited to go to the pet health store tomorrow!)
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nagdu mailing list
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nagdu:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/kdavisnfbf%40cfl.rr.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 31
>> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 22:15:43 -0600 (MDT)
>> From: Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca>
>> To: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Switching food
>> Message-ID: <394991961.23750736.1404792943037.JavaMail.root at cds058>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Along that line, Raven, regarding vaccines, are you completely anti-vaccine? Jenny's due for her shots, but I am curious as to what are "good" or "bad" vaccines.
>>
>> I looked into Great Life, but I seem to be unable to buy it in Canada.
>>
>> Daryl
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com>
>> To: Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca>, NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 22:02:35 -0600 (MDT)
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Switching food
>>
>> Daryl,
>> Going grain-free is a step in the right direction. Unfortunately,
>> grain-free kibble will not fix Jenny's yeast imbalance. Certainly
>> grains feed yeast, but this is because they survive on the sugars from
>> starches. So yes, grains are starchy, but then so are potatoes, peas,
>> and sweet potatoes, the stuff in grain-free kibble. Starches are
>> necessary to make kibble because it makes the cereal, it holds the
>> stuff together. Without starches, kibble would be dust. In short,
>> you're just trading one poison for another.
>> I strongly advise reading the below article for anyone feeding or
>> considering grain-free kibble, or if your dog has a yeast imbalance.
>> http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/grain-free-dog-foods-solving-yeast-and-skin-issues/
>> As I have said on an earlier post, the healthiest kibble I know of to
>> date is called great Life. This company makes grain-free and
>> potato-free recipes. Check them out at greatlife4pets.com.
>> Obviously, I suggest running from any junk food, also known as
>> processed food, or dead food. Trading one junk food diet for another
>> will not resolve health issues. It might not make them worse, but it
>> definitely won't make them better.
>> also, some people's dogs continue to have issues even after several
>> food switches, even after switching to raw. This is because they still
>> vaccinate their dog, and slather them with and feed them monthly
>> poisonous pesticides. Dogs immune systems are weakened by the
>> onslaught of toxins, and simply have a toxin load so heavy that it
>> hinders the natural ability to fend off pests and ailments, and causes
>> an imbalance of the internal and external flora.
>>
>>> On 7/7/14, Daryl Marie via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> hi guys!
>>>
>>> I have made the decision to switch Jenny from Purina ProPlan to another
>>> brand, Petcurean Go! Fit and Free. She has experienced what I assume are
>>> minor yeast infections, brittle nails, and a rather unpleasant smell from
>>> her feet. My vet advised switching away from grains if things didn't clear
>>> up, and they haven't.
>>>
>>> I am able to purchase Go! Fit and Free locally, and I love the review on Dog
>>> Food Adviser. Has anyone else fed their dogs this brand, or even heard of
>>> it? I know it's Canadian, so it may not be available across the border.
>>> I would be more than happy to let anyone know my opinion on this food in a
>>> few weeks once we've made the switch.
>>>
>>> Daryl and Jenny (who is excited to go to the pet health store tomorrow!)
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nagdu mailing list
>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nagdu:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/ravend729%40gmail.com
>>
>> --
>> Raven
>> "if God didn't make it, don't eat it." - John B. Symes, D.V.M.
>> http://dogtorj.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 32
>> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 01:14:53 -0400
>> From: "Larry D Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> To: "Nicole Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>, "NAGDU Mailing
>> List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Seeking information, new member interested in
>> getting a dog guide
>> Message-ID: <D63E8A4B684343AF8BFDA981C7A7C64F at yourec0540d030>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> She does have a few points but you're right. The biggest issue I could see
>> in the country is that the chance of your dogs running into some interesting
>> creatures is higher. From just riding threw outlyuing areas here we've been
>> stopped by bulls on the loose, horses in the road, and a couple of really
>> interesting ones! A guy walking a kangaroo down the street and once at my
>> Uncles house, a monkey popped out of the bushes! Here, I've delt with
>> bunnies, skunks squirrels and wood chucks. And of course, my pets. Usually,
>> if you tell your school where and how you live, they keep it in mind and
>> give you great tips! Most schools also have training out in rural areas. I'm
>> sure if she gets a dog, her school will give her tips specific to her living
>> situation.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Nicole Torcolini via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "'Star Gazer'" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>; "'NAGDU Mailing List,the
>> National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "'Raven
>> Tolliver'" <ravend729 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 11:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Seeking information,new member interested in getting a
>> dog guide
>>
>>
>>> Candy never said anything about livestock or farming. You don't know about
>>> the living situations of others, so let them speak for themselves.
>>>
>>> Nicole
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star Gazer via
>>> nagdu
>>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 8:36 AM
>>> To: 'Raven Tolliver'; 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of
>>> Guide
>>> Dog Users'
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Seeking information,new member interested in getting
>>> a
>>> dog guide
>>>
>>> The country isn't as laid back as people think. It's at the pace of the
>>> growing season for both crops and animals. I can see why Candy would have
>>> concerns especially if she farms or tends to crops and livestock. A mama
>>> horse having a baby requires just about as much help as a human mama. Hay
>>> needs to be made at certain times. Weather impacts this. Hay is also very
>>> very flamible so you can't just toss damp hay into the barn and wait for
>>> another day. The country is great, but I wouldn't call it laid back, just
>>> different from the city.
>>> Raven's answer is correct in that guide dogs are trained for both the city
>>> and country. You will have to integrate the dog into your lifestyle and
>>> that
>>> integration is something you and the dog both have to work at.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven Tolliver
>>> via nagdu
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 6:28 PM
>>> To: Sean Robertson; NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>>> Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Seeking information, new member interested in getting
>>> a
>>> dog guide
>>>
>>> Candy,
>>> Guide dogs receive proper training to live with other pets, and also to
>>> work
>>> in different kinds of environments. Obviously, different dogs favor
>>> different working environments. Guide dogs are just as perfect for the
>>> bustling city as they are for the more laid-back country.
>>> rural travel is a part of formal guide dog training, and also a focus in
>>> class for the students. You can also inform your class instructor that you
>>> would like to focus ,ore on rural travel with your dog during class.
>>> If you have some really unique circumstances that you think might be
>>> difficult for you and your dog to work through independently, you can
>>> either
>>> look into home-training, or ask for follow up service.
>>> Home-training involves training with your dog in your home environment.
>>> Follow up involves an instructor or field rep visiting you in your home
>>> environment after you attended class at the school.
>>> The instructor will offer assistance with guide dog mobility, and some
>>> training or troubleshooting tips.
>>> One school you could look into for home-training is Guiding Eyes. I
>>> believe
>>> the program is 10 days. I don't think they prefer this for 1st-time guide
>>> dog users, but if your circumstances are special enough, you will likely
>>> be
>>> able to make it happen if you get accepted.
>>> There are over a dozen schools in the country. Here's a checklist of
>>> factors
>>> that will help you get started on deciding which ones you will want to
>>> apply
>>> to:
>>> ownership policy
>>> training methods
>>> location of the school
>>> length of class time
>>> class size
>>> home-training offered
>>> assistance with veterinary expenses offered age of dogs issued breeds
>>> offered puppy-raiser contact graduation ceremony
>>>
>>> This list is not comprehensive; however, it includes some of the factors
>>> that are most important to prospective students. Some factors are more
>>> important to certain people than they are to others. For instance, I was
>>> more hell-bent on breed than anything else, and I also wanted an adult dog
>>> because I had never owned or cared for a dog beforehand. My secondary
>>> concerns were financial assistance with veterinary costs and getting into
>>> a
>>> school in NYC. Other people focus on ownership or training methods as a
>>> primary concern.
>>> Decide what matters to you most, then research the schools that offer what
>>> you want. Don't settle for less than what you want unless you exhaust all
>>> of
>>> your options.
>>>
>>>> On 7/5/14, Sean Robertson via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Candy welcome to the list. My name is Sean, I liv in a rural part of
>>>> the country too. And I had two guide dogs so far. I'm soon to get my
>>>> third
>>> dog.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Candy Berg via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 2:14 PM
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Seeking information,new member interested in getting
>>>> a dog
>>>>
>>>> guide
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I just joined this mailing list in hopes of getting some information
>>>>> regarding dog guides and schools. I am totally blind, been so all my
>>>>> life, I've always wondered about switching from cane travel to dog
>>>>> guided travel but with school, busy career, etc., I never fully
>>>>> explored this option.
>>>>> I
>>>>> want to do so now. We live in a rural area, so my travel needs don't
>>>>> involve heavy traffic situations, more open areas (rural roads and
>>>>> beaches)
>>>>> which seem to me would lend themselves particularly well to dog
>>>>> guided travel. I love dogs and have always had them as pets; I know
>>>>> a dog guide is a completely different relationship and
>>>>> responsibility. The other reason I'm investigating dog guides at this
>>>>> time is that my last pet dog died a few months ago, so I don't have
>>>>> the issue of introducing a dog guide into a household with a pet
>>>>> already in residence.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would appreciate anyone's input on my situation, including thoughts
>>>>> about schools; I'm especially interested in programs with some
>>>>> community training element given the nature of where I live and my
>>>>> travel needs. Any input would be welcome, or suggestions where I
>>>>> might research all this further.
>>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>> live in northern California.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Candy
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> nagdu:
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/sprobertson0871%40
>>>>> gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>>> om
>>>
>>> --
>>> Raven
>>> "if God didn't make it, don't eat it." - John B. Symes, D.V.M.
>>> http://dogtorj.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>> Message: 33
>> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 06:55:19 -0400
>> From: Danielle Burton <danielleburton94 at gmail.com>
>> To: Janice Toothman <janice.toothman at verizon.net>, "NAGDU Mailing
>> List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog health insurance
>> Message-ID: <639DFFDE-5E76-4171-BB6A-72B569258B9D at gmail.com>
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>> Hi, everyone. I don't know if your school does this but Guiding Eyes provids their graduates with finanicial assistance for Vet care annually. They give Graduats up to $30 each year for vet suplies and vet visits. Also, they have an emergency vet fund of about $1500 that can be used if needed. This can only be used in case of an emergency. They will also refer you to speialists if your Vet recommends it and help with whtever medication your dog needs provided it allows them to continue working for an extended amount of time. They do not provide assistance if the dog is retired though. They didn't tell us about health inssurance for out dogs whil we were in class.
>>
>> Danielle and Willa
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 7, 2014, at 7:46 PM, Janice Toothman via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> When I receive my second guide dog, I am considering health insurance. I know how much Destiny's medical conditions cost. Does anyone know of any dog health insurance or use it? Do you have thought on why you might or might not use health insurance? Lastly, Does anyone know if it covers dental cleaning? Thanks
>>>
>>> Janice
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>> Message: 34
>> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 07:39:06 -0400
>> From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
>> To: Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>> Cc: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] A New Chapter Begins to Start
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>> Howdy,
>>
>> Yeah, the nervousness bout the cane didn?t bother me. I?m telling you, this dog was totally relaxed with me. Didn?t mind having her feet touched, even, which, well, you know how some dogs are about that.
>>
>> Been messing with computers for a long time, been on the internet since 1991, and I still have lots to learn. But now, I have a walk to take.
>>
>> ?Buddy
>>
>>> On Jul 7, 2014, at 11:53 PM, Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I've had that happen before, too, with the email going just back to the
>>> sender instead of to the entire list. Sometimes, you have to use reply all
>>> instead of reply. Even though I work with computers, there are still certain
>>> aspects of them that I don't even pretend to understand. Our loveable pups
>>> are more predictable than computers.
>>> Your description of the large male German shepherd reminds me of one of the
>>> male puppies who was raised near where I lived when I was younger. I don't
>>> remember how old he was, but he was not full grown, and he was bigger than
>>> one of the fairly good sized full grown female German shepherds.
>>> The animals being nervous about your cane makes sense, especially if they
>>> have not seen one before. Besides not wanting to stash it somewhere, that's
>>> one of the reasons that I don't take my cane with me when I go horseback
>>> riding.
>>>
>>> Nicole
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan via
>>> nagdu
>>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 8:00 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] A New Chapter Begins to Start
>>>
>>> Oops. This accidentally went just private instead of to the list.
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I plan to blog, perhaps podcast as well.
>>>
>>> I went to see the breeder on Saturday. Met her and her dogs. Sharon is very
>>> no nonsense, very direct, doesn't mince words. I liked her a lot. I liked
>>> her dogs (and cats), and they all seemed to equally approve of me, although
>>> the cane made them a bit nervous. They were OK once I put it away though.
>>>
>>> Granit, the male, was BIG! I mean about up to my waist big. I mean a hundred
>>> pounds and maybe a bit more big! HUGE head. He was looking pretty good
>>> though and was very friendly. Sharon had to tell him to stop licking. Her
>>> and me both. I didn't mind especially. From afar, he looks like he's black,
>>> but he's got a red undercoat, so really it's just the tips of the fur that
>>> are black. Comb it back and you'll see the red under.
>>>
>>> Cecania (AKA CC) was a lot smaller, with a rougher coat, probably closer to
>>> 60 pounds. She was thin like many GSD's, but still in nice shape. She'd run
>>> up every so often, but she didn't stay still for long.
>>>
>>> Grischa was my pal for most of the visit. This is the girl that Sharon
>>> believes will be the right mother for my pup. I think Grischa approves.
>>> She's a big bigger than CC, and, unlike CC, has some meat on her bones.
>>> Super laid back, although Sharon tells me that she changes when she has
>>> puppies and is very protective of them. Also tells me that she's the guard
>>> dog. Anyway, she and Granit both have nice thick coats, and of course, all
>>> have those great GSD ears. Anyway, grischa laid next to me for most of my
>>> visit, as I sat on Sharon's kitchen floor. She practically crawled up into
>>> my lap at one point.
>>>
>>> We visited for over an hour talking dogs, breeding, dogs, other critters,
>>> dogs, and.we might have mentioned a thing or two about dogs. She sees the
>>> same vet I do, and she tells me that the vet has referred several folks to
>>> her for pups, so I'll have to remember to ask them about her.
>>>
>>> She believes Grischa will have pups near the end of the year, and they'll be
>>> ready to take home in February. That's how she thinks it will happen. CC,
>>> she believes, will have pups first. Although she also said things might
>>> change, and sometimes nature foils our plans and changes things up, and
>>> Grischa might go first, though she seemed to believe CC would be first
>>> followed by Grischa. February would be just about perfect, even if I
>>> wouldn't say no tomorrow, the parents were just such nice dogs.
>>>
>>> If you want to find out more and see Sharon's dogs, she's building a web
>>> page. It's still under construction, but there's stuff there anyway:
>>> http://www.entwerferhausgsd.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jul 7, 2014, at 9:44 AM, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Buddy, what a major and wonderful undertaking. I'm sure that you'll do
>>> wonderfully at training your new puppy. It would be very interesting to hear
>>> how this all goes. Do you plan on blogging or podcasting?
>>>> Keep us updated,
>>>>
>>>> Marsha drenth
>>>> email: marsha.drenth at gmail.com
>>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>> Please note that this email communication has been sent using my iPhone.
>>> As such, I may have used dictation and had made attempts to mitigate errors.
>>> Please do not be hesitant to ask for clarification as necessary.
>>>>> On Jul 1, 2014, at 6:17 PM, Buddy Brannan via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, been talking about it for years, and now I've decided I'm jumping
>>> in.
>>>>> I've decided that I'm going to train my next guide dog.
>>>>>
>>>>> First, I want to make one thing very clear. I have nothing but the utmost
>>> respect for guide dog schools. This isn't some anti-authoritarian down with
>>> the establishment thing. In fact, I may never do this thing again after the
>>> one time. Or maybe I will. No one knows, not even me. This is just a thing
>>> I'm doing because I want the experience of raising and training my next
>>> guide dog, simple as that. I'm under no delusions here; I don't, for
>>> instance, think that I'll do as thorough a job with traffic training as the
>>> Seeing Eye does, but, and meaning to cast no aspersions, I don't think
>>> *anyone* does as thorough a job of traffic training as Seeing Eye does. I
>>> do, however, believe that I will do a safe and adequate job of it,
>>> otherwise, I won't pass my dog out of training.
>>>>> In this case, and for my purposes, this is more about the journey than it
>>> is about the destination, important as that destination is. Whether I take
>>> two years or three, or even whether I (and my dog) am/are successful, I will
>>> have the experience, and I expect to learn something valuable from it.
>>>>> I'm in no rush. Leno and I are coming up on our fourth anniversary at the
>>> end of August. That means, if he holds to pattern, I've got at least two
>>> more years of working with him, and he's showing no signs of slowing down.
>>> Even if I started with a puppy today, I don't anticipate being done any time
>>> before dog's second birthday, and probably later, and really, I'm *not*
>>> starting with a puppy today.
>>>>> I'll be visiting with a breeder on Saturday. I'll be surprised if I have
>>> a new puppy in much less than a year from now. This is a thing I'm nervous
>>> about, excited about, and looking forward to. Also perhaps dreading
>>> slightly, if for no other reason than puppy parking in the middle of the
>>> night. Still, it's exciting stuff, albeit a really, really large undertaking
>>> that has an uncertain outcome.
>>>>> So that's my bit of fun. I fully expect to be bending the ears of the
>>> owner trainers here, because, well, I'm going in on new territory.
>>> Fortunately, Leno will be around to help me through it.
>>>>> -Buddy
>>>>>
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>> Message: 35
>> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 07:53:03 -0400
>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> To: "Janice Toothman" <janice.toothman at verizon.net>, "NAGDU Mailing
>> List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog health insurance
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>> I have been thinking about dog health insurance, too. I think the vet I use
>> only takes a couple kinds, so that is an important consideration. If you
>> intend to stick with your current vet, you could ask what insurance they
>> accept,
>> and go from there.
>> Tracy
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Janice Toothman via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 7:46 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Dog health insurance
>>
>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> When I receive my second guide dog, I am considering health insurance. I
>>> know how much Destiny's medical conditions cost. Does anyone know of any
>>> dog health insurance or use it? Do you have thought on why you might or
>>> might not use health insurance? Lastly, Does anyone know if it covers
>>> dental cleaning? Thanks
>>>
>>> Janice
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