[nagdu] Natural Remedies

Corinne corinne at mind.net
Mon Jul 28 05:48:10 UTC 2014


Thank you Raven,
This is the exact approach that I follow for my own health, that of my 
family, and animals.  I do appreciate your posts on the topic and especially 
the informational websites you quote.  Please continue, your knowledge is 
most valuable.
Thanks so much,
 Corinne


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Raven Tolliver via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
To: "Sherry Gomes" <sherriola at gmail.com>; "NAGDU Mailing List,the National 
Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Natural Remedies


> Ladies,
> There is research on and documented cases pertaining to an array of
> natural modalities. If you look, you will certainly find it. The FDA
> will not approve it because they will not make money from it. How can
> they make money off of a healthy person who eats right and adds
> nutritional herbs and botanicals to their food. They can't.
> The side effects that many people suffer from when they venture into
> botanical medicine or other natural modalities is actually detox
> symptoms. People who are not educated about what they are doing and
> simply do something because someone suggested it will not know what to
> expect from their bodies. Just as doctors ought to educate patients
> about what might happen when they take a certain medication, so should
> anyone else offering medical advice whether it is natural or not,
> especially if the person is certified in their field.
> Anyhow, detox symptoms are often mistaken for allergies, side effects,
> and bad reactions. What it happening is the body is eliminating toxins
> through the skin, its largest organ, and sometimes through the
> digestive or urinary system. To illustrate this better, let's consider
> homeopathy. The rule of homeopathy is "like cures like." This means
> using botanicals to treat the very reaction that they are able to
> elicit. By doing this, it speeds the body's healing since the symptom
> or sign of imbalance is provoked and drawn out of the body. Of course,
> it is miserable when it happens, but pain and discomfort are a
> necessary part of healing.
> Also, this may come as a shock, but the studies that many people put
> faith in concerning allopathic medicine are not as in-depth as they
> would believe, especially when it comes to pet products. What often
> happens is a medicine is given for a certain amount of time. Let's say
> 4 months. Scientists realize that after 4 months, the animals start
> having bad reactions or just pass away. So they'll perform more
> studies, but shorten them to 2 months or 3 months, just so the bad
> reactions are rare or eliminated. Then they can say that side effects
> are rare. Consumers believe it, but the researchers know that
> reactions are only rare within a certain time period. So the side
> effects that we know about for meds are usually not comprehensive or
> all-inclusive. Money talks.
> About side effects to natural medicine, of course it is possible to be
> allergic to certain things. And in that case, there's something wrong
> with the body in question, not the treatment. When your body starts
> mistaking good things for bad things, the body has an imbalance that
> needs fixing or accommodating.
> Also, botanical medicine and other natural modalities do not involve
> lengthy or excessive exposure to known poisons. Yes, there are some
> natural substances that are dangerous in large or long term doses, and
> in that case, limited exposure is used. Many times in naturopathy, the
> rule is "less is more." On the other hand, people practicing and
> subscribing to allopathic medicine seem to believe that more is most
> effective. More pills, more antibiotics, more steroids, more medicine,
> more vaccinations, more pesticides, more poison. So what if any of it
> is known to cause liver damage, kidney failure, immune disease,
> cancer, or neurotoxicity? All that matters is that you make the
> symptoms stop.
> Allopathic medicine is about stopping the symptoms rather than working
> with the body to heal itself. Suppress the problem don't draw it out.
> Prevent and treat sickness rather than promoting health. My problem is
> not just the poisons, but the whole mindset. Scientifically proven
> means nothing to me when you want to approach medicine in a way that
> causes disease via exposure to toxin after toxin under the guise of
> disease prevention, rather than working actively to prevent sickness
> by promoting balance in the body. That is what health is. Not the
> absence of disease, but the presence of balance and optimal bodily
> function overall.
> Whether you use naturopathy or allopathy, you should never just follow
> anyone's advice. You should educate yourself and act based on your
> conclusions. The health care of you and those in your care is your
> responsibility and no one else's. In the age of information, there is
> no excuse for ignorance. Too many people don't research what they are
> putting into their own and their pets bodies, and they expect that
> doctors or vets just know what's best because they have a degree, and
> they could not be more far from the truth. Those people specialize in
> marketing skills and customer satisfaction. They just need to know how
> to pedal the meds, and give people what they want, which is something
> to make the nastiness go away in most cases.
> I was there. When I first got my dog, I believe that all the
> professionals knew what they were talking about since they had been
> doing this for x number of years and I was new to it all. Boy, was I
> wrong! After my dog's minor health problems, I started researching,
> and never stopped. I quickly learned that I had been lied to, and it
> was no one's fault but my own. It was my choice to accept advice at
> face value without researching it first. This is why I usually post
> research whenever I spout off about one natural remedy or another.
> Because I understand the value of educating yourself. I understand the
> feeling that you were dooped and cheated by a person whose advice you
> trusted. I understand the shame of realizing that it was your ow fault
> for acting without questioning first.
> I put this stuff out there for people to consider it, and to let
> others know that there is always an alternative. Even to the dreaded
> conventional heart worm treatment that people fear, there are
> alternatives. Most people wouldn't think there is because they
> subscribe to allopathy and worship it as if that very type of medicine
> is not destroying lives with its supposed advances in medicine.
> Naturopathy understands that there are always alternatives, and that
> no 2 people will receive one treatment for the same issue.
> Naturopathic medicine is tailored to the workings of each individuals
> body in order to restore balance. Naturopathy, like positive
> reinforcement training, is about starting with the least invasive
> methods, then progressing to more invasive treatments if the previous
> ones were ineffective.
>
> On 7/27/14, Sherry Gomes via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I actually tend to agree with you Becky. I'
>> I've stayed out of the conversation because I have strong feelings 
>> against
>> natural remedies for humans, let alone pets. I was born with a juvenile
>> rheumatoid arthritis. It's an auto immune disease. But as a child, I was
>> bombarded by the well meaning but insensitive prattle of adults, telling 
>> me
>> the things my parents should do to cure my arthritis. Finally, my parents
>> had my doctors tell me the truth about my disease. I became a skeptic by
>> necessity. as an adult, just for the heck of it, I tried a couple natural
>> things, I think alfalfa tablets once and fish oil capsules once. Of 
>> course
>> neither worked, because they can't fix an auto immune disease. Several
>> years
>> ago, someone actually told me if I followed a specific diet and used 
>> things
>> like glucosamine, it would regenerate my damaged joints, even the
>> artificial
>> ones and the fused knee that doesn't have a real knee joint either. So, I
>> approach natural remedies for dogs with the same innate skepticism. Now, 
>> I
>> do live in Colorado, and we don't have to do flea treatments here, but I 
>> do
>> give my dogs monthly heartworm preventative in the warm weather months, 
>> and
>> I'm not worried about the possible consequences of it, because I'd rather
>> do
>> that than risk the dog getting heartworm, as the treatment for it is far
>> more severe than the prevention. I hesitated a long time to give my old
>> retired dog glucosamine, and though I do it, I'm not at all convinced it
>> does anything for her either way, but she likes the edible pills, so I'm
>> okay with her eating them.
>>
>> Sherry
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Becky
>> Frankeberger via nagdu
>> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 5:12 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: [nagdu] Natural Remedies
>>
>> You know all I respect your right to do whatever is kind to your dogs. 
>> But
>> most of the natural stuff is not and I repeat not scientifically proven.
>>
>> They do not do double blind studies. So this vet group is just making 
>> lots
>> of money using our dogs as lab rats. Now granted there are some things 
>> that
>> they can prove that work in double blind studies with different 
>> scientists
>> and vets getting the same results. But they would rather sell you 
>> unproven
>> snake oil.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I know a gal with a master's degree who will not use vets unless nothing
>> she
>> tries is working. Many of her herbs and sprays do work in part. But her
>> natural flea spray she does faithfully every day give her at least one 
>> bout
>> of flea infestation a year. I have had one in twenty one years. I live
>> around cedar trees use cedar beds thus according to the natural vets I
>> shouldn't have to use the pesticides on my dogs. Got news for the natural
>> vets, you're wrong again. That one flea infestation was following your
>> advice by my husband.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Now do I use the pesticides on my dogs every month, no, as those cedar
>> trees
>> do give a level of protection. Under all the blond hair is a brain I use
>> liberally.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Do I think vets and naturalist vets are a good idea, I do. But to throw
>> western medicine out is just foolish talk. The oil my friend rubs on her
>> arthritic hands works well for her. Having only hard wood in my friend's
>> home is keeping her asthma at bay. Using the spray in her dog's mouth she
>> says is keeping tarter down in her dog's teeth. I have no idea if this
>> spray
>> works. She doesn't go to vets so I doubt her dog has had their teeth
>> checked
>> from the last rabies shot.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I am not into vaccinating every year. This was great to hear from Dr. 
>> Hauly
>>
>> in 07 when I was at Seeing eye.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyway, read everything on the product good and bad that you want to use.
>>
>> Don't use your $60,000 dog as a lab rat. Look for good studies using many
>> many dogs. What are the side effects so you can be prepared to act if you
>> need to. What are the signs to look for? Even natural herbs and stuff has
>> side effects. Remember marijuana  is a herb. You will poison your dog if 
>> he
>> gets an edible. If he does get an edible marijuana  , take him to the vet
>> fast. Don't smoke around your dogs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Look for only board certified herbalists and Doctors for you and your 
>> pup.
>> I
>> remember buying a herbal supplement from my Chiropracter. I broke out in 
>> a
>> rash. She told me that rash was not one of the side affects she, by the
>> way,
>> never told me about. I told her add it to the list, as I showed her my
>> broken out area. She with twenty five years experience selling snake oil,
>> as
>> she was not Board certified, gasped. I stopped the herb and the horrible
>> rash went away.  So think about that as you give your dog concocktions of
>> herbs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Just my opinion, never ever meant to hurt anyone's feelings..
>>
>>
>>
>> Just giving another viewpoint, shy smile.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Becky and Jake
>>
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>
>
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