[nagdu] barking in harness?

Vivianna irishana at gmail.com
Thu Jul 31 21:42:25 UTC 2014

i completely disagree.
say you are walking down the street on your way somewhere and your dog starts barking.  you hear nothing, there is no dog coming out after your dog.  is this acceptable?  no.  it’s not.
maybe the dog barked at a bird, maybe a squirrel, maybe a shadow, whatever.  i don’t care, barking is not allowed.  end of story.
sometimes it’s time for a correction.  maybe it’s a harsh no, maybe it’s a quick leash correction, whatever.  sometimes dogs are just plain old doing something that they should not be doing.

On Jul 31, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name> wrote:

> While you’ve got some good points here, I think it really is important to know why something’s happening. Certainly if you know why something’s happening, you can use that to some advantage. Sure, you want to stop an undesirable behavior. But would it not be easier to stop the behavior if you understand its source? If for no other reason than setting things up such that training opportunities can be had?
> On Jul 31, 2014, at 5:21 PM, Vivianna via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> you are rationalizing.  sometimes bad behavior is just that, bad behavior.
>> no, means no.  
>> no barking.  lol.
>> you don’t want her to start that, it’s hard to stop and next it will be in a mall or restaurant.  wait, i think you already told us that she barks in stores?
>> even if there is a dog there, so what?  she should still not be barking at it.  
>> but, that’s just my opinion.  i believe that sometimes a good no and a leash correction are in order.  mind you, i am not taking 2 hands and flipping my dog on her back.  lol.
>> and, yes, most times behaviors can be stopped with a word or a re-direction.  but, some things just are not acceptable in a guide dog and, barking is one of them.  
>> even though many schools give you treats for the dogs, every single one of them also gives you a correction collar on that dog also.
>> all this talk of treats and no leash corrections does get me going.  sometimes a dog is just not paying attention or, yes, even, being bad.  if your dog runs a curb and walks you out into traffic then you will be in big troubles.  so, not running curbs is a big thing for me.  you don’t stop in the middle of traffic and try and re-direct that dog.  so, i make it perfectly clear that stopping at curbs is a complete must, all the time, every time, no exceptions.
>> it’s my belief that a public place can even ask you to leave if your dog is being a nuisance such as barking or being otherwise out of control.
>> and, just FYI, i am really a nice person, ask anybody who knows me.  but, i do say it how it is and don’t beat around the bush.
>> vivianna
>> On Jul 31, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Daryl Marie via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hey matthew,
>>> In previous posts, I have stated that I am moving away from corrections and towads redirection or positive reinforcement.
>>> To the list:
>>> I think I may have solved the mystery!
>>> At that time of day, the sun reflects off the plateglass front door of the office downstairs, so her reflection bounces back at her. She approaches the door, so does the reflection/perceived other dog. Her nose hits the ground, so does the reflection/other dog. Because this area is very small, she may feel slightly trapped, thus leading to the barking...
>>> Does this make sense? or am I just rationalizing?
>>> Daryl
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Matthew Dyer <ilovecountrymusic483 at gmail.com>
>>> To: Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca>, NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:06:19 -0600 (MDT)
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] barking in harness?
>>> Hi,
>>> Yes, is he used to do the same thing. They ended up switching me out with a new dog that I have now. Her name is Chrissy. In any event, just keep working with her. And I would continue to correct her if she continues. Otherwise if it does continue, contact the school and see what they can do to help you. Thanks.
>>> Matthew
>>> Sent from my iPhone.
>>> Skype: graduater2004. Email and face time/iMessage: ilovecountrymusic483 at gmail.com
>>>> On Jul 31, 2014, at 3:25 PM, Daryl Marie via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hey!
>>>> Just had a funny thing happen today. A group of us went out for lunch, then when we came back, Jenny just let out a couple of short barks (bark, pause, bark, pause, bark) at something or someone on the other side of the glass door leading to the office downstairs in our building. She was able to be redirected easily, so we went upstairs, took a 5-10-minute break, and went back downstairs (I thought she was barking at Gizmo, who I wrote about previously).  I figured, hey, training opportunity!
>>>> Well, we got downstairs, and again, she barked once at something on the other side of the door. I didn't hear anything or anyone, so I had her lie down by the second door (the one that leads upstairs), and I opened the door to the office downstairs, and there was nothing or no one there.
>>>> She has never done this before (except once at Gizmo), but people at work seem to think there's another dog down there.
>>>> Any pointers, advice?
>>>> Daryl
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