[nagdu] Struggles with relieving?

Wed Jun 4 03:20:21 UTC 2014

Brandi,
Jenny has NEVER done this before - the whimper/whine is a very clear indicator that she has to go outside, and aside from the past two days, she has never given it unnecessarily.
I keep her on a fairly steady schedule, though it does vary... I am always conscious of when she goes... if she has to go when we first wake up (indicated by one or more gutteral whines), then I may take her out again before I step into daily meetings.  If she's good until we leave the house, then lunchtime, and so forth.

As for Nicole's question about grazing... depends on the day.  Right now it's a problem, but I do redirect her and that seems to stop the behavior... until she forgets again.  She is curious about plants but lately has left them alone.

Daryl
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From: Brandy Pinder via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
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Sent: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 20:40:31 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Struggles with relieving?

Hi all, 
My view is a little different. Yes time outside is good but make sure it is on your terms. I don't know what your school said but most schools here say put the dog on a schedule. This doesn't mean they won't have to go outside of this but this should be rare this way you know that it isn't their scheduled time and she is pulling your leg. I'd say in 10 months pinta has indicated once that she had to go outside of a scheduled time. With Ricky it was more like monthly.  I had a dog that would whine and whine until she got whatever she wanted. Her sister also did this in class. The owner would immediately take the dog outside to lay in the sun when she whined. What if you are in a meeting and your dog says, hey I want to go outside and son bathe. You won't know which is which. My dog personally hates laying outside unless she has a blanket. If it's sixty she is too cold if seventy its too hot, after about a half an hour she will poke me and look at the door. However she hates being inside while I'm out so a blanket and a chair to lay under is her preference, though typically she isn't high maintenance. 

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> On Jun 3, 2014, at 10:01 PM, Daryl Marie via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Raven and Nicole,
> 
> Thanks for the pointers.  I am starting to spend some more time outside with her now that the weather is nice enough... taking her to the park, etc., even having her sit and relax outside with hubby and I if we're eating on the back patio (we don't let her on that lawn because the grass hasn't grown in yet and we've just planted a garden).  If weather permits, I do like to groom her outside and just sit in the sunshine and she really likes that.  I think you're right; she's indicating that she wants to be out in the sun more.  We also go on on-leash (out-of-harness) walks that she loves... perhaps I've been making a mountain out of this molehill.  Jenny's been hybernating really for a long time due to our harsh cold winter, so she's probably wanting to soak up some time outside.  My boss has even encouraged taking brain breaks in good weather and take Jenn for a walk around the block (in harness, but still outside and we're not GOING anywhere).
> Jen's pretty good about not having a sniff-a-thon... she likes to eat grass, and I take a little sniffing as a sign that she has to go and she's finding a spot... like you, Nicole, after a minute or two, if nothing's happening, she's done *smiles*
> 
> Daryl and Jenny (who would love to be outside on any other day... but it's raining tonight)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nicole Torcolini via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
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> Sent: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 18:41:05 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Struggles with relieving?
> 
> Okay... A couple of things. To start, as has already been said, try to spend
> more time outside with your dog. This can be exercising or just sitting
> there and doing nothing. However, I would try to make the recreation/relax
> place different from the relieving place so that it is clear what you are
> doing when you go outside. If you have different places, your dog will
> probably catch on very quickly that she does not relax/recreate in the
> relieving area. As for if you want to continue to take her outside when she
> asks but it does not seem urgent, that is up to you. If you know your dog
> and are pretty sure that she does not need to go, you could just say, "No,
> not now", and then tell her to go or take her back to where she is supposed
> to lay. If she lays down in the grass when she is supposed to be doing her
> business, then take her back inside right away as she has clearly indicated
> that she does not need to go. Sniffing can be a hard one, and some dogs are
> very good at the whole, "If I pretend that I have to go, then I can get an
> opportunity to sniff." You can remind her that she is supposed to be doing
> her business by repeating the command. For me, if Lexia does not start
> moving her behind around, which is the indication that she is actually going
> to do something, within about a minute or a minute and a half, then time is
> up. Of course, I don't always do this, particularly if I know that she does
> need to go and there are a lot of distractions. However, if she's doing the
> "hoover" sniff, then I usually take that as an indication that she's just
> having a smellathon.
> 
> Nicole and Lexia
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven Tolliver
> via nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:51 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Struggles with relieving?
> 
> It is a signal that your dog wants to just be outside in the sunshine and
> fresh air. Aside from working her, do you ever play with her outside or sit
> out and soak up sun with her? There is nothing wrong with getting some
> sunshine and fresh air. If you don't allow her to spend some downtime
> outside, then this is her way of communicating to you that she needs it. It
> will not be a struggle if you provide her with a sufficient amount of free
> time outdoors.
> 
>> On 6/3/14, Daryl Marie via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hey,
>> 
>> Been noticing the past couple of days - and in general when it's been 
>> really warm - Jenny will give me a mild form of her take-me-out 
>> signal, but then will not go do her business when we DO go outside.  
>> yesterday, she even just laid down in the grass in the sunshine, and 
>> today she just kept sniffing around and then stood in the grass.  I am 
>> not overly concerned about this, because she will actually do her 
>> business several times a day... just a little curious.  has anyone 
>> else had power struggles with this?  Not sure this is what it is, but 
>> am starting to feel that way and don't want it to continue like this.
>> 
>> Daryl and Jenny
>> 
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