[nagdu] Feedeing lunch WAS relieving at airports was Denver airport

Wed Jun 11 06:36:31 UTC 2014

Daryl,
Scavenging is like jumping up on people: it's an inappropriate
behavior that a dog has learned is rewarding. It is not out of a need
for more food or nutrients unless your dog is scavenging in an herb
garden or something like that. Dogs are more likely to perform those
behaviors that yield rewards, so until the undesirable behavior no
longer yields rewards, or an alternative behavior yields a higher
value reward than the undesirable behavior, it will still rear its
ugly head.
On the subject of meals, feeding lunch is not necessary. If you find
your dog has higher caloric requirements due to energy level, simply
increase one meal or both appropriately, or feed food that is
nutrient-dense.
he only time I would advise someone to feed three separate meals is if
they are switching from ki**le to food, or supplementing ki**le with
food. Food digests at a different rate than ki**le, so it's important
to feed  the two separately.

On 6/10/14, Nicole Torcolini via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I don't know if it would help with scrounging  as that is not the reason
> for
> Lexia getting three meals a day. Breakfast and dinner are about 1.5 times
> the size of lunch, and lunch is a different food with more fiber. Lexia
> seems to need a certain amount of fiber to keep things working right. Also,
> Lexia is one of those dogs who will vomit bile (not pretty) if she does not
> have anything in her stomach. In addition, she also gets occasional snacks
> consisting of either a greenie (which she absolutely loves) or a few of the
> Science Diet biscuits. Out of curiosity, what food do you feed and how
> much?
> Does your dog seem extra hungry when you feed her? She's a lab, right? Some
> dogs just love to eat, even if they are not particularly hungry, but, then
> again, maybe she is not getting enough food, especially if she has a lot of
> energy and has a high level of activity
>
> Lexia is my first guide dog, so I don't really have anything with which to
> compare her, but, from what I have heard, it seems that the scrounging
> problem is just a personality/habit thing that may not really have any
> particular cause. Lexia does not do that much sniffing/looking for food, so
> I haven't really had to deal with it. Occasionally, she might try to grab
> something off of the floor in a restaurant or on the plane, but it's
> usually
> to late to do anything about it by the time I figure out what has happened.
> She knows to just dive after food that is out in the open. I've spilled a
> few pieces of dog food without knowing it until someone told me later, and
> she did not go after it.
>
> Nicole and Lexia who eats lunch
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daryl Marie via
> nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 7:52 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] Feedeing lunch WAS relieving at airports was Denver
> airport
>
> Nicole,
> You mention feeding lunch... Do you feed your dog more than 1-2 times a
> day?
> i.e. breakfast, lunch dinner?  Curious... wondering if this might help with
> the general scrounging problem...?
>
> Daryl
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nicole Torcolini via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: 'Gary Steeves' <rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca>, 'NAGDU Mailing List, the
> National Association of Guide Dog Users' <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:36:44 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] relieving at airports was Denver airport
>
> Lexia is also a grass reliever. Once, I took her to the indoor relieving
> room at the Seatac Airport, but, she, too, would have nothing to do with
> it.
> If I remember correctly, the outdoor area at the Mineta San José
> International-Silicon Valley Airport is fake grass, but it was not really
> an
> issue as it smelled enough from other dogs having done their business.
> 	The flight that I take the most is from San Jose to Seatac, which is
> not that long. I get up early enough for Lexia to have two opportunities to
> relieve before departing for the airport, and I don't let her drink
> immediately after the second time. I sometimes move her lunch a little
> later, depending on the time of the flight. Just before getting on the
> airplane, when I am doing my business for the last time, I give Lexia a
> *tiny* bit of water. As soon as I land in Seatac, I take her out, and she
> usually does everything, but that is more from the excitement of seeing my
> parents than from having to hold it. As a side note, one way to help avoid
> accidents is to know what can make your dog need to go more.
>
> Nicole and Lexia the frequent flyer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gary Steeves via
> nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 12:39 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] relieving at airports was Denver airport
>
>  Hi All:
>
> Bogart and I fly qutie often and I agree with everything Michael was
> saying.
> With bogart i stop food 12 hours before flying and water about 6 hours if
> the flight is over 3 hours. Even on my flight  to London England he didn't
> seem to have any problems. Once I got him outside and he went pee I made
> sure he got some water.  If I can I try to get him a run in before heading
> on long trips. This can be managed at my end but usually doesn't work out
> in
> the place  I'm visiting. I know that Bogart often goes 12 hours without
> going out over night so I don't worry about flights.  We took a look at the
> relieving room in the San Diego airport and bogart was having nothing to do
> with any of that. Bogart is a grass reliever so you can imagine the issues
> we had  walking around down town London where ther just isn't much grass.
> He
> finally dragged me to a tree coming out of a grate and let loose a great
> deal of liquid.  I do worry about him when  we travel, especially when
> there
> are delays but it is more my anxiety than his discomfort.
>
> Cheers
> Gary
>
> PS: don't know why the previous message sent before it was done being
> typed.
> Not so smart phones. :)
>
> On May 28, 2014 7:19:02 PM PDT, Michael Hingson via nagdu
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>Hi Kristen and all,
>>
>>Go in a regular bathroom?  It does sounds as if someone in Denver needs
>>some educating.
>>
>>It is not the responsibility of anyone else to take your dog outside to
>>relieve.  One possible option would be to take you outside inside the
>>security area, but there may or may not be people to do this, and the
>>kind of area on which your dog is use to relieving may not be
>>available.
>>
>>I think it is appropriate to make one additional observation.  In my
>>experience most guide dog schools discuss preparing to take a dog on a
>>trip.
>>We discuss with instructors how to cut down on water before traveling.
>>We
>>are also told that it might be wise to not give our dogs a meal before
>>traveling if the dog is prone to needing to relieve.  All this is to
>>say that with proper preparation a healthy dog should be able to go six
>>to eight hours without relieving.
>>
>>We can make life more stressful by assuming that our dogs need to go
>>out at every stop.  By doing this the dogs come to expect the trip out
>>and we get upset when we can't take our dogs outside to relieve.  I
>>have taken several guide dogs on long trips without any need to
>>relieve, but I worked to train the dogs to expect this and I helped by
>>insuring that their bladders and other parts were as empty as possible
>>before leaving home or by taking advantage of a relieving area at the
>>airport before going through Security.
>>
>>As one instructor put it to me once, "keep in mind that your dogs sleep
>>through the night and so they can go long periods of time without
>>relieving if you set the stage".  Let me be clear.  Some dogs may have
>>health issues and do need to relieve more often.  However, the average
>>dog can go for fairly long to very long times without the need to
>>relieve.  I have taken dogs to New Zealand, Korea, Japan and the
>>Netherlands without any stop to relieve. I travel across the United
>>States several times a month and never look for a relief area during a
>>lay-over except to know where they are if available in case of a future
>>emergency.
>>
>>You must do your part and you must instill confidence in the dog and
>>yourself, but it can be done.  I hope my thoughts help.
>>
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>
>>Michael Hingson
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kristen via
>>nagdu
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 02:12 PM
>>To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] Denver airport
>>
>>I did have an issue with that airport about a month ago. We had a
>>layover there, and they told us that we wouldn't be able to get past
>>security after taking Corvette outside (they had no inside
>>area) and have time to make our flight. They also didn't offer to take
>>him out for me and said that he should hold it or be able to go in a
>>regular bathroom. (He did end up holding it for about 6 hours that
>>day.) Maybe you'll have better luck!
>>--
>>Kristen
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: sheila via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>><nagdu at nfbnet.org Date sent: Wed, 28 May 2014 14:34:36 -0600
>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] Denver airport
>>
>>okay that is good. I won't borrow trouble. I've never had trouble in
>>other airports so I'll assume that I won't and just handle things if
>>they come up.
>>On 5/28/2014 2:06 PM, Sherry Gomes via nagdu wrote:
>>I just flew in and out of Denver when I went to and returned from GDB.
>>I
>>was  never put in any separate sort of room. I had some trouble with
>>ground assistance on the return but that was only with one person.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of sheila via
>>nagdu
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 1:45 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: [nagdu] denver airport
>>
>>                   denver airport        has anyone had any
>>trouble when
>>flying out of the denver airport as far as being put is a separate room
>>instead of near or at the departing gate?
>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>sheila leigland
>>
>>
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