[nagdu] fear and correction

Abigail Bolling violingirl30794 at gmail.com
Sat Jun 14 14:49:38 UTC 2014 

The problem is that my princess puppy is indiscriminate. She barks in and out of harness. I've been working her look command, and it seems to do well when she's out of harness. Haven't had the chance to do it while she's in harness yet. I'll let you guys know if it works.

Thank you so much for your advice!

Abigail Bolling 
"Keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the music play." (Julie Anderson Diamond)




> On Jun 13, 2014, at 5:42 AM, "Andrew J. LaPointe via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>           Hi, at Fidelco, I was told that it was fine to let my dog sniff out of harness.  When the harness is on, he is to be corrected if sniffing. I was told by what I look at as an expert and very well experienced dog handler that barking out of harness is acceptable.  As long as they know the differences of work and just being a dog..  Andy and Shubert
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Sherry Gomes via nagdu
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 4:34 AM
> To: 'Julie J.' ; 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] fear and correction
> 
> I'm the same way, out of harness sniffing and even barking are fine. I've
> found that being allowed to sniff out of harness is relaxing and as stress
> reliever for my dogs. And barking now and then doesn't bother me. None of my
> dogs have ever been excessive about it, barking nonstop for long periods of
> time. out of harness they are just dogs and I don't mind letting them be. I
> remember an instructor in my first guide dog class in 1975 telling us to
> remember that our guides were dogs first and guide dogs second. That's
> helped me understand my dogs better over the years but it also made me okay
> with doggie behavior like sniffing and barking.
> 
> Sherry
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J. via
> nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 7:30 PM
> To: Nicole Torcolini; NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
> Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] fear and correction
> 
> But that's the thing, sniffing and barking are not a problem for me.  I
> freely allow both out of harness...unless he goes way overboard.  If that
> happens I just redirect him to something else that isn't bothersome.  I
> don't correct for sniffing or barking.
> 
> Neither behavior, sniffing or barking, is an issue in harness.  Monty has
> never barked away from the house in or out of harness.  He will occasionally
> 
> sniff, but it isn't a frequent thing or something that distracts him from
> what he's supposed to be doing.   His sniffing is more like breathing deeply
> 
> in the general direction of something.  He doesn't deviate from the path and
> 
> he doesn't plant his face smack into the middle of whatever it is he wants
> to smell.  I'm quite content with the current arrangement.   It's working
> for us and I see no need to change it.
> 
> Julie
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole Torcolini via nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 7:29 PM
> To: 'Julie J.' ; 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] fear and correction
> 
> Lexia was never a barker anyway, so it is not a problem with which I have
> had to deal. There are some behaviors, such as running around and having
> fun, that I allow out of harness but not in harness. However, there are
> others, such as sniffing and, if it was a problem, barking, that I do not
> allow at all.
> 
> Nicole and the quiet Lexia
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J. via
> nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 3:58 PM
> To: Daryl Marie; NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] fear and correction
> 
> I don't think I'm probably the best person for advice about unwanted
> barking!  LOL  My dogs bark like insane maniacs in the yard.   My philosophy
> 
> is that they are dogs and dogs bark and they should embrace their dogness
> and bark...in the yard, in daylight hours and stop before my head starts
> pounding or the neighbors start complaining!
> 
> It is interesting that when I have Monty out with me in the unfenced portion
> of the yard, he doesn't bark, like ever.  The only two places he has ever
> barked are in the house and in the fenced yard, both places where he's
> contained in some way.   Perhaps it's an issue of frustration that he can't
> go check out what he's looking/barking at?   I don't let him go check out
> random things when he's in harness, but maybe he feels like he's freer to
> look at things?  I don't know.  It's interesting to ponder though.
> 
> Julie
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daryl Marie via nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 1:45 PM
> To: Julie J.
> Cc: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] fear and correction
> 
> Julie,
> 
> Your Monty sounds a lot like Jenny in behavior.  She has only ever barked 3
> times  in harness:
> 1) When a really drunk REALLY weird guy approached me at a bus stop (I've
> had weird/drunk people approach me before, but this one set her off)
> 2) When someone was tying their shoe in the middle of a sidewalk. She
> couldn't go around him (busy street to  my left, 3-foot snowbank on my
> right)
> 3) When a bartender made prolonged uninterrupted eye contact with her.
> 
> Usually, though, out of harness, I am almost always with her when she barks.
> 
> At home I would be on the computer and she'll just perk up and bark at
> something.  Perhaps the redirection is a good one.
> 
> This begs another question.  Sometimes Jenny will bark at neighbors if she
> sees them when we step outside to relieve.  This only happens at home, never
> anywhere else.  Any advice?
> 
> Daryl and the vocal Jenny
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Julie J. via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: Abigail Bolling <violingirl30794 at gmail.com>, NAGDU Mailing List, the
> National Association of Guide Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:01:09 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] fear and correction
> 
> At home I call Monty to me and praise him for coming.  If him leaving the
> situation and coming to me doesn't seem to enhance his calm I will use
> calming petting or tell him to down and stay until the UPS delivery guy is
> gone or the neighbors are done with their loud conversation in the street or
> whatever.  With Monty, it's an alert behavior.  he wants me to know there's
> something going on.  when I acknowledge that, he usually quits.
> 
> Admittedly, he's kind of barky at home.  I've just come to accept that he's
> always going to let me know there's something happening outside.
> Interestingly he does not feel the need to bark when we are out and about.
> I'm okay with this arrangement.
> 
> Julie
> 
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