[nagdu] [nagdu Professional Guide Dog trainer need
The Pawpower Pack
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Sat Jun 14 18:22:43 UTC 2014
Julie is very correct about the timeframe it will take. I have just finished training my dog and it took 6 months. She was a rare find— an older dog with complete medical history. I have trained dogs for others and if you start with an adult, you are looking at anywhere between 4 months to a year. You also have to factor in the time it will take for searching. Have you thought of doing most with the foundation work yourself then working with a local trainer? Then you could start right after you found the dog. If you would like to email off list, my email is at the end of my signature.
Best of luck,
Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
Pawpower4me at gmail.com
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> On Jun 14, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Dan Weiner via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Interesting thread.
> First of all, let me sincerely express my sadness at your loss, Patty.
> Having had to put down my Evan a few years ago, not to mention my first dog
> many years before that, I understand how bad it feels.
> I never met your Lexy, though I do vividly remember your Alegra.
>
> The whole list is here to support you.
>
> I am certainly curious about the private trainer option though I ddoubtt I
> will do it in the future but you never know.
> My concern is making sure ththe trainer actually knows what you need and
> will listen to you, of course that's the same with our school
> trainers--smile.
>
> So keep us posted.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Dan W. and
> the Parker Dog
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J. via
> nagdu
> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 1:41 PM
> To: Patricia Homan; NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] [nagdu Professional Guide Dog trainer need
>
> Patty,
>
> I am currently having my dog trained by a private trainer. she is doing
> extremely well. I will have her back mid August. she will have been
> with the trainer for a year.
>
> If you are wanting a guide right away, I'm not sure this is the best option.
>
> I started with a puppy. I had looked off and on for a couple of years for
> the right breeder. For various reasons none of them worked out. I had just
> about given up when I found the right one.
>
> The puppies were only a month old then. So I waited for a couple of weeks
> so I could go look at them and pick mine from the litter. a couple more
> weeks before Jetta could come home with me. I had her for a week and then
> took her to the trainer, where she's been ever since.
>
> If you were to start with an older dog, it could shorten the time, but there
> are trade offs for doing that. You won't know the exact history of the dog.
>
> You don't know the extent of socialization and training the dog will have
> received. There are dogs who can have lived in a backyard with little
> variety in their life and still turn out to be excellent guides, but they
> are rare.
>
> Most likely if you start with an older dog you can count on spending a few
> extra months working on basic skills and intense socialization, that dogs
> raised to be guides would have gotten at a much earlier age.
>
> I'd plan on 3 to 6 months to find the right dog, either a puppy or an older
> puppy or adult. A puppy is going to need a year to grow up and attain basic
> skills and the socialization needed. An older puppy or adult can probably
> get this part done in 3 to 6 months. then add in the guide training, so
> maybe another 3 to 6 months.
>
> Of course all those are just guesstimates. Monty was an older puppy when I
> got him. It took me 14 months before I considered him trained well enough
> to be considered a fully trained dog. Belle was about 9 months old when I
> got her and she was fully trained in one year. I got Jetta at 8 weeks old
> and she will be working as a fully trained guide at 14 months old, so one
> year of training. Because she will be so young, I won't be working her all
> the time. I plan on alternating between her and Monty to ease her into full
> time guiding and to ease Monty into retirement.
>
> I know of a couple of owner trainers who have found a dog in only a few
> weeks and had the dog trained in 4-6 months. It can be done, but I
> wouldn't bank on that time frame.
>
> I'm very happy with choosing Meghan to train Jetta for me. I am also beyond
> pleased with how well Jetta is doing. I would recommend Meghan to anyone
> considering this route. However if the time frame is really important to
> you, I think you'll be frustrated and disappointed.
>
> HTH
> Julie
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patricia Homan via nagdu
> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 10:52 AM
> To: 'Alyssa' ; 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] [nagdu Professional Guide Dog trainer need
>
> Hi All:
> As some of you already know, My beloved Levi, My beautiful golden girl
> passed a way suddenly 2 days ago.
> There are no words now for me to describe how I field at this time.
> specially I guess not knowing the exact Couse.
> All I know is that she is gone, and we will never be together again.
> Now all I need is to get a succesor dog as soon as possible. I miss my
> independence and freedom that I field I can only get with a guide dog. I am
> now considering different options and schools but an option that I think I
> would like to explore more at this time is to get a professional guide dog
> trainer that could train a dog specially for media understand there is some
> people on the list who have done so. and even think there is someone who
> professionally does this. World you guys please, please get in touch with
> me.
> call or write to me if you would like of list as not to colder it.
> Thanks
> Warm Regards
> Patty
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alyssa via nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 2:45 PM
> To: Abigail Bolling; NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
> Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I have some advice I would like to share.
>
> There is a clip for the harness handle? Where would I find this?
> Alyssa
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 12, 2014, at 12:43 PM, Abigail Bolling via nagdu
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> personally, I try to always try to have a cane in my purse. I am
>> thinking about getting one of those clips you can put on your harness
>> that will hold a cane on the harness handle!
>> There are always going to be situations puppies will not be
>> comfortable working through, troubleshooting them with a cane can
>> sometimes help your dog be more comfortable walking through that situation
> later.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Abby and Jada
>>
>> Wright Statue University: Social Work, Psychology, Biology
>>
>> "Keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart and just let the
>> music play." (Julie Anderson Diamond)
>>> On Jun 11, 2014, at 2:09 PM, L Gwizdak via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Brandon,
>>> The old NFB philosophy about cane vs dog use had alot to do with the
>>> NFB's philosophy on what makes us independent. People use to think a
>>> person wasn't really being an independent traveler if they were
>>> relying on a dog's eyes as opposed to being wholly dependent on your
>>> own wits with the white cane.
>>>
>>> Things are different now as there are more and more people in NFB who
>>> have a variety of needs and abilities. I have never felt unwelcome
>>> in any NFB activities because of my dog. As in any other group of
>>> people, you'll find people who don't like dogs and make no bones about
> that.
>>> That's just life. But there is nothing in current NFB philosophy that
>>> is anti guide dog. The NFB does feel strongly that people should
>>> retain their caning skills to the best of their ability. Right now,
>>> I am between dogs and am using my cane for several months as I
>>> recover from my recent surgery. I do and go to everything I do wioth a
> guide dog.
>>> Keeping up with cane skills is essential. You never know if your dog
>>> gets sick or injured and you have to use a cane. You never know if
>>> you suddenly find yourself without your dog due to retirement of the
>>> dog, it becomes disabled. You still need to carry on with your life
>>> and that includes getting from Point A to Point B.
>>>
>>> Good luck in getting your dog.
>>>
>>> Lyn who used to have Landon
>>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is
>>> like asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brandon A. Olivares via nagdu"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>; "NAGDU Mailing List,the
>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 10:26 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I have some advice I would like to share.
>>>
>>>
>>> May I ask what this former philosophy was? I've not been familiar
>>> with the NFB long enough to really be in the loop on such matters,
>>> and am curious why dogs might not have been as accepted as they are
> today.
>>>> On Jun 9, 2014, at 12:27 PM, Cindy Ray via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don't know. Maybe I missed something. Everyone who can ought to
>>>> have good cane skills; there are clearly people who cannot. My
>>>> ex-husband had as good of cane skills as he could with his hearing
>>>> loss; it created problems when he didn't have a dog. Most of us
>>>> aren't going to have a fall back dog if the dog gets sick. As for
>>>> the NFB's philosophy, that ship has pretty much sailed. We aren't
>>>> back in the 70s and 60s or even 80s and early 90s anymore, so I
>>>> should think we should let the former cane dog controversy go to
>>>> bed. Sure, there are still vestiges of it; but it isn't an NFB
>>>> thing. The use of dogs has , in general, increased since the time of
>>>> the former philosophy, though the NFB always had to accept dogs, for
>>>> instance, at conventions. Some of us as individuals are less
>>>> tolerant than many others in the public maybe, but it is still not a
>>>> part of the NFB philosophy, and many folks have changed their minds
>>>> on the issue. I, for instance, used to think much as that former
>>>> philosophy dictated. But I truly believe that a person needs to be
>>>> independent in whatever way it is possible and that most of us
>>>> should become as capable of using a cane as we can in the event of
> problems that we would rather not thing of occurring.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 9, 2014, at 11:14 AM, The Pawpower Pack via nagdu
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dan, I'm going to agree with you here. I'm deafblind with some
>>>>> pretty severe vestibular issues which cause my balance to be very
>>>>> bad. If I did not have a dog, I'd need to be with a person all the
>>>>> time. I cannot use a cane because if I don't use a dog, I use a
> walker.
>>>>> I usually have 2 dogs- one semi retired and one young whippersnapper.
>>>>> If one gets sick I have a fallback. I also know my resources and
>>>>> have things like paratransit that I can use to go where I'd need
>>>>> although it'd be slower and way more awkward.
>>>>> If blindness is your only disability, I do think it's important to
>>>>> use your cane from time to time. But also to understand that for
>>>>> some of us, that's just not reality.
>>>>> It doesn't make anyone better than anyone else much like me using a
>>>>> sign language interpreter does not make me any less able or less of
>>>>> a person than someone who can hear.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
>>>>> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
>>>>> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 9, 2014, at 11:00 AM, Dan Weiner via nagdu
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh well, you guys are very competent cane users and I certainly
>>>>>> give you credit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I however will not mince words in my experience a dog is far
>>>>>> superior to the long white cane.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Having said that, I know that different people use different tools
>>>>>> well but I will tell you that the most active times of my life
>>>>>> were made possible because of my using a dog and my motivation,
>>>>>> both go together of course--smile
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The training I received with a guide dog and my interaction with
>>>>>> the dog as well as my high motivation made my travel experience
>>>>>> pretty awesome.
>>>>>> I surmize that some of my fellow federationsists like to downplay
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> benefits their dogs have given them because they feel shy about
>>>>>> saying too
>>>>>> much in praise of a dog because maybe it would undermie or
>>>>>> contradict
>>>>>> federation philosophy in some way.
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> I however am not ashamed to say that I went to Japan and studied
>>>>>> there for almost two years with my Labrador guide, Evan, and
>>>>>> negotiated very crowded conditions and got all around Tokyo.
>>>>>> The fact that I knew I would be able to go around people and
>>>>>> obstacles, etc.
>>>>>> and just the thrill of getting out there and letting Evan do his
>>>>>> work made me actually want to get out there and do things.
>>>>>> I used a cane before that of course, but had been getting
>>>>>> increasingly dependent and worried due to traffic conditions and
>>>>>> my hearing loss on the left side, as well as my tendency to get
>>>>>> massively disorientated or is it disoriented due to veering.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My independent travel with a dog as compared with my independent
>>>>>> travel with a cane is about a ratio of five to one, maybe ten to
>>>>>> one to be blunt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And of course, keeping cane skills up is a great idea,I'm not
>>>>>> arguing with that....but what I am saying is there are some things
>>>>>> I just can't do with a cane or do them very badly that I can with
>>>>>> ease do with my doggies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yours most sincerely,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dan the man, Parker the dog
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gary
>>>>>> Steeves via nagdu
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 10:28 AM
>>>>>> To: Leonard Stamper; NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association
>>>>>> of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I have some advice I would like to share.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we all agree that keeping up cane skills is important on
>>>>>> several levels. First, it gives us all a sense of security
>>>>>> knowing that, as much as we love our dogs and the job they do, we
>>>>>> know that we could get around without them. It is very different
>>>>>> using the cane and dog but doable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The other reason is to give confidence to those around us. I was
>>>>>> shocked on saturday when i had to get a certain intersection where
>>>>>> my band was setting up to play at an outdoor street festival. My
>>>>>> girlfriend asked how i was
>>>>>> going to do it with out bogart? I was sort of shocked since i'd been
>
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> this band 6 years before bogart showed up and i'd got to many of
>>>>>> these types of gigs. Yes, i admit that navigating metro stations
>>>>>> is a bit more challenging with cane over dog but on the other
>>>>>> hand Iwas able to get to the bus stop in under 2w minutes from my
>>>>>> house, a time that bogart could never compete with. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So just mjade me realize that i needed to reassure Susan that my
>>>>>> cane skills are just as d as they were before. I actually try to
>>>>>> plan a day full of errands all over the city when I take bogart to
>>>>>> the groomers to make me keep my caning up to date.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good advice and thanks for sharing with us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On June 8, 2014 12:55:22 PM PDT, Leonard Stamper via nagdu
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone hello everybody this is Leonard again. I had
>>>>>>> a thought I would like to share, especially with new and
>>>>>>> potential god dog users. I know from experience when you first
>>>>>>> get your dog you Thelda came in the closet and probably will
>>>>>>> forget it exists. But here is a nugget of valuable information
>>>>>>> for you to think about. As we all know a guy dog will only work
>>>>>>> for so many years. Also, your life will still have to go on after
>>>>>>> that dog retires. I believe it would be a great idea, if everyone
>>>>>>> would get out the pain and just use it every once in a while just
>>>>>>> to keep your skill set shop enough that something was to happen
>>>>>>> to your dog, or here she has to retire you would not be
>>>>>>> housebound or taking your life in your hands when you travel.
>>>>>>> Just thought I would share that everybody, and your doggies stay
>>>>>>> safe and God bless.
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