[nagdu] fear and correction

Dan Weiner dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net
Sun Jun 15 20:39:06 UTC 2014


I think what we might be forgetting here is that these are dogs and not
robots.
I'm not saying to let your dog sniff or scavenge or whatever, that is a
question of your comfort level.
I am saying that to expect that it won't happen is making the mistake of
thinking the dog is a robot, dogs sometimes sniff or look for food and bark
and so on.

In this way we are unwittingly falling in to the same trap as the general
public who thinks that our dogs are super dogs.
How many times has my dog of the moment say sniffed something and I got the
dog's attention back and someone will say "I thought they didn't do that.".
Or "I thought they wee trained better," or "I thought they were trained not
to do that.".

Now as far as barking, I suppose it really depends what the stimulus it is
that is causing the problem and how often and under what circumstances.

Now having said that, I do think our dogs are amazing, but not for the same
reason as the well-meaning if sometimes educated public.
I think the fact that we are interacting with a different species if you
will to get our needs accomplished, in this case getting around, is a pretty
inspiring thing.


Yours sincerely,

Dan the man, Parker the dog

 

-----Original Message-----
From: 	 [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Barb breuer via
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Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 4:19 PM
To: Andrew
Subject: Re: [nagdu] fear and correction

I would have to agree with you.  I was always told that  when the dog is in
harness he is working and should acted accordingly.  But when out of harness
he is a well behaved dog.  In or out of harness he should listen to you. 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew J. LaPointe via nagdu
To: Sherry Gomes, NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
Users
Sent: June 13, 2014 at 4:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] fear and correction

            Hi, at Fidelco, I was told that it was fine to let my dog sniff
out of harness.  When the harness is on, he is to be corrected if sniffing. 
I was told by what I look at as an expert and very well experienced dog
handler that barking out of harness is acceptable.  As long as they know the
differences of work and just being a dog..  Andy and Shubert

-----Original Message-----
From: Sherry Gomes via nagdu
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 4:34 AM
To: 'Julie J.' ; 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] fear and correction

I'm the same way, out of harness sniffing and even barking are fine. I've
found that being allowed to sniff out of harness is relaxing and as stress
reliever for my dogs. And barking now and then doesn't bother me. None of my
dogs have ever been excessive about it, barking nonstop for long periods of
time. out of harness they are just dogs and I don't mind letting them be. I
remember an instructor in my first guide dog class in 1975 telling us to
remember that our guides were dogs first and guide dogs second. That's
helped me understand my dogs better over the years but it also made me okay
with doggie behavior like sniffing and barking.

Sherry


-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J. via
nagdu
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 7:30 PM
To: Nicole Torcolini; NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] fear and correction

But that's the thing, sniffing and barking are not a problem for me.  I
freely allow both out of harness...unless he goes way overboard.  If that
happens I just redirect him to something else that isn't bothersome.  I
don't correct for sniffing or barking.

Neither behavior, sniffing or barking, is an issue in harness.  Monty has
never barked away from the house in or out of harness.  He will occasionally

sniff, but it isn't a frequent thing or something that distracts him from
what he's supposed to be doing.   His sniffing is more like breathing deeply

in the general direction of something.  He doesn't deviate from the path and

he doesn't plant his face smack into the middle of whatever it is he wants
to smell.  I'm quite content with the current arrangement.   It's working
for us and I see no need to change it.

Julie


-----Original Message-----
From: Nicole Torcolini via nagdu
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 7:29 PM
To: 'Julie J.' ; 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] fear and correction

Lexia was never a barker anyway, so it is not a problem with which I have
had to deal. There are some behaviors, such as running around and having
fun, that I allow out of harness but not in harness. However, there are
others, such as sniffing and, if it was a problem, barking, that I do not
allow at all.

Nicole and the quiet Lexia

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J. via
nagdu
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 3:58 PM
To: Daryl Marie; NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] fear and correction

I don't think I'm probably the best person for advice about unwanted
barking!  LOL  My dogs bark like insane maniacs in the yard.   My philosophy

is that they are dogs and dogs bark and they should embrace their dogness
and bark...in the yard, in daylight hours and stop before my head starts
pounding or the neighbors start complaining!

It is interesting that when I have Monty out with me in the unfenced portion
of the yard, he doesn't bark, like ever.  The only two places he has ever
barked are in the house and in the fenced yard, both places where he's
contained in some way.   Perhaps it's an issue of frustration that he can't
go check out what he's looking/barking at?   I don't let him go check out
random things when he's in harness, but maybe he feels like he's freer to
look at things?  I don't know.  It's interesting to ponder though.

Julie



-----Original Message-----
From: Daryl Marie via nagdu
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 1:45 PM
To: Julie J.
Cc: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] fear and correction

Julie,

Your Monty sounds a lot like Jenny in behavior.  She has only ever barked 3
times  in harness:
1) When a really drunk REALLY weird guy approached me at a bus stop (I've
had weird/drunk people approach me before, but this one set her off)
2) When someone was tying their shoe in the middle of a sidewalk. She
couldn't go around him (busy street to  my left, 3-foot snowbank on my
right)
3) When a bartender made prolonged uninterrupted eye contact with her.

Usually, though, out of harness, I am almost always with her when she barks.

At home I would be on the computer and she'll just perk up and bark at
something.  Perhaps the redirection is a good one.

This begs another question.  Sometimes Jenny will bark at neighbors if she
sees them when we step outside to relieve.  This only happens at home, never
anywhere else.  Any advice?

Daryl and the vocal Jenny
----- Original Message -----
From: Julie J. via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
To: Abigail Bolling <violingirl30794 at gmail.com>, NAGDU Mailing List, the
National Association of Guide Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:01:09 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Re: [nagdu] fear and correction

At home I call Monty to me and praise him for coming.  If him leaving the
situation and coming to me doesn't seem to enhance his calm I will use
calming petting or tell him to down and stay until the UPS delivery guy is
gone or the neighbors are done with their loud conversation in the street or
whatever.  With Monty, it's an alert behavior.  he wants me to know there's
something going on.  when I acknowledge that, he usually quits.

Admittedly, he's kind of barky at home.  I've just come to accept that he's
always going to let me know there's something happening outside.
Interestingly he does not feel the need to bark when we are out and about.
I'm okay with this arrangement.

Julie


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