[nagdu] GDB time-out

[Sherry Gomes]

I like the time out a lot because it's effective and not compulsive like
corrections. It took me a while to get used to it. I like how Raven
described it because it's better than the brief mention and description I
put up on my blog. it's pretty much what the instructors said as well. 



-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 7:00 AM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDB time-out

This is something I hadn't heard much before. I've done it before I think,
but it could also be a moment in which you can yourself calm down if you are
frustrated for any reason. I've used "doggie push ups" but not "time out."

Cindy Lou

On May 6, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca> wrote:

> I use this method with Jenny when she's pulling or getting too excited in
an unfamiliar area.  Occasionally I will have to repeat the process more
than once, or extend the time to 30-60 seconds if she's not just sitting
calmly.  it's improving her pulling exponentially, and I'm noticing slight
improvements in other things as well.
> 
> Daryl
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Tue, 06 May 2014 07:38:33 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDB time-out
> 
> Tracy,
> In the dog training field, this time-out is called negative
> punishment. Negative punishment is simply removing a stimulus to
> change the behavior. Another example of this is ceasing petting a dog
> when he jumps up, or walking or turning away from a dog who begins
> barking for attention. As soon as the dog performs an undesirable
> behavior, the thing that the dog desires is removed from the
> environment. That desirable thing can be a toy, attention, movement
> forward on a walk, and so on; it depends on the situation. The goal is
> to get the dog to understand that undesirable behaviors yield no
> reward, and in this way, these behaviors are minimized or extinct. The
> object is not ignoring a dog, but not rewarding the dog for
> undesirable behavior.
> This negative punishment doesn't necessarily need to bum the dog out
> or make them sad, it just needs to convey that there is no reward for
> undesirable behavior. The goal hear is not negative feelings of any
> kind, but a change in behavior. A dog doesn't need to feel
> disappointed in order to understand that a certain behavior is
> undesirable.
> I use negative punishment with every dog I train. The time-out concept
> can be used with those dogs who are very high-strung, jumping onto
> things or people, pulling on a leash, and in other circumstances. This
> method works with all kinds of dogs.
> For a time-out, just heel your dog to your side, hold the leash slack,
> have him sit, and remain still , quiet, and relaxed for 10 to 15
> seconds. This is not tense, angry, or frustrating. We're just calming
> down and taking a breather.
> 
> 
> On 5/6/14, Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net> wrote:
>> I've been reading Sherry's GDB training journal with great interest.  She
>> mentions something I never heard of before that they call a time-out.  If
>> I understand correctly, when the dog, for instance, is not heeling
>> properly, the person stops, holds the leash near the collar to keep the
>> dog out of mischief, and stonily ignores the dog for 10 seconds.  This
>> bums the dog out, and he resolves to do better.  Have I got it right?  Is
>> it used in other places, besides heeling?  Have people found that it
>> works?
>> I'm thinking I might give it a try, when Ben is feeling sniffy.  He likes
>> to keep boogying down the road; stopping and doing nothing might be an
>> effective correction. Ben couldn't care less if I ignore him, but I could
>> see how it might affect a softer dog.
>> Tracy
>> 
>> 
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