[nagdu] GDB time-out

[Tami Jarvis]

I do something really similar, and it works amazingly with both Mitzi 
and Zay. I don't time it but wait for the sign that the dog has decided 
to shape up and get back to being good. When Mitzi was younger, I spent 
some long intervals standing and staring into space away from the 
stubborn little monster. /lol/ What's really funny is that if I blow a 
curb or something, she will stand and stare away from me in exactly the 
same way until I shape up and remember to pay attention. It's very 
effective in getting me to straighten up and fly right. /smile/

Tami

On 05/06/2014 07:00 AM, Julie J. wrote:
> In all the training books and blogs I've read, not guide dog related,
> this time out concept is called, "becoming a tree".   I use it when
> teaching the heel or loose leash walking concept and it really does
> work.  I don't time it though.  I wait for the dog to show signs of
> settling, noticing me or stopping whatever nonsense he was doing.   It
> also gives the person an opportunity to take a few deep breaths and get
> unfrustrated.   For me, I think that part was just as beneficial.
>
> Everything Raven says is spot on.
>
> Julie
>
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> -----Original Message----- From: Raven Tolliver
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 8:38 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDB time-out
>
> Tracy,
> In the dog training field, this time-out is called negative
> punishment. Negative punishment is simply removing a stimulus to
> change the behavior. Another example of this is ceasing petting a dog
> when he jumps up, or walking or turning away from a dog who begins
> barking for attention. As soon as the dog performs an undesirable
> behavior, the thing that the dog desires is removed from the
> environment. That desirable thing can be a toy, attention, movement
> forward on a walk, and so on; it depends on the situation. The goal is
> to get the dog to understand that undesirable behaviors yield no
> reward, and in this way, these behaviors are minimized or extinct. The
> object is not ignoring a dog, but not rewarding the dog for
> undesirable behavior.
> This negative punishment doesn't necessarily need to bum the dog out
> or make them sad, it just needs to convey that there is no reward for
> undesirable behavior. The goal hear is not negative feelings of any
> kind, but a change in behavior. A dog doesn't need to feel
> disappointed in order to understand that a certain behavior is
> undesirable.
> I use negative punishment with every dog I train. The time-out concept
> can be used with those dogs who are very high-strung, jumping onto
> things or people, pulling on a leash, and in other circumstances. This
> method works with all kinds of dogs.
> For a time-out, just heel your dog to your side, hold the leash slack,
> have him sit, and remain still , quiet, and relaxed for 10 to 15
> seconds. This is not tense, angry, or frustrating. We're just calming
> down and taking a breather.
>
>
> On 5/6/14, Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net> wrote:
>> I've been reading Sherry's GDB training journal with great interest.  She
>> mentions something I never heard of before that they call a time-out.  If
>> I understand correctly, when the dog, for instance, is not heeling
>> properly, the person stops, holds the leash near the collar to keep the
>> dog out of mischief, and stonily ignores the dog for 10 seconds.  This
>> bums the dog out, and he resolves to do better.  Have I got it right?  Is
>> it used in other places, besides heeling?  Have people found that it
>> works?
>> I'm thinking I might give it a try, when Ben is feeling sniffy.  He likes
>> to keep boogying down the road; stopping and doing nothing might be an
>> effective correction. Ben couldn't care less if I ignore him, but I could
>> see how it might affect a softer dog.
>> Tracy
>>
>>
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