[nagdu] GDB time-out

Tue May 6 18:28:43 UTC 2014

My suggestion would be that if that's your concern, don't use it.  I've used 
it in lots of busy places, BART stations, streets of Oakland, baseball games 
at AT&T Park.  People adjust and move around us.  If you think New Yorkers 
are incapable of adjusting, then don't risk your safety.

Certainly I've never used it in the middle of an intersection.

Our instructors at GDB gave us a saying, "When in doubt, time out."  It was 
kind of a reset button.  They told us the dogs were trained to know that 
when we released the harness handle, something was wrong.  They used it a 
lot for dog distractions.  If we came on a dog (sometimes placed there by 
other insturctors for our training), and our dogs were distracted, we would 
drop the handle, pull the dog close, and wait for ten seconds or so.  We 
would then "forward".  If the dog were undistracted for ten or fifteen 
paces, we would "halt" and reward for undistracted behavior.

Craig and Chase

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Howard J. Levine" <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDB time-out

> How would time out work in busy city like New York on a busy side walk. 
> This
> may work in theory on class but but would not work in rush hour on a busy
> side walk you would be run over. Time out is not going to work in a city
> like New York, guide dog nust be able to handle the real world and you 
> need
> to move on you just can't stop any old place and say I need a time out for
> my guide dog the public is not going to under stand and you night get 
> hurt.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 12:12 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDB time-out
>
> Hi Sherry.
> I think you and I are coming from the same place--longtime dog users, a 
> bit
> skeptical of these newfangled ideas, but willing to give them a try.
> I think I'll try this time-out thing on my way home today.  I may get ten
> people asking me if I'm OK while I stop and become a tree, but I'll be
> interested to see how it goes.
> Thanks for sharing.
> Tracy
>> Hi Tracy,
>>
>> We also use the time out if the dog gets distracted in the field. To
>> my surprise, it really works. I was quite skeptical of the concept
>> till I tried it. All my dogs have been pretty easy to manage, and I've
>> tried the verbal correcting thing with her, just a simple, no hop up.
>> but the time out works better. and pretty much every time, after the
>> ten seconds are done and I pick up the harness and say forward, off we
>> go. Once the dog moves past whatever distracted it, we generally halt
>> and praise and feed, or in the case of my dog, praise and love up.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy
>> Carcione
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 6:08 AM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] GDB time-out
>>
>> I've been reading Sherry's GDB training journal with great interest.
>> She mentions something I never heard of before that they call a
>> time-out.  If I understand correctly, when the dog, for instance, is
>> not heeling properly, the person stops, holds the leash near the
>> collar to keep the dog out of mischief, and stonily ignores the dog
>> for 10 seconds.  This bums the dog out, and he resolves to do better.
>> Have I got it right?  Is it used in other places, besides heeling?
>> Have people found that it works?
>> I'm thinking I might give it a try, when Ben is feeling sniffy.  He
>> likes to keep boogying down the road; stopping and doing nothing might
>> be an effective correction. Ben couldn't care less if I ignore him,
>> but I could see how it might affect a softer dog.
>> Tracy
>>
>>
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