[nagdu] Ownership; what about other countries?

Gary Steeves rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca
Wed May 7 22:23:20 UTC 2014


Hello:

As daryl has said, i travel a lot with bogart and have never been asked to show his school id or the little card i got from the province. Usually being in harness and doing his job seems to enough for all the different modes of canadian transporet i've used.

Gary


On May 5, 2014 4:13:43 PM PDT, Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com> wrote:
>Interesting... I know a Canadian owner-trainer, but I've never gotten 
>around to asking her about credentials. She's off on vacation, so I'll 
>have to remember to see if she has to do anything special with her OT
>dog.
>
>There are folks here who think it would perfectly reasonable to have a 
>training program evaluate and sign off on owner-trained dogs. I shudder
>
>at the thought. The whole concept of a blind person training her own
>dog 
>goes against their fundraising spiel. I would not automatically trust a
>
>trainer from such a program to be objective. I'm sure some of them
>could 
>be, but others... Well, no thanks. /smile/
>
>Tami
>
>On 05/05/2014 03:37 PM, Julie J. wrote:
>> I know of owner trainers in the UK and New Zealand.  In both cases
>the
>> law requires that a guide dog be qualified.  In practical terms this
>> means someone from the guide dog school has to come out and assess
>the
>> team and issue their approval and credentials.  In one case the owner
>> trainer was not even able to get the school to come out to look at
>her
>> and her dog, so she continues to work the dog, uncertified.  In the
>> other case the school personnel came out, but felt the dog was not up
>to
>> par.  Last I knew she was working with the dog to brush up on the
>> deficient skills identified and was going to try again, but I don't
>know
>> if that happened.  In the meantime, I think she still works the dog.
>>
>> I don't know about any other countries.  You'd just have to look at
>> their laws and see what they require.  All the instances of people
>> traveling to other countries that I know of  where they require some
>> sort of program certification, it hasn't been a problem if the dog
>comes
>> from an American school.  However owner trainers from the U.S. would
>> probably encounter difficulties in traveling to these countries.
>>
>> HTH
>> Julie
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Vivianna
>> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 5:00 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Ownership; what about other countries?
>>
>> well, i actually was truly interested in the ownership of the guide
>> dogs.  i wonder if some folks in the states are the only ones in the
>> world who actually hold the ownership of their dogs?
>> since i am only familiar with the UK being that i have been there 4
>> times, that is the only other country that i have any knowledge about
>in
>> that area.
>> and what about owner trained dogs?  i mean, can you owner train your
>dog
>> in any other country and hold the same rights as here in the states?
>>
>> Vivianna
>>
>> On May 5, 2014, at 2:16 PM, Star Gazer <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>
>>> Very interesting Vivianna.
>>> I was in England on a youth exchange many years ago. I did meet some
>>> folks
>>> with guide dogs, though I didn't know enough about guide dogs to
>know if
>>> they were well behaved.
>>> I did get the impression that these folks, as well as everybody else
>felt
>>> that the government had done this really wonderful thing by
>providing
>>> them
>>> with dogs.
>>> I'd love to talk more with you about this as one of the critisisms
>of
>>> u.s.
>>> schools is that they do not train off leash recall like the European
>>> schools.
>>> If ou'd like, write me off list.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vivianna
>>> Sent: Monday, May 5, 2014 12:05 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Ownership; what about other countries?
>>>
>>> all this talk of ownership and the policies of different schools has
>me
>>> wondering about other countries.
>>> i know that, in the UK not only do they give you the dog, all its
>food
>>> for
>>> life, all the vet bills for life, board if you go out of town, and
>who
>>> knows
>>> what else but, they tell you when to retire the dog and come and
>take it
>>> from you when they say it's time to retire the dog.
>>> i know many many folks there have guide dogs simply because it's a
>free
>>> deal.  the ones that i have seen were extremely misbehaved in my
>opinion.
>>> jumping on people, barking, running around at the end of the leash.
>>> i will venture to say that blind folks here in the states, and even
>in
>>> canada are leaps and bounds ahead of most of the world in the
>>> independence
>>> department.
>>> sure, it's nifty to have everything pertaining to the dog and it's
>care
>>> given to you for free but, i'd rather pay for everything on my own
>and
>>> make
>>> my own decisions on how to feed my dog, what vet to take her to,
>etc.
>>> i know, i know, yet another contraversial topic.  smiley.
>>>
>>> Vivianna
>>>
>>>
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