[nagdu] the workplace and new dogs

Wesley. via nagdu nagdu at nfbnet.org
Sun May 11 20:29:01 UTC 2014 

I'm not sure what you're sorry about but helping me calm down from my anxiety and panic attacks is considered performing a service under the ADA that has been enforced in court many times in the past. 


Wesley. 

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From: "Julie J. via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
Date:05/10/2014  6:23 AM  (GMT-07:00) 
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
Subject: Re: [nagdu] the workplace and new dogs 

Sorry, but only if the dog performs a task is it considered a service dog 
under the ADA.  The FHA allows dogs if they will allow the owner equal 
enjoyment of the dwelling.  It is the training that makes the service dog.

Julie


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From: Wesley. via nagdu
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Under the ADA and Fair Housing Act dogs which help people calm down from 
disabling anxiety attacks or panic attacks (or in Spike's and my case both) 
are legally considered service dogs.


Wesley.

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From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
Date:05/09/2014  5:50 PM  (GMT-07:00)
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] the workplace and new dogs

In order for a dog to be considered a service dog under the ADA, the
following must be met:

1. the person has to have a disability.  this means some sort of impairment
that interferes with tasks of daily living.

2. The dog has to be individually trained to do tasks or perform work that
mitigate the person's disability.

So, yes, service dogs for PTSD can be legitimate service dogs if the
handler's PTSD is severe enough to be considered to be a disability and the
dog does something to assist the handler.  I've read stories of dogs who go
first into rooms to check for intruders or to turn on light switches.  The
person then feels at ease entering a new place, thus mitigating the
disability.  that's just one example, but you get the idea.

HTH
Julie


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From: Alyssa
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 6:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] the workplace and new dogs

Hi everyone posting on this topic. I thought I now saw somewhere that PTSD
dogs are now covered under the ADA. Perhaps I'm wrong though.
Alyssa

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> On May 9, 2014, at 6:25 PM, "Darla Rogers" <djrogers0628 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Wesley,
>
>    PTSD dogs aren't covered under the ADA yet, but they are, so far as I
> know, covered under the Fair Housing Act in HUD and perhaps other
> subsidized housing.
> Darla & Happy Huck
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wesley.
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 2:28 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] the workplace and new dogs
>
> The rights granted by the ADA are not to be taken for granted. I'm going
> through hassles right now because my disability is not as visible as my
> wife's blindness. The apartment complex that we just moved into didn't
> voice a problem with my wife's two dogs even though only one of them is a
> working guide dog. The other is a PTSD dog like mine.
>
> Because she has a visible disability they didn't question her but because
> my only disability is my PTSD they consider my dog to be a pet instead of
> a service dog.
>
> We should take such occurrences as a reminder that the rights guaranteed
> by the ADA must be actively defended. If we allow ourselves to become
> complacent we will wake up one day and find those rights gone.
>
> Wesley.
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Star Gazer <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
> Date:05/09/2014  11:34 AM  (GMT-07:00)
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] the workplace and new dogs
>
> Hi.
> Darla's post about not bringing her dog to the darkroom job intrigues me.
> For those of you who got dogs before ADA, why did you do it? I'm assuming
> you didn't have the rights we do now. What made a dog sustainable for you?
> I have a good friend who has never used a dog. He calls out the lack of
> rights as one reason why he didn't want to get one.
> Very curious to go down memory lane with some of you.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla Rogers
> Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 5:49 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] the workplace and new dogs
>
> Hi Julie,
>
> I love this list, as you do get a variety of perspectives usually given in
> a very polite manner, and I have learned a lot and have changed my own
> views from things I learned here.
> I am glad we have reorganizations like NAGDU who really assist in looking
> out for our right5s and helping us learn how to assert them.
> I am most anxious to hear about sweet Jetta, as I don't see messages from
> Meegan very often, so I haven't heard much about her for awhile, except
> what you post.
> Darla & Happy Huck
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 2:27 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] the workplace and new dogs
>
> ROFLOL!  Rebecca this is hilarious!
>
> The thing is, I'm not so sure anyone will even notice.  Except Monty is
> gray now and it stands out a lot, so maybe they will.  In the first year
> of taking him to work, I'd get asked fairly often if I had a different
> dog.
> Sometimes it was as simple as I had switched to a different harness.  I
> wouldn't think a different harness would make that much difference, but
> apparently it is what people notice.
>
> Also Monty and Jetta are largish mostly black dogs with docked tails.  It
> will be interesting to see how observant people are. Most people can't
> tell Monty and Belle apart either.  Very weird.
>
> I did mention to one of the secretaries last summer that I had gotten a
> puppy and would be sending her off to be trained.  However that secretary
> has since moved on to new employment.  I have no idea if she mentioned it
> to other people, or if others overheard.  I haven't kept it a secret, but
> it's not something that comes up either.
>
> I was teetering between mentioning it casually in advance or just showing
> up with Jetta.  After reading the responses, I think I'm going to just
> show up with Jetta and explain as I go.  Those of you who mentioned that
> it doesn't make a difference to my job what dog I have with me are
> absolutely correct.
> I hadn't thought of it in that way before though.   Either will snooze
> under
>
> the desk and it shouldn't make anyone any never mind about which dog I
> choose to bring on any given day.
>
> In the past when I've talked about retirement for Monty, the typical
> response is serious concern for what will happen to Monty.  I'm not sure
> if they think I'm going to dump him off in the country or what?  when I
> explain that he'll stay home, take long naps on the couch and work
> sometimes when he's up to it, the person seems very relieved. So maybe the
> switching back and forth won't cause as much confusion as I thought it
> might.
>
> Thanks for all the responses!  It helped me to  feel more confident about
> my choices.
>
> Julie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Star Gazer
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 11:41 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] the workplace and new dogs
>
> I'd have fun with it, bring one dog, then bring the other and when people
> ask "Is that a new dog?" I'd get a blank look and say "no".
>
> Or I'd say "Monty wasn't happy with how he looked, so this is the result"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vivianna
> Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2014 6:38 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] the workplace and new dogs
>
> personally, i would just show up with a dog.  but, that's just me.  it's
> none of anybody's concern how my dog is being trained, by whom, or
> whatever.
> but, that's just me.
> legally, it's a guide dog so, i can have it there with me.
>
> Vivianna
>
>> On May 6, 2014, at 5:17 PM, "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> A question for all of you lovely people!
>>
>> I think I know how I'm going to handle the situation, but I'm
>> interested
> to know how others would or have handled similar situations.
>>
>> The current plan is that I will be getting Jetta mid August.  Meghan
>> will
> be here for a few days, incorporating a weekend, to work with Jetta and I.
> My work schedule is flexible, so I could work in my office the morning and
> with Jetta in the afternoon or vice versa.  I could also work more hours
> earlier in the week and spend the necessary weekdays with Meghan and
> Jetta.
> All that to say, I'm not planning on taking any time off of work.
>>
>> I currently take Monty to work with me and have for several years.  It
>> has
> never been an issue.  However, when I requested/informed my supervisor
> that I would be bringing my guide dog to work, it was a different person
> than my
> current supervisor.    My supervisor is a lawyer, if that makes a
> difference
> in regard to legal knowledge.
>>
>> Anyhow, I am planning on taking Jetta to work with me and probably
>> fairly
> soon, of course depending on how well she adjust to the new situation.  It
> will be a big change for her.  she might need a bit to settle
>
> in, but I think she'll be fine, if my visit with her is any indication of
> how quickly she adapts.
>>
>> How would you guys handle the situation in regard to workplace
> accommodations?  since I have already had a guide dog at work for some
> time, would you just show up with the new dog and go on about your
> business?
> Would you inform your supervisor that you will be bringing a different
> dog?
> Would you re-request a guide dog as a reasonable accommodation?
>>
>> Also do you think it would cause confusion or any problems if I
>> switched
> between dogs?  For example working Jetta Monday and Tuesday, Monty on
> Wednesday and then back to Jetta on Thursday and Friday?  I'm talking
> about one dog at a time on alternate days, not two dogs at work.
>>
>> Curiously,
>> Julie
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