[nagdu] They want my guide dog to be in a stair well

Sat May 17 02:23:10 UTC 2014

Dear Aleeha,

	At least, with the mesh citrate, they can't out their hands in
unless they open the crate, but I would categorically refuse to put my dog
where I can't use him, when I need him, or evacuate both of us.
	I realize in a smaller place this is difficult to accomplish; and my
analogy isn't good here, but when I worked for large companies, they talked
about all this buddy B.S, and how they would make sure I got out.
	Well, such an occurrence happened; we were told not to explain but
to say we were being evacuated and hang up, but my partner didn't, so, I
didn't have a dog right then, but I took my cane and walked through the
other pods to the corridor surrounding the call floor where there were many,
like me, and people I knew, also leaving; she had to catch up with me.
Darla & Handsome Huck

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha Dudley via
nagdu
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 8:46 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] They want my guide dog to be in a stair well

OK, I guess it's my evening for jumping in late on threads and I think this
will put me up to my five post limit.
I am, quite frankly, outraged at the fact that some corporate standards are
trying to get in the way of a new dog handler and her dog. I, for one,
believe that this should be one of the top things that you address with the
person who does your interview. They cannot require you to put your dog in a
fire exit stairwell. They must be able to accommodate the dog and put it
where you can easily get to it at all times, whether or not it looks bad to
see a crate sitting there. I myself have a cloth and mesh folding crate that
I use for my work at a local stable. My crate sits in the office, where I
can get to it in an emergency. Everyone sees my dog, but knows not to touch
him. He, and any guide dog, should never bite anyone who even approaches
him. A plastic sign over the front of the crate, or positioned at eye level
by the crate, informing the public about your service dog, might not be a
bad idea and could be a deterrent. I'm not saying that some ignorant person
won't stick their hand where it doesn't belong, but that should lessen the
chance.
I hope this helps and please keep us updated.
Aleeha and Dallas

On 5/15/14, via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> My boss has not said what he is afraid of, but I would think that he 
> does want to make sure that the people ywho come to the club to work 
> out are not going to get themselves bit. Yes I know that guide dogs 
> are very well trained, and I do think that my boss would like the dog, 
> he is a dog person himself. I think the big reason is that Lifetime 
> has corporate standards, and they want the club to have a certain look 
> to it. Having a crate in plain sight on the public would not quite be in
keeping with their look.
> To me this is an opportunity to show that they are truly a company 
> that believes in equal opportunity for people with disabilities.
> I have thought about looking into transferring to a different club, 
> but I like this club, it is small and I know the people, and the bus 
> service is good, and my hours are party good to.
>
>
> I would never lie to my school, and if they ask me about my work I 
> would tell them. I was just trying to decide if I should just bring it 
> up without being asked. Let's agress the 450lb gorilla in the corner.
> Barb
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Name, Full" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: "Name, Full" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 7:44:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] They want my guide dog to be in a stair well
>
> Wesley, just because things are a certain way for you does not that 
> they are
>
> that way for everyone. Did you get to the message about the conditions 
> in the laundry room before you replied? If not, you might want to 
> consider reading the entire thread before replying.
> I have a friend who works at the Lighthouse in Seattle. I don't 
> remember what she does, but, whatever it is, it is not safe for her 
> guide dog to be with her. They have a kennel area for guide dogs. Of 
> course, this is a little different because the employer is more 
> prepared for the situation, but the point still remains that our dogs 
> cannot always be with us we work if the environment is dangerous for a
dog.
> Barb, you need to tell the school what is going on. Don't lie. And, 
> yes, lying includes withholding information. What's going to happen 
> when the problem escalates after you get the dog, and, when it is 
> really bad, either
>
> the school somehow finds out or you finally decide to get them 
> involved? You
>
> should not be afraid to work with the school. Your boss should listen 
> to you, but, sadly, sometimes, people won't listen unless they think 
> that the person telling has knowledge and authority. Maybe you could 
> talk to the school and work out what you are going to tell your boss. 
> Then, you could take someone from the school with you when you talk to 
> your boss. You could
>
> do the talking, but, if your boss tries to say that you don't know 
> what you
>
> are talking about or something like that, the person from the school 
> could back you up. Also, is your boss more afraid for the people or 
> for the dog? I
>
> highly doubt that a guide dog would growl or bark at someone or try to
bite.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wesley. via 
> nagdu
>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 1:06 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] They want my guide dog to be in a stair well
>
> Okay, I have a couple of questions. First, what makes them think that 
> they have the right to expect a service dog to be crated at all? 
> Second, what makes them think that they have the right to separate you 
> from your service
>
> dog?
>
> I'm an IT professional and my dog is trained to stay quietly under the 
> desk
>
> where I am working. When I move around the office my dog goes with me. 
> I wasn't aware that there was any law allowing an employer to require 
> any other arrangements.
>
>
> Wesley.
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Darla Rogers via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Date:05/14/2014 3:21 AM (GMT-07:00)
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] They want my guide dog to be in a stair well
>
> Dear Barb,
>
> could you please refresh my memory as to exactly where you work? I 
> doubt my
>
> answers/advice would be better, but I would rather have the whole picture.
> With Empathy,
> Darla
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of via nagdu
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 12:30 AM
> To: Name, Full
> Subject: [nagdu] They want my guide dog to be in a stair well
>
> Hi,
> I will be having my interview for my guide dog school in a couple of
weeks.
>
> I have a new boss, and when he found out that I was looking into 
> getting a service dog, he said I could put him in the back stair way. 
> that is a fire exit and the fire department would give them a big fine 
> if they came in and
>
> found a dog crated in the back. The best place is right outside the 
> door to
>
> the laundry room where I do much of my work, I would pass the dog many 
> times
>
> in the day, plus I can keep track of what is going on. I know the big 
> problem with that spot is that it is in clear view of the public, in 
> fact if
>
> someone wanted to they could go up to the crate. I get it, the safety 
> thing
>
> and all, and that even if I put a nice cover over the crate, it will 
> not be
>
> in keeping with how they run things. I do believe that fore the most 
> part everyone would leave the dog along, but I guess all's you need is 
> one dummy
>
> and everything is turned upside down.
> I feel I should talk to the gal when she comes to do the interview, 
> and see
>
> what she has to say, but I could blow all my chances of getting a dog 
> because of it.
> I just don't know how to do this.
>
> Barb
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