[nagdu] What People Think That Guide Dogs Can Do was RE: guidedog school problem

Thu May 22 03:24:21 UTC 2014

Or, as was sometimes the case with Lexia, she probably thinks that she knows
where she is going but does not really. 

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry D. Keeler
via nagdu
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 7:44 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] What People Think That Guide Dogs Can Do was RE:
guidedog school problem

Daryl, I have Holly finding the sheltered bus stops as well as those push
button poles on the street corners. Folks think I couldn't catch the bus
without her. They forget I catch the bus some times without her with just my
cane as well. Folks also think dogs are little gpses and no where we want to
go. They think Holly isn't working right if we don't end up at the exact
building! I have to continually remind them that Holly only knows I don't
want to bump into stuff! She doesn't always know where I want to go!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daryl Marie via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] What People Think That Guide Dogs Can Do was RE: guide
dog school problem

> Last winter I was leaving work and crossed the street at the crosswalk 
> with no cars coming.  Next day a coworker said "I saw you and Jenny on 
> your way home last night... you know you crossed on a red light, right?"
> I laughed, and was quite embarrassed... I told him that we crossed on 
> that light because I told Jenny to go, there was no trafic, and 
> neither of us could see the red light.  So she did what I told her, I 
> goofed because I didn't know... Oops!
> As for the bus stop number... I don't think anyone thought she could 
> read it, but they were quite amused by the continual "Sit," "Stay," 
> "That's not our bus, sit," "Stay," "that's not our bus, sit.." debacle
that ensued....
> oh, but the fiesta that was thrown when she sat and patiently LOOKED 
> at the bus!
> Perhaps this ie bcause when we catch the bus going to and from work, 
> or going almost anywhere else, the first bus that arrives is the only 
> bus that will, and therefore the bus that we take, so she assumes that 
> the first or second or third bus is ours! LOL
>
> Anyone else's dog follow traffic patterns? Jenn does, which is 
> wonderful and a little creepy.
>
> Daryl and Jenny the traffic-pattern-followerHahaha!  True enough!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nicole Torcolini via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tue, 20 May 2014 20:55:05 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: [nagdu] What People Think That Guide Dogs Can Do was RE: 
> guide dog school problem
>
> That's not the only one I've heard. Sometimes, when I give a 
> presentation on guide dogs, like I did for disability  month at work, 
> I include a true/false interactive part. One of the statements that I 
> say is, "Guide dogs can read traffic lights." I don't remember exactly 
> what people said, but I think that most of them said false because 
> they had talked to me about other guide dog things before and knew 
> Lexia.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla J. 
> Rogers via nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 2:27 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog school problem
>
> Dear Darrel and others,
>
> What? Do people--and this is rhetorical--actually think our dogs can 
> read the bus numbers?
> People are quite interesting, at time, and downright frustrating at 
> others.
> Darla & Hardworking Huck who had a perfect eye exam
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daryl Marie 
> via nagdu
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 10:19 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog school problem
>
> From what I understand of Rebecca's previous posts, the grace period 
> is the length of time it's "acceptable" to make mistakes and figure 
> things out as you go along.  With newborns, it is normal that when 
> your baby cries, pukes, gets cranky, whatever, sometimes there's NO 
> reason at all, or you're "allowed" to figure it out (is he teething? 
> needing a nap? Diaper-change?
> Hungry?)  Perhaps the reason for the "grace" period is because every 
> single other people who's cared for a newborn can relate to it, and as 
> the child grows older they grow up and stop having certain challenges, 
> but then you move on to others, which are understandable by society, 
> etc.
>
> With a dog, if they misbehave, make errors in judgment, etc., the 
> perception I have been given is is that she's not trained.  We stand 
> at a bus stop, she automatically stands and goes to the bus (even if 
> it's not ours).  I tell her to sit, she gets frustrated, and I have to 
> repeat myself once.  A passerby asks "oh, you're still training her?"
> Minor example, but there ya go.
>
> Daryl
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Ray via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
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> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Fri, 16 May 2014 09:06:49 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog school problem
>
> Rebecca, I agree with you about the analogy of dogs to children, but I 
> don't understand what you said about the difference in the grace 
> period is stunning.
>
> CL
>
> On May 16, 2014, at 9:38 AM, Star Gazer via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Because I've had both and the differences in the grace period you get 
>> from the outside world is stunning.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole 
>> Torcolini via nagdu
>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 7:35 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog school problem
>>
>> Rebecca,
>>
>> Why do you always compare guide dogs to children?
>>
>> Nicole
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 15, 2014, at 12:37 PM, Star Gazer via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> Add to this that people will expect your dog to be a fully functional 
>> guide, and you to be a fully functional handler.
>> You don't have that dynamic in play when you get a puppy.
>> I've said it before, and I'll say it now, having a new baby is easier 
>> then getting your first guide dog.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of via nagdu
>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 11:03 AM
>> To: Name, Full
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog school problem
>>
>> Well said, and very good point.
>> To me getting a new guide is like getting a new puppy, you have to 
>> take time to get to know each other, how each other works and there 
>> needs. You need to bond, and the dog needs to know that you are one 
>> he is to work with, and not every other person who comes by. the big 
>> thing I believe is that the dog needs to know that you are the boss, 
>> and not to pay attention to everyone else.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "Name, Full" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "Name, Full" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 7:35:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog school problem
>>
>> John,
>>
>> A couple of things. First, some of the things that you are telling us 
>> are not making sense and are contradicting each other. What exactly 
>> has happened, in order, with applications and acceptance?
>> Second, if there is a possibility that you might go to get a dog in 
>> August, you really need to stop and think this over more. Yes, things 
>> that cannot be avoided happen, and colleges make exceptions, but I 
>> feel that this is different. You cannot miss four weeks of a class 
>> and still pass it, at least not with a half way decent grade, unless 
>> it's a class where there is only one class a week with a really light 
>> work load. Even if you can retake the class, do you really want to have
to?
>> Retaking a class often means paying
>>
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