[nagdu] What People Think That Guide Dogs Can Do wasRE:guide dog school problem

sheila via nagdu nagdu at nfbnet.org
Sun May 25 11:35:29 UTC 2014


you also don't want to wait for ever when it is freezing cold or snowing 
outside in hopes that enough traffic will be there to help in the 
decision making. In an ideal world there is always enough traffic and 
motorists always watch for pedestrians and never run lights. lol.
On 5/25/2014 4:51 AM, Julie J. via nagdu wrote:
> I live in a small town.  There's always traffic downtown at peak 
> times.  But if I were to walk down there right now, I'd be waiting for 
> a really, really, really long time on enough traffic to be able to 
> gauge properly when the light had changed.   That would be ideal, but 
> I'm not waiting for 30 minutes or more to cross a street.
>
> I don't know if we have them here, but there are also traffic lights 
> that are affected by traffic flow.  If there is very little or no 
> traffic then the light stays green on the more main street. Those are 
> pretty common, especially during the overnight hours here.  And yes, 
> sometimes I walk late in the evening.  It's a perk of living in a 
> small town, very, very low crime...at least the type that be a problem 
> in that situation.
>
> Julie
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole Torcolini via nagdu
> Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 10:16 PM
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] What People Think That Guide Dogs Can Do 
> wasRE:guide dog school problem
>
> One of the rules that my orientation and mobility instructors taught 
> me was
> to never cross a lighted intersection on an all quiet because it is
> impossible to tell what the light is, and drivers tend to pay more 
> attention
> to the traffic lights than whether or not there is a pedestrian in the 
> cross
> walk.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daryl Marie 
> via
> nagdu
> Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:41 PM
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> RE:guide
> dog school problem
>
> It's an intersection with a light that doesn't have a pole on that 
> side of
> the street.  It's also a pedestrian crosswalk.  Usually there's enough
> traffic flow to follow.  Not all of our intersections have buttons to 
> push
> for the light, and not all have audible signals to assist in 
> situations like
> that one with no traffic.
>
> Daryl
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nicole Torcolini via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
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> Sent: Sat, 24 May 2014 13:11:16 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] What People Think That Guide Dogs Can Do was RE: 
> guide
> dog school problem
>
> So you did not know that it was a lighted intersection?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daryl Marie 
> via
> nagdu
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 4:50 AM
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] What People Think That Guide Dogs Can Do was RE: 
> guide
> dog school problem
>
> Last winter I was leaving work and crossed the street at the crosswalk 
> with
> no cars coming.  Next day a coworker said "I saw you and Jenny on your 
> way
> home last night... you know you crossed on a red light, right?"  I 
> laughed,
> and was quite embarrassed... I told him that we crossed on that light
> because I told Jenny to go, there was no trafic, and neither of us 
> could see
> the red light.  So she did what I told her, I goofed because I didn't
> know... Oops!
> As for the bus stop number... I don't think anyone thought she could read
> it, but they were quite amused by the continual "Sit," "Stay," "That's 
> not
> our bus, sit," "Stay," "that's not our bus, sit.." debacle that 
> ensued....
> oh, but the fiesta that was thrown when she sat and patiently LOOKED 
> at the
> bus!
> Perhaps this ie bcause when we catch the bus going to and from work, or
> going almost anywhere else, the first bus that arrives is the only bus 
> that
> will, and therefore the bus that we take, so she assumes that the 
> first or
> second or third bus is ours! LOL
>
> Anyone else's dog follow traffic patterns? Jenn does, which is 
> wonderful and
> a little creepy.
>
> Daryl and Jenny the traffic-pattern-followerHahaha!  True enough!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nicole Torcolini via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tue, 20 May 2014 20:55:05 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: [nagdu] What People Think That Guide Dogs Can Do was RE: 
> guide dog
> school problem
>
> That's not the only one I've heard. Sometimes, when I give a 
> presentation on
> guide dogs, like I did for disability  month at work, I include a 
> true/false
> interactive part. One of the statements that I say is, "Guide dogs can 
> read
> traffic lights." I don't remember exactly what people said, but I 
> think that
> most of them said false because they had talked to me about other 
> guide dog
> things before and knew Lexia.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla J. 
> Rogers
> via nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 2:27 PM
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog school problem
>
> Dear Darrel and others,
>
> What? Do people--and this is rhetorical--actually think our dogs can
> read the bus numbers?
> People are quite interesting, at time, and downright frustrating at
> others.
> Darla & Hardworking Huck who had a perfect eye exam
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daryl Marie 
> via
> nagdu
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 10:19 AM
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog school problem
>
>> From what I understand of Rebecca's previous posts, the grace period 
>> is the
> length of time it's "acceptable" to make mistakes and figure things 
> out as
> you go along.  With newborns, it is normal that when your baby cries, 
> pukes,
> gets cranky, whatever, sometimes there's NO reason at all, or you're
> "allowed" to figure it out (is he teething? needing a nap? Diaper-change?
> Hungry?)  Perhaps the reason for the "grace" period is because every 
> single
> other people who's cared for a newborn can relate to it, and as the child
> grows older they grow up and stop having certain challenges, but then you
> move on to others, which are understandable by society, etc.
>
> With a dog, if they misbehave, make errors in judgment, etc., the 
> perception
> I have been given is is that she's not trained.  We stand at a bus 
> stop, she
> automatically stands and goes to the bus (even if it's not ours). I tell
> her to sit, she gets frustrated, and I have to repeat myself once.  A
> passerby asks "oh, you're still training her?"
> Minor example, but there ya go.
>
> Daryl
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Ray via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
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> Sent: Fri, 16 May 2014 09:06:49 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog school problem
>
> Rebecca, I agree with you about the analogy of dogs to children, but I 
> don't
> understand what you said about the difference in the grace period is
> stunning.
>
> CL
>
> On May 16, 2014, at 9:38 AM, Star Gazer via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
>> Because I've had both and the differences in the grace period you get
>> from the outside world is stunning.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole
>> Torcolini via nagdu
>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 7:35 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog school problem
>>
>> Rebecca,
>>
>> Why do you always compare guide dogs to children?
>>
>> Nicole
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 15, 2014, at 12:37 PM, Star Gazer via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> Add to this that people will expect your dog to be a fully functional
>> guide, and you to be a fully functional handler.
>> You don't have that dynamic in play when you get a puppy.
>> I've said it before, and I'll say it now, having a new baby is easier
>> then getting your first guide dog.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of via nagdu
>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 11:03 AM
>> To: Name, Full
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog school problem
>>
>> Well said, and very good point.
>> To me getting a new guide is like getting a new puppy, you have to
>> take time to get to know each other, how each other works and there
>> needs. You need to bond, and the dog needs to know that you are one he
>> is to work with, and not every other person who comes by. the big
>> thing I believe is that the dog needs to know that you are the boss,
>> and not to pay attention to everyone else.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "Name, Full" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "Name, Full" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 7:35:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog school problem
>>
>> John,
>>
>> A couple of things. First, some of the things that you are telling us
>> are not making sense and are contradicting each other. What exactly
>> has happened, in order, with applications and acceptance?
>> Second, if there is a possibility that you might go to get a dog in
>> August, you really need to stop and think this over more. Yes, things
>> that cannot be avoided happen, and colleges make exceptions, but I
>> feel that this is different. You cannot miss four weeks of a class and
>> still pass it, at least not with a half way decent grade, unless it's
>> a class where there is only one class a week with a really light work
>> load. Even if you can retake the class, do you really want to have to?
>> Retaking a class often means paying
>>
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