[nagdu] wearing a harness.

[The Pawpower Pack]

Viviana, 
This is a bit of an over exaduration.  Firstly, a dog can leash guide but I'm not seeing people writing about taking their dogs not in gear.  
I use leash guiding for short distances, like when I'm staying in a hotel and I take my dog out to relieve.  I may use leash guiding also to go visit a friend in their room at that same hotel.  I might use it if I live in a dorm or an apartment to get the mail.  These are mainly the times people take their dogs on a lead. 
Also this thread had nothing to do with the use of treats. I am aware that this is a practice of which you do not approve, but you are not the judge here and I would once again, ask you to be respectful of others training choices.  Just because you have had a bad experience with a team who used clicker training or used treats does not mean you have the right to mock people who use this method.  People will disagree, I personally would not use a training collar on my dog. This is my choice, but I respect that other people disagree and it is their right to do so, and I have no right to mock that whole school of training dogs in its entirity just because I may have _have a bad experience were people who overcorrect or are not an effective team with their dog. 


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> On Nov 10, 2014, at 7:53 AM, Cindy Ray via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Viviana, I agree with you that the dogs should wear their harnesses when
> they are guiding in public places. I think your vision there is a little on
> the dramatic side. Not sure that most of these people are handing out treats
> to their pets while leash guiding. But I do think that even if we are
> allowed to take our guide without harness, it is better clarification for
> the rest of the public and that it is the more respectful thing to do with
> respect to the law. We don't have to show IDs, we don't have to have the dog
> in harness, and we don't have to say much about what the dog does. I do
> think though that if we were to get into a habit of taking the dog around
> just in leash, since so many people are bent on having their pets with them,
> and since sometimes it may be a little hard anyway to determine who is a pet
> and who is a service dog, the time will come when we will have to have the
> dogs in their harness/gear and will have to show id. Of course the time may
> come when you can just take your pet anywhere, too, so the opposite could
> happen.
> 
> Cindy
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vivianna via
> nagdu
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 7:47 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: [nagdu] wearing a harness.
> 
> OK, it may not be the law that a guide dog has to wear a harness however, i
> respectfully strongly disagree that folks should just take their dogs around
> on a leash in public.  
> i am a college graduate myself and spent 4 years on a university campus
> working my dog, in harness.  it's a huge place with, traffic, busses,
> stairs, ramps, bicycles, paths going off in all directions, etc.  i often
> had to walk a mile between classes and, sometimes had to take a bus to the
> next class.
> all of us on here know that, the public recognizes a guide dog by the
> harness.
> we are encountering more and more folks taking their pets around and saying
> that they are service dogs.
> allowing your dog to act like a pet during guide work is, IMO, not helping
> those of us who use our dogs as guides.  
> guiding on a leash, while possible, is not the recommended way to work a
> guide dog.  just ask any school.
> you can most definitely not feel the movements of the dog nearly as well as
> in a harness.
> man, all i can envision is a bunch of folks deciding that harnessing up is
> not necessary.  next thing, i will be in a store or restaurant, or, even at
> a national convention with a bunch of dogs, guides or not, on leashes, their
> owners feeding them treats and never giving them a correction for anything.
> yuck!
> 
> i am proud to be a woman with a harnessed up guide at my side; Vivianna
> 
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