[nagdu] On Zoos.

Wed Nov 12 23:34:43 UTC 2014

Actually, preference is one thing; by and large it has been shown time after
time that dogs are not an issue in the zoos. The zookeepers are working on
these issues so that people can bring their dogs to the zoos safely. Of
course there may be times when the bringing of a dog is not a good plan.
Gary, where you were was not a zoo in the first place. Anyway though, my
point here is if you don't prefer to take your dog to a zoo, that's fine. No
one is saying you have to do it. If I want to take my dog to the zoo and I
feel it is safe to do that, especially after this program has been going on,
then I will. Preference is different from being told that under no
circumstances can your dog go to the zoo. Preference is difference from
someone trying to get a law passed in a state that exempts the zoos from the
White Cane laws and the allowance of dogs, and perhaps the ADA, too.

Cindy

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Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 5:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] On Zoos.

Hi:

Something came up Monday when I was shooting a story for Accessible Media up
on Grouse Mountain. I never really thought about it much but they hav  two
grizzly bears up there in a large enclosure which is just surrounded by a
fence. Me and my crew walked up to get a shot with the grizzly bear hut in
the back ground. The bears were inside sleeping. Bogart didn't seem bothered
more than anywhere else up on the mountain. He was very excited and sniffing
everywhere when opportunities arose as soon as we got to the top of the tram
ride. As we got our camera set up the fellow who manages the bear habitat
came over and told us to take the dog away. Our PR rep said he's a guide dog
so he can go anywhere. The fellow pointed out that the bears weren't aware
of that distinction and have charged the fence in the past. So my producer
took Bogart 500 yards away while we shot our bit there.

I'm always advocating for taking my guide dog everywhere but had not thought
of this issue. Remember the tiger who couldn't get out of his enclosure
until he did and tracked down and killed it's taunters. (I kind of felt good
for the tiger since, although it was killed, it's last action of it's
captive life was to do what nature intended it to do which was hunt and
kill. Perhaps a little darwinism going on there with it's taunters)

I probably would never take Bogart to the zoo anyway but now certainly would
give some thought to what areas I might take him in. But like Laryy, why
spend a day wrestling with your dog.

Gary

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From: Larry D Keeler via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
To: Valerie Gibson <valandkayla at gmail.com>, NAGDU Mailing List, the National
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Sent: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 13:24:23 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: [nagdu] On Zoos.

I think Holly could do it. However, I'm sure we'd have a hard time at those
pens where the animals can come up. Not so much the big ones but the small
ones. For esxample, I'm thinking of a little zoo in Lansing where they have
a guinea pig colony behind a wire fence and several peacocks walking around
the zoo free. There is also a little petting zoo with goats, sheep and other
things in there. I'm also thinking about folks dropping animal food and
human food. Holly could do it I think but, I sort of think unfair to her to
set her up for a lot of corrections!
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From: "Valerie Gibson via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] On Zoos.

> You know I never thought of zoos when it came to training guide dogs.
>
>
> Now I kind of want to go to one with Zion and work with him.  I think 
> the most he'd do though is bark at the animals.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't psychologically flood zion with zoo; 
> we'd go slow, but I would be very curious to see if he could eventualy 
> handle it as I've never thought about it before.
>
> Given that I'll be working with kids in the future, I'm sure zoos will 
> crop up somewhere. lol
>
>> On Nov 12, 2014, at 1:05 PM, Larry D Keeler via nagdu 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Well, if given a choice, I'd leave Holly at home. Too many distractions! 
>> Dropped food, lots of well meaning folks and of course other animals. 
>> Actually, everything at the zoo is intended not to get out and bother 
>> us humans. This also makes it safe dor dogs. Only thing that I'd be a 
>> little worried about is folks taking there dogs into the petting zoo. 
>> If the dogs are under control, it could be a great deal of fun. And, 
>> of course, you would need to control the dog. It bugs me for example 
>> when I see folks bring there dogs into the pet stores and they see 
>> the little rabbits or hamsters and the dogs go nuts! Even guide dogs! 
>> And, folks just seem to let them! I take Holly quite oftedn to pet 
>> stores on purpose so that we can practice control and proper behavior.
>> Larry D Keeler lkeeler at comcast.net Intelligence is always claimed but 
>> rarely proven!
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