[nagdu] Tiedowns versus crates

Fri Nov 14 12:50:24 UTC 2014

Hello everyone,
This is Chenelle I have a guy dog for the first time name Bon out from guide dogs for the blind and I use a tiedown mostly because I don't have enough room in my room for crate. He's very well behaved he likes to smell things a lot but that's about it he really doesn't get into anything and Ihave to correct him as much. He's a yellow lab and about to be two on Christmas

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>   1. Re: crate vs tie-down (Debby Phillips)
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>   4. Re: crate vs tie-down (Nicole Torcolini)
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> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 19:09:57 -0800
> From: Debby Phillips <semisweetdebby at gmail.com>
> To: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>, "NAGDU Mailing List,    the
>    National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>,
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> Hi TRACY, I think for me it was just lack of memory.  Lol.  But 
> also when I brought Lamar home, we were living in a 30 foot 
> trailer.  Not very much room for him to get into stuff there.  
> And we didn't have room for much stuff to be laying around.  By 
> the time we went back to our larger house, he'd been with me 6 
> months, so it wasn't so hard for him to not get into stuff there.  
> Give Krokus a hug for me.  And maybe in a few days Ben and Krokus 
> will want to play together.    Peace,    Debby and Neena
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> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 19:10:03 -0800
> From: Debby Phillips <semisweetdebby at gmail.com>
> To: The Pawpower Pack <pawpower4me at gmail.com>, nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot grads ... training experience jornals?
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> Ed and Toni Eames did a book on guide dog schools, but it's kind 
> of outdated.  It would help some, maybe.  I can't remember the 
> title of the book, either though.  Sigh.    Blessings,    Debby 
> and Neena
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> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 23:07:15 -0500
> From: "Larry D Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
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> There is one about Pilot as well. I think its called, "Maggie and Me" but 
> i'm not sure. Its about a woman who comes to Pilot from Wisconsin after her 
> previous guide dies. She gets trained with another dog at Pilot. And, even 
> though the book was written in the 80's, some of the instructors mentioned 
> in the book are still there!
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>> Ed and Toni Eames did a book on guide dog schools, but it's kind of 
>> outdated.  It would help some, maybe.  I can't remember the title of the 
>> book, either though.  Sigh.    Blessings,    Debby and Neena
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> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 20:53:53 -0800
> From: "Nicole Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "'Cindy Ray'" <cindyray at gmail.com>, "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] crate vs tie-down
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> Like many other things, such as head collars, both crates and tie downs do
> not teach the dog not to do certain things, but, sometimes, for the sake of
> safety and sanity of all involved, they are necessary. Most dogs come to a
> point where they no longer need a crate or tie down nearly as much. They
> grow out of their bad habits. Also, whenever a dog enters a new environment
> with new people and new objects, the dog may regress in certain things.
>    I think that crates and tie downs both have their uses as well as
> their pros and cons. I am comfortable with using a tie down if there are
> people close enough that someone would notice if something went wrong. If I
> had to leave Lexia alone on a tie down, I would prefer that it not be for
> more than an hour.
> Tie downs are convenient in that they can be rolled up and taken anywhere.
> You can move them around the house as needed. Other people can still
> interact with the dog while on tie down. Some dogs have a hard time not
> getting tangled up in tie downs. People and animals interacting with the dog
> while on tie down can also be a bad thing. I am not a fan of leaving a dog
> tied up by the collar for any extended length of time, regardless of what
> type of collar is used. If I ever had to leave Lexia on tie down for an
> extended length of time, I would probably use some kind of harness. The
> object to which the tie down is secured has to be very heavy and firm as
> dogs are very strong and, especially if wearing a harness, could probably
> easily move a couch or table a foot or more.
> Depending on the type of crate, crates can be cumbersome in that they take
> up space and cannot be moved, especially for larger dogs. However, as
> already mentioned, there are several options for collapsible crates. If used
> correctly, a crate can be a good thing, especially if there are other people
> and animals in the house from which a dog may wish to get away. The crate is
> the dog's space. Lexia has a cloth folding crate. I don't usually have it
> set up. When I do have it set up, if I leave it open, she will go lay in it,
> even if there is another place for her outside of the crate.
> 
> Nicole
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> To: 'Tracy Carcione'; 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide
> Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] crate vs tie-down
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> I think I would prefer to use a combination. I have always done the leash
> thing for the time requested with only a few days' different sometimes, and
> I think this is good, but a crate gets them clear out of the line of
> activity so to speak and make it easier.
> Cindy
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> Subject: [nagdu] crate vs tie-down
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> I am well aware that discipline is my problem.  It just seems to me that my
> dogs who grew up with tie-downs had a better understanding of how they
> should behave when not confined than crate-trained Krokus.  Now, that might
> be luck, or poor memory, or just that they weren't confined a lot so learned
> how to behave themselves.
> Whatever, Krokus is beginning to remember the house manners I'm sure he used
> to know, or getting the idea that I don't want him picking up everything.
> I've ordered a crate, even though I don't really want one.  I can use it
> when I can't supervise him, until he settles.  Then I can fold the stupid
> thing away except for the odd occasion I might need it, like if I have to
> leave him home alone.
> 
> He did not pick up things much at TSE, and was usually free in my room, but
> my room there was much more spartan than my house, which has a few low
> tables or shelves with stuff on them. Shocking, I know.
> Tracy
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