[nagdu] Why i can't feed my dog raw.

Fri Nov 21 22:07:33 UTC 2014

The message was directed at me.
I do not preach about the raw diet, but I certainly rave about it and
sing its praises, and always will. My intent is not to preach about
rawfeeding or natural-rearing, but to educate people that kibble is
not what we were all led to believe it is, and that there is always
another option.
I have not judged anyone for feeding kibble, or for not rawfeeding.
I will not stop mentioning rawfeeding just because the majority feed
kibble. When the subject of dog food, supplementation, medicine, or
health care comes up, I will bring up any aspect of natural-rearing
and holistic care, which may or may not include rawfeeding depending
on the particular subject. Usually it does, because as Hippocrates
said, "Let thy food be thy medicine, and thy medicine be thy food."
When anything goes downhill concerning health, the first place to look
is at the dog's diet. So yes, if someone says their dog has some
medical issue, I will bring up diet because the diet affects what's in
the gut, and the gut possesses 70-80% of the immune system. Therefore,
diet affects the immune system.
I do not push rawfeeding, I promote a whole health approach to caring
for your dog. Diet affects your whole body, so diet is a large aspect
of the whole health approach.
I understand that any number of people may be sick of hearing about
it. I can understand because anytime anyone suggests feeding any brand
of kibble, or giving conventional meds/treatments, I cringe.
But I will not cease in my attempts to educate dog owners about
natural dog care. It is important to me to stop the madness: to stop
people from making the same mistakes I did, to stop people from
believing that the veterinarians' word is law, to stop people from
believing that the guide dog schools have accurate information on dog
health care, to stop people from believing that there is no hope, that
kibble is what they're stuck with, that their dog's health issue just
dropped out of the sky or was just some coincidence. There are no
coincidences when it comes to sickness. It comes from somewhere,
whether veterinarians acknowledge it or not.
I am emotionally motivated by the hardships me and my dog were put
through due to my ignorance, and I want to expose others to the light.
If I can stop ten people from looking back and saying, "Gosh, if only
I'd known," and stop them from beating themselves up, and end their
frustrations with whatever problems they are facing, then I know that
I have accomplished something. I am more aggressive in my approach
than others might be if they chose to take my position. But that is
because there are lives on the line. I want healthy, long-living dogs
for dog owners, and that is being taken away from us by the pet poison
manufacturers and the pet junk food industry. I have taken it upon
myself to join the army against these industries.
The people on list may not see it, but my posts definitely affect
people and their dogs positively. Listers contact me for advice and
guidance, and it fills me with joy that my posts are not falling on
deaf ears.
It is unfortunate that my messages, with the intent to save dog's
lives and end owners' frustration, hassle, and grief, are considered
preaching.

On 11/21/14, The Pawpower Pack via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Marsha,
> I'm confused about this message.  I feed a raw diet. I do not believe I have
> talked about it much, if at all besides mentioning that I have fed it much
> like people mention what kibble they feed.  If people have questions, I can
> answer them if I have the time, but I am confused why it's being suggested
> that I or others have given people some kind of raw diet hard sell.
> You are right and that everyone needs to do what is right for their
> situation.  I personally have neither the time nor interest to be the dog
> food police.
> If for some reason I have come across this way, I am sorry, but honestly
> this is my confused face here...
>
>  Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 21, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Marsha Drenth via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> vivianna and all,
>> Thank you for describing this process. I am curious what is the Orijen,
>> your now feeding your pup?
>> I agree that feeding raw is the best for our pups, just like being a
>> vegetarian is the est for humans. With that said, feeding raw and being a
>> vegetarian are choices and preferences. choices and preferences that we
>> all must make. Once that choice is made, its ours, no one elses. Feeding
>> raw is not right for me, for a few reasons, none of which I will discuss
>> here, as that is not my point to the post.
>> But I think that Vivianna's post does provide a good example of, how and
>> or why a raw diet for our pups might not work. So Vivianna, tried, found
>> out the issues, that is great, that is awesome. Sorry Vivianna, I am using
>> you to make my point.
>> Which my point is this, because some of the list members on this list have
>> chosen and prefer a raw diet for their pups, that is great. But those of
>> us who do not choose to give our pups that diet, do not need the raw diet
>> shoved down our throats. There has been way way too much, judgement in
>> regards to the raw diet preaching.
>> Please do not read my words wrong, those of you who do feed a raw diet,
>> answer questions of list members, be here to provide information, guide
>> someone in how to look up more information. But the preaching must stop.
>> The being judgemental of those who do not feed a raw diet must stop. Be
>> proud of your choices, but please put away your shovels.
>> Thank you,
>>
>> marsha, NAGDU List Moderator
>> Marsha drenth
>> email: marsha.drenth at gmail.com
>> Sent with my IPhone
>> Please note that this email communication has been sent using my iPhone.
>> As such, I may have used dictation and had made attempts to mitigate
>> errors. Please do not be hesitant to ask for clarification as necessary.
>>
>>> On Nov 20, 2014, at 9:24 AM, Vivianna via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I wanted to tell you folks about my attempt to put my dog on a raw food
>>> diet.
>>> i am well aware that a raw food diet is the best for a dog so, in march i
>>> decided to finally give it a try with this dog.  i had just moved into a
>>> house and now have loads of freezer space as well as a back yard.
>>> this dog has had digestive issues since i got her.  she is now 5 and a
>>> half.
>>> she loved it, ate everything i presented her with and seemed to be doing
>>> well until august when i started noticing more large pieces of bone in
>>> her stool.  (a good reason to always pick up after your dog, even if you
>>> have a back yard).
>>> i talked to the folks over at www.rawpaws.org and they suggested i pull
>>> her off of everything but chicken as it's the easiest to digest.  so, i
>>> did that but, nope, still bone, and more bone in the stool.
>>> i talked to my vet and she said to feed her ground.  so, i tried that for
>>> a couple weeks then added bone-in chicken back and, still bones.  i mean,
>>> up to 5 or 6 big pieces in one stool.
>>> i was getting concerne at this point.
>>> i talked to the vet again and she suggested ii get a meat grinder.  now,
>>> this is a fine idea , however, i travel a lot and can not lug a grinder
>>> around with me.
>>> so, i decided to put her back on dog food.  i looked at some dehydrated
>>> foods and, they are either super costly or, i was not thrilled about the
>>> ingredients.
>>> so, i decided to try her on Orijen.
>>> she has been on it now for 3 weeks and, it's like having a puppy back.
>>> her energy level has gone way up.  she is playing with her toys again,
>>> she is extremely super excited about working.  so much so that, i am
>>> still having to hold onto the leash in my right hand when i tell her,
>>> forward.  she just explodes into the harness.
>>> her stools are still not as firm as i would like so, i am continuing to
>>> give her a teaspoon of coconut oil in her evening meal until it firms up.
>>>
>>> just thought i would tell you all my story.
>>>
>>> Vivianna
>>>
>>>
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