[nagdu] How to Take Your Pet Everywhere

Brett Sample samplebrett at icloud.com
Wed Oct 15 16:57:08 UTC 2014


The way I see it, the law does not need to be fixed. There is a remedy for bad behavior of any dog in the law already and what ever the “fix” would be, there will always be someone who finds away to exploit it regardless. I do think CCI has it’s own agenda and it has nothing to do with protecting our rights. Really its a matter of people with bad behavior not the dog. Even the best of dogs can have an off moment, it’s up to the handler to correct it. We have spent a lot of time trying to educate businesses about our right to access, perhaps we should work together with them on their rights as well? 

Brett and Ziva 
On Oct 15, 2014, at 12:02 PM, Tami Jarvis via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Buddy, I ended up skimming and skipping much of the middle. Somehow I wasn't surprised to find at the end that CCI and their petition came into things...
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> Articles like this one seem to be more about the general lack of interest in education or even basic information in our culture than about dogs or animals of any kind. The scammers take advantage of that, then folks suggest the solution is to crack down on the rights of actual disabled people with actual service dogs... The lack of education about what seem to me to be fairly distinct and uncomplicated boundaries is not anything businesses and their employees should do anything about for themselves... Okay, I get grumpy on the subject. /shrug/
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> I do like that article you posted. Very good info! Makes me wonder where I can get such a perfect service dog. /lol/ I'm glad the law allows the handler the opportunity to address mistakes and faux pas, since they do happen. Still, I think it's good that folks know what the expectations for service dogs in public are. I especially think it's good that more people know that a *real* service dog can be ousted for bad behavior if the handler does not get it under control. So when a badly behaved dog is carrying on in public without the handler's doing anything about it, it doesn't matter if it's a service dog or not.
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> People who go around announcing they have a serious mental illness just to take their pets to the store confuse me. They *want* people to believe they are so nuts they can't function without the help of a dog? I don't get it.
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> Tami
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> On 10/14/2014 07:46 PM, Buddy Brannan via nagdu wrote:
>> Aleeha, I tell you what, you’re a better woman than I…well…umm, OK, so I’m not a woman, and by default, you’re a better woman than I. Skip it. I couldn’t get through the article when i saw it yesterday. In fact, I didn’t get very far past the emotional support turtle. As someone on another list rightly said, this “journalist”, by her “undercover investigation” is doing as much harm as potential good (and I question the potential good myself). Yes, education is key here, but this isn’t the way to do it. Especially because so much of what I could suffer through was just wrong. Also as someone else said, what’s journalism come to, even if this isn’t really journalism and the New Yorker isn’t exactly that sort of magazine?
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>> Just to balance things out, this article got things exactly right, and i felt a lot better about it. Unfortunately, because of this, it probably won’t get nearly the play that that other thing will get:
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>> http://www.anythingpawsable.com/things-service-dogs-public/
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>> Posted below is the text, without permission. I think you’ll like reading this much more.
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>> Things Service Dogs in Public Should and Should Not Do
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>> By Kea Grace - November 1, 2013 9:00 AM -
>> When it comes to Service Dogs or Service Dogs in Training with public access, there are definite things Service Dogs in public should and should not do. Learn more about how well-trained Service Dogs should appear and what U.S. Service Dog lawsays about dogs who don’t quite possess the skills necessary to safely work in public.
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>> You’re sitting in a cafe, enjoying a nice cup of coffee with your well-trained, well-mannered canine partner when someone waltzes in with a dog in tow. The dog is lunging at everyone who walks past, jumps up on the counter, gulps down a bagel and then whirls around to start barking at people when they walk in. The manager rushes forward and politely states, “We’re sorry, ma’am, but we’re going to have to ask you to take your dog outside. We don’t allow pets.”
>> Breezily, the woman waves him off and announces, “He’s my Service Dog. He gets to go with me anywhere I go.” The manager casts an appraising eye over the natural disaster of the dog who is now walking around and around his legs, tangling him in its leash, before hesitantly inquiring, “Do you have any papers?” He knows the law doesn’t require ID for Service Dogs, but surely, for THIS dog, she’s required to carry SOMETHING, right?
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>> The woman scoffs at the idea while reaching down to rub her dog’s head. “I don’t need any papers. Federal law doesn’t require me to carry any. He’s a Service Dog; that’s all you need to know.”
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>> The manager mumbles an apology and walks away. From the safety of the counter, he eyeballs the dog and owner as the woman allows him to run up to anyone, jump on their lap and even kiss them or sniff their food. Just before leaving, the dog squats on the floor and urinates. The dog’s handler walks away from the mess and he sends a staff member to quickly clean it up. He considers calling the police, but is afraid of getting in trouble for breaking ADA regulations and federal law. Finally, though, the woman leaves with her unruly dog in tow and he breathes a sigh of relief.
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>> Service Dogs should not molest, jump on, lick or otherwise engage with anyone but their handler.
>> What other options did this poor, frazzled manager possess? Since the woman has produced the magic “Service Dog” words, it may have seemed he has no recourse but to back off and leave this self-professed “Service Dog” team be. Fortunately for him, though, (and the other patrons of the shop!) that’s not the case. While federal Service Dog law is written to protect individuals with disabilities and their complete, unfettered public access with their (well-trained) canine partners, it also has provisions to protect businesses and other members of the public from “Service Dogs” in public who shouldn’t be there. Individuals with a disability have the right to have their Service Dog accompany them anywhere members of the public are allowed to be, but business owners and patrons have rights, too.
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>> U.S. Code of Federal Regulations § 36.202(c)(2):
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>> (2) Exceptions. A public accommodation may ask an individual with a disability to remove a service animal from the premises if:
>> (i) The animal is out of control and the animal’s handler does not take effective action to control it; or
>> (ii) The animal is not housebroken.
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>> (3) If an animal is properly excluded. If a public accommodation properly excludes a service animal under § 36.302(c)(2), it shall give the individual with a disability the opportunity to obtain goods, services, and accommodations without having the service animal on the premises.
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>> As excerpted from U.S. Code of Federal Regulations § 36.202, there are two instances cited in federal law where a business may exclude a Service Dog:
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>> 	• The Service Dog is out of control and the handler isn’t doing anything about it
>> 	• The Service Dog isn’t housebroken and urinates or defecates inappropriately
>> If a Service Dog team is asked to leave due to the dog’s behavior, the business must provide the unaccompanied handler the opportunity to obtain goods or services. Only the dog can be excluded from the premises. If a dog’s behavior infringes on the ability of other patrons to enjoy a safe, routine experience similar to one they would experience without a Service Dog on-site, then a business may be perfectly within their right legally to ask the team to leave. Before making that determination, though, check out the lists below detailing what Service Dogs in public should do and what Service Dogs in public shouldn’t do.
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>> Service Dogs in Public Should:
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>> 	• Focus on their handler at all times unless doing trained task work.
>> 	• Possess a stable, even temperament without anxiety, reactivity or aggression of any kind.
>> 	• Walk nicely on a leash without pulling, straining, lunging, lagging, circling or forging.
>> 	• Remain quietly by their handler’s side when their handler stops without wandering or losing focus.
>> 	• Lay quietly under the table or beside their handler’s chair without getting up or moving around excessively. Changing positions is fine; outright breaking stays to respond or engage with distractions or to wander off is not.
>> 	• Ignore distractions.
>> 	• Be quiet at all times unless performing specific, trained task work. Outside of trained and necessary task work, there should be NO other vocalization, including, but not limited to, whining, grumbling, wooing, barking, growling, whimpering or other noise. Unless working, Service Dogs should be seen by the public and not heard.
>> 	• Appear professional, well-groomed and well-taken care of. Your Service Dog is a representative of both you and the Service Dog community. She should always leave everyone she comes in contact with with excellent impressions.
>> 	• Keep his or her nose to his or her self at all times, even if there are food, products or other interesting things readily accessible. Sniffing people, objects or food is not only rude, it’s a possible health hazard. Exceptions to this rule include Allergen Alert Dogs or other Service Dogswho rely on their nose to perform their work. However, the Service Dog’s sniffing should be directly related to task work and not random or merely “exploring.”
>> 	• Respond quickly and readily to the handler’s commands, cues or directions. Service Dogs should give off the appearance to anyone watching that they are highly trained and that they completely understand what’s being asked of them. Service Dogs should possess outstanding obedience skills and above-average manners and both should be readily apparent. A Service Dog’s demeanor, training and behavior should, without question, differentiate them from  all but the best-trained pet dogs.
>> 	• Be able to do pertinent task work to mitigate their handler’s disability. In order to be considered a “Service Dog” under U.S. federal law, a dog must be partnered with an individual with a disability AND perform specific, trained task work to mitigate that disability. Task work is not optional. If a dog doesn’t perform task work, she’s not a Service Dog – she’s an Emotional Support Animal and she doesn’t belong in public.
>> Service Dogs in Public Should NOT:
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>> Service Dogs should be well-behaved.
>> 	• Urinate or defecate inappropriately. If a dog isn’t house trained, she doesn’t belong in public, Service Dog or not. For younger Service Dogs in Training, outings should be short enough to provide plenty of opportunities to make trips outside. “Accidents” are one of the few reasons a business can exclude a Service Dog team and there are no excuses for having a Service Dog who isn’t house trained. On very, very, very, very rare occasions, a Service Dog may truly be sick or have an upset belly and an accident is unavoidable, but those occurrences are definitely an exception and not to be expected from Service Dogs.
>> 	• Whine, bark, grumble, growl or make other noises.
>> 	• Pick food or objects up off the floor or steal (or even show much interest in) food or items that are sitting out. Exceptions to the “picking objects up off the floor” rule include dogs who retrieve dropped items for their handlers or who are otherwise doing trained task work. In general, though, Service Dogs should not interact with distractions or any kind unless cued to or otherwise working.
>> 	• Sniff staff members, patrons, floors, tables, counters, surfaces, products, shelving or anything else unless the Service Dog is performing specific, trained task work, such as detecting allergens or other substances dangerous to their handler.
>> 	• Drag or pull their handler for any reason, unless the dog is performing specific mobility-related task work for their handler as evidenced by the presence of a brace mobility support harness, other task-related gear or wheelchair assistance harness. A Service Dog’s behavior should never appear “out of control,” and there’s a huge difference between a Service Dog providing counter-balance for their handler by leaning into a harness and a dog who is simply dashing here and there and yanking their handler towards distractions.
>> 	• Wander or move widely out of heel position unless cued to by their handler. While Service Dogs aren’t robots and can’t be expected to maintain exact heel position at all times, neither should they range widely enough to infringe on the space, movement or rights of other patrons or teams. Service Dogs should be responsive to their handler’s movements and focused enough to readily move with him/her without significant lags or delay. Service Dogs should not be so engaged or engrossed with the surrounding environment or distractions that they give the appearance of wandering, daydreaming, ignoring or of just being generally untrained.
>> 	• Break “stays,” “unders,” or other fixed-position behaviors to investigate distractions, explore or other move around. Exceptions include Service Dogs who must perform task work that requires them to take the initiative to respond to their handler’s disability regardless of location or position or to retrieve assistance/medication/help. The Service Dog’s decision to break position or disobey a “stay” should be a DIRECT result of specific, trained task work. Again, there’s a huge difference between a dog who gets up because they’re bored or distracted and a Service Dog who’s obviously responding to their handler’s disability.
>> 	• Be anxious, antsy, agitated or aggressive in any way, shape, form or fashion. A Service Dog should never make anyone interacting with her nervous or afraid because of her direct behavior. Some people are afraid of dogs or intimidated by large, dark or certain breeds of dogs, but a Service Dog’s actions should NEVER contribute to that fear. Dogs who are anxious, on edge, reactive, fearful or aggressive in ANY way do not belong in public and especially not as a Service Dog representative.
>> 	• Stink, smell or appear unkempt/ungroomed in any way.
>> 	• Engage with other dogs, people, children or distractions unless allowed to do so by their human partner. The key here is “allowed to do so by their human.” There’s nothing wrong with allowing a Service Dog to greet a friendly child or dog if the handler is comfortable with it, but it should be the handler’s decision and choice, not the Service Dog’s. A Service Dog should not appear overly excited, unfocused, distracted, overstimulated or otherwise out of control. There’s no defined line in the sand on this one, but it’s easy to know once you see it.
>> 	• Jump, scratch, mouth or exhibit other “out of control” behavior. A Service Dog should NEVER exhibit rude, ill-mannered, untrained, or behaviors that are considered inappropriate or nuisances. They should NEVER infringe on other patron’s personal space in a way that appears untrained or impolite. This includes laying their head on stranger’s knees, licking hands while passing by, or leaning against the legs of the person standing next in line. It’s not “cute,” regardless of whether or not the other person provides assurances they’re “ok with it.” A Service Dog should NEVER engage in any behavior or activity that could potentially be hurtful, harmful, leave a bad taste in someone’s mouth or cause the handler to have to apologize to the recipient.
>> If you’re out in public and you see a “Service Dog” engaging in “should not” behaviors and it’s readily obvious the dog in question is just generally ill-mannered or not well-trained, ask to quietly speak to a manager. Let the manager know that while federal law does require them to permit access for all Service Dog teams, they’re not required to deal with dogs who aren’t ready for public access yet, and that federal law allows them to quietly ask the handler to remove the dog from the premise. Don’t challenge the team directly, but by letting the manager know federal law protects their business’ and patron’s rights to not be molested or subjected to poorly behaved Service Dogs, you’ll be paving the way towards better access rights for well-trained Service Dog teams.
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>> When business owners know they have a recourse for dealing with Service Dogs who, due to their temperament, manners or lack of training, obviously shouldn’t be working in public, there’s less backlash from negative encounters with dogs showcasing unacceptable behavior. Many business owners fear excluding a poorly-behaved team due to the “must provide access, period, or you’re breaking the law” statements touted by those who drag their substandard dogs around with them in public, and with every instance their business, clients or sense of control suffers due to a bad experience, the more all teams, even well-trained and professional ones, will encounter access challenges and issues. By providing the manager with the real facts concerning Service Dog access rights, you’re empowering him or her to respond appropriately to those individuals and dogs who negatively impact or affect the Service Dog community as a whole and who cause major problems and issues for any and all re
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> al teams to follow in their wake.
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>> Help educate business and protect Service Dog access rights by sharing this post. By giving businesses the tools to recognize what Service Dogs in public should and should not be doing, you’ll be helping to lessen access challenges overall for teams who have well-trained, well-mannered canine halves and educated, informed human halves. Got something to add, an experience to share or something you feel we should have considered? Tell us with a comment!
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>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: 814-860-3194
>> Mobile: 814-431-0962
>> Email: buddy at brannan.name
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