[nagdu] Cards and Laws was RE: Uber sued for allegedly refusing rides to theblindandputting a dog in the trunk

Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
Sun Sep 14 11:48:57 UTC 2014


For me it would depend on the severity of the offense. If it was bad enough, by golly whoever caused the problem would be putting me on another flight. 

Aleeha Dudley and seeing eye dog Dallas 
Vice President, Ohio Association of blind students
Blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
"The wind of Heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears." Arabian proverb 
 
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> On Sep 14, 2014, at 1:34 AM, melissa R green via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> That is a good point.  You need to pick your battles.  I would have done the
> same thing.  If it came to a choice of missing a plane or showing my iD.  
> 
> Sincerely,
> Melissa R Green and Pj
> "Real friendship understands the depths of true feelings and sounds of words
> unspoken."
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole Torcolini
> via nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 9:29 PM
> To: 'Larry D Keeler'; 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
> Dog Users'; 'Dan Weiner'
> Subject: [nagdu] Cards and Laws was RE: Uber sued for allegedly refusing
> rides to theblindandputting a dog in the trunk
> 
> From what I can remember, I only showed the card that GDB gave me for Lexia
> once. It was at the airport. For no reason, just as my mom and I were about
> to board the plane, the lady at the desk started firing a million questions
> at us about Lexia. I showed her the card because, had I not, we probably
> would have missed the plane. If we had had more time to argue, then I
> probably would not have shown the card. My mom called the airline
> afterwards, but I doubt that anything actually happened. They kept trying to
> give her a voucher to use with the airline. My mom said that she did not
> want that; she wanted to make sure that what happened to us did not happen
> to the next person with a service dog. If this type of stuff is illegal,
> then why don't the laws include the penalties for it, and why aren't
> entities required to respond to complaints instead of just shrugging it off?
> 
> Nicole and Lexia
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry D Keeler
> via nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 2:04 PM
> To: Dan Weiner; NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Uber sued for allegedly refusing rides to
> theblindandputting a dog in the trunk
> 
> Actually, I have had a few folks whom I've shown my ID and they relented. 
> Also they will look at my school tag.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Weiner via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: "'Abigail Bolling'" <violingirl30794 at gmail.com>; "'NAGDU Mailing
> List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Uber sued for allegedly refusing rides to the
> blindandputting a dog in the trunk
> 
> 
>> Respectfully disagreeing, no one who has given me a hard time about 
>> access ever cared whether I had an id card or not.
>> 
>> If people want to be jerks, they do so without any conscience.
>> 
>> Dan  Weiner'
>> 
>> dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Abigail 
>> Bolling via nagdu
>> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 11:34 AM
>> To: Ginger Kutsch; NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of 
>> Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Uber sued for allegedly refusing rides to the 
>> blind andputting a dog in the trunk
>> 
>> The problem of explaining  that the dog is a service animal, I know 
>> this may sound harsh, but as far as I know, the service animal schools 
>> give there handlers ID cards for a reason. A lot of Dog users that I 
>> know refuse to carry them, to which my opinion is a lot of situations 
>> could possibly be avoided just by showing an ID card.
>> I know we shouldn't have to show an ID card to make our point and it 
>> is certainly annoying, but sometimes it is just easier to go that 
>> extra stupid step to save a little headache later.
>> Also, I know I said this on another post about this article, but it is 
>> the responsibility of the handler to know where their dog is at all 
>> times, so why did the handler let the dog be taken away from him and 
>> placed in the trunk in the first place.
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Abby and my little Shadow, Jada.
>> 
>> Abigail Bolling
>> Wright State University: Social Work
>> 
>> "Keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the 
>> music play." (Julie Anderson Diamond)
>> 
>>> On Sep 11, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Ginger Kutsch via nagdu 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Uber sued for allegedly refusing rides to the blind and putting a dog 
>>> in the trunk
>>> 
>>> By Gail Sullivan September 10 Washington Post
>>> 
>>> Source:
>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/09/10/uber-sue
>>> d
>>> -for-a
>>> llegedly-refusing-rides-to-the-blind-and-putting-a-dog-in-the-trunk/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> An advocacy group for the blind is suing the app-based ride-sharing 
>>> service Uber, alleging the company discriminates against passengers 
>>> with service dogs.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The federal civil rights suit filed Tuesday by the California chapter 
>>> of the National Federation of the Blind cites instances in California 
>>> and elsewhere when blind Uber customers summoned a car only to be 
>>> refused a ride once the driver saw them with a service dog. In some 
>>> cases, drivers allegedly abandoned blind travelers in extreme weather 
>>> and charged cancellation fees after denying them rides, the complaint
>> said.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The complaint filed in a Northern California District Court cites one 
>>> instance where a California UberX driver put a service dog in the 
>>> trunk and refused to pull over when the blind passenger realized 
>>> where the
>> animal was.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On another occasion a passenger was trying to explain that his dog 
>>> was not a pet but a service animal when the driver allegedly cursed 
>>> at him and accelerated abruptly, nearly injuring the dog and striking 
>>> the passenger's friend, who is also blind, with an open car door.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The group said it's aware of more than 30 times blind customers were 
>>> denied rides in violation of the American with Disabilities Act and 
>>> California state law.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As a result, blind passengers are confronting unexpected delays and 
>>> "face the degrading experience of being denied a basic service that 
>>> is available to all other paying customers," the complaint said.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Services such as Uber are quickly supplanting traditional taxis, a 
>>> service blind people rely on due to the limitations of public
>> transportation.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The National Federation of the Blind wants Uber to educate its 
>>> drivers about disability rights and punish the violators in addition 
>>> to providing a way for disabled passengers to immediately register 
>>> complaints when they are refused rides because of service dogs.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In a statement reported by the San Francisco Examiner, Uber said its 
>>> policy is to terminate drivers who refuse to transport service 
>>> animals. "The Uber app is built to expand access to transportation 
>>> options for all, including users with visual impairments and other
>> disabilities," the statement said.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> However, Uber allegedly told some passengers it can't control what 
>>> drivers do because they are independent contractors. The company 
>>> advised them to let drivers know about their animals ahead of time, 
>>> said the Federation, which filed suit after Uber rejected its request 
>>> to
>> negotiate a solution.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The group claims the company closely monitors and controls its 
>>> drivers by managing payments and services through the app, and by 
>>> assessing driver performance based on customer feedback.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In September 2013,California's Public Utilities Commission classified 
>>> UberX as a transportation provider because it functions like a taxi 
>>> dispatch. The commission also said that UberX may not discriminate 
>>> against the disabled, the Federation noted.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Figuring out whether to treat Uber like a traditional taxi service or 
>>> something else is the subject of heated debate across the country.
>>> Taxi services are required by federal law to serve the disabled, even 
>>> if drivers are independent contractors.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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