[nagdu] Fake Service Dogs

Mon Aug 3 22:20:49 UTC 2015

I think people approached Miranda concerning the lady because Miranda uses a
service dog, thus making her the "resident expert." It happens all the time.
I think the advice given concerning making sure businesses know that if the
dog is not behaving as it should, if it is a threat because of its behavior
or hygiene or anything else, it is their right to ask the person to leave.
In general, I should think they should approach her themselves, but if I
were asked these questions, I would make some attempt to answer and would
assume that the reason I was asked had to do with the fact that I am using a
dog. Miranda has sought advice that she might not make any errors if she
responds to the questions. IMHO
Cindy Lou Ray
Cindyray at gmail.com

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				I wouldn't either. Honestly, this sounds
like a cat fight to me. 
Why Miranda are you being contacted by "other people" about this woman? I'd
just tell these people "She is an adult, you can approach her the way you
did me" and refuse to engage in further conversation on that topic. 
Frankly, I'm disturbed that you haven't done so already. 

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If it were me, I'd go with Michael's advice.  Help the businesses to
understand that they can ask if the dog is needed because of a disability
and what task/s the dog does.  If she can't answer those questions with a
yes and something that she had to have trained the dog to do, then she can
be refused entry.  I wouldn't get into any sort of disability evaluation. 
If she says she has a disability, then she does, unless a judge finds
otherwise.  If the dog isn't behaved, then she can be asked to remove it. 
Licking, interacting with other customers or their meal, poor grooming to
the point of being a health hazard are all grounds for the dog to leave, in
my humble opinion anyway.

I think all you can really do is to help the businesses understand their
rights.  It might help to print out that recent FAQ that the DOJ just put
out.  Business owners like to see stuff in print from an official source.  I
think it helps them accept it as legitimate and feel more confident in
following through.

There is a lady here, in my town, who has a dog for her psychiatric
condition.  I've run across her twice.  the first time in a restaurant,
where the dog was standing at the end of it's leash in the middle of the
aisle.  the second time was just a few weeks ago in Wal-Mart.  I had Monty
with me.  Apparently her dog was at the end of his leash, trying for all he
was worth to get to Monty.  I didn't realize there was another dog, until my

son told me in the next aisle.   We went on about our shopping and didn't 
encounter her in the store again.  I suspect she was making an effort to
keep her dog away.  Personally, I'm not enthused with her dog's behavior,
but neither do I think it's so horrendous that she should be asked to leave.

My dogs aren't perfect and I'd hope that I'd get the same sort of
compassion.

Julie
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The woman says that she trained the dog herself and many people who know her
claim that the dog is not a service animal. Many are even skeptical about
whether she has PTSD. Needless to say this woman's reputation and past is
not the most desirable.
The dog barks in public, licks people's glasses, begs for food and licks
merchandise in stores. The dog also smells and has fleas or some type of
allergy that makes him scratch constantly.

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What I have observed is that yes, it probably is a service dog. Having said
that however, I have met lots of people with ptsd who for some reason don't
require the dogs to behave!

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Subject: [nagdu] Fake Service Dogs

Hello, In the last week I have been approached by two different individuals
at different times about a woman in town who has PTSD and has a service dog.
Their claims are that it is a fake service animal because of the way it acts
in public. It is a great dane and I have seen it in public before and I
would tend to agree.

I would appreciate any suggestions on how to address this matter?

Miranda

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