[nagdu] Fake Service Dogs

Tue Aug 4 02:28:40 UTC 2015

I don't think we can always judge a person's dis ability by how the dog acts
either. Someone may well have tried to train a dog to deal with their
disability but may not have the true wherewithal to be doing it correctly;
our trainers here have put a lot of time, effort, research into the work,
but everyone who has trained her dog isn't necessarily someone who did
likewise. There are lots of variables. I would hope that if the person needs
to have the dog, someone will encourage her to get help with behavior
modification; if not, then I hope correct channels will fix the problem.
Cindy Lou Ray
cindyray at gmail.com

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J. via
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That's pretty harsh.   Personally, I'm glad we are past the days of 
institutions.  I'm glad freedom and independence are available options for 
all.   I've heard the horror stories about mental institutions and a few 
about institutions for blind people.  I know I don't want to live that way
because of a characteristic I have no control over.  I wouldn't wish it for
anyone else either.

If a dog can help a person with whatever their disability is, then I'm glad
for them.  I just want the dog to be well behaved so it doesn't create
problems for me or others.  And because I want to be treated courteously, I
also extend that to others.

Julie
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From: S L Johnson via nagdu
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Hi Dan:

Yes, it seems that all the nuts and crazy people are getting any old dog and
claiming it is a service dog.  I say, lock the nuts up and keep their poorly
behaved out of control dogs out of the public businesses and housing where
the rest of us normal people want to live and work our real legal guide
hearing or service dogs.  It was sure easier when the laws were not so
liberal, when the only dogs allowed were guide, hearing or service dogs for
physically handicapped.  Then it was obvious the person was disabled.  Now
with all the mentally ill claiming they need service dogs, it is almost
impossible for a business owner to know what to do or think.  I know in my
area there have been some confusing cases of people claiming they were
disabled veterans with dogs for their PTSD.  Some of them admitted to just
putting service dog identification on their pet dogs because they had the
right to be accompanied by a service dog.  Somehow the laws have to clarify
this so any business or person will know who is really disabled and who is
not.

Sandra

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From: Dan Weiner via nagdu
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 5:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fake Service Dogs

Am I imagining it or is everyone and his brother claiming to have a
disability and brinnging aa service animal or supposed one in places. It
used to be we had to go through quite an effort to gain training with our
guide or service dogs and then feel entitled to bring them with us virtually
everywhere.

Dan

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marianne Denning
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Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 5:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fake Service Dogs

In order to be a service dog it must be trained to do a task.  In the case
of PTSD, for example, it may help the woman get out of a situation that is
causing extreme stress or protect her from other people if they are pushing
in too close.  If the dog does not have a task then it is an assistance or
emotional support dog and that is not covered under ADA.  If it is business
owners who are asking you then you can tell them they can ask if the dog is
trained to do a task and what task is it trained to do. I have seen guide
dogs that were trained at the best schools in the U.S. and they aren't
behaving well either.  Just because a dog is misbehaving doesn't mean it
isn't trained.  There are people who do not maintain t he training once they
get home.

On 8/3/15, Miranda Morse via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello, In the last week I have been approached by two different 
> individuals at different times about a woman in town who has PTSD and 
> has a service dog.
> Their claims are that it is a fake service animal because of the way 
> it acts in public. It is a great dane and I have seen it in public 
> before and I would tend to agree.
>
> I would appreciate any suggestions on how to address this matter?
>
> Miranda
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Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
(513) 607-6053

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