[nagdu] Going to Prison.

Tue Aug 11 00:04:43 UTC 2015

Dan,

No, that wasn't the issue.  I would have been happy to let the lady pet him. 
the issue was that it was against the rules.  There was one guard, two 
inmates who had to wear handcuffs and shackles in order to leave the prison. 
the rules are very strict, no physical contact at all.

Julie
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-----Original Message----- 
From: Dan Weiner via nagdu
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Well I'm afraid I would probably have let the person pet my dog, Julie, but
we have different handling styles I suppose.
I mean, the likelyhood of someone saying to you "hey, lady, your guide dog
doesn't have it's harness on, leave right away, it's no longer a service
dog" seems rather unlikely.
But I respect whatever you do, just saying what I would have done.

Warmly,

Dan

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Yes, I suppose folks in the hospital miss their dogs or have had to give
them up because of ongoing health issues.   I wanted so badly to take
Monty's harness off and let the lady visit with him, but of course that
couldn't happen.   It was difficult for me to know she was so upset and
nothing I could do about it.

I will be interested to know how things turn out for you, Julie Courage to
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I will say that I am somewhat familiar with this emotional issue. I see it a
lot at the hospital where I do chaplaincy work, though I would imagine not
nearly that intensely.
Cindy Lou Ray
cindyray at gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
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I don't know about entering a prison with a guide.  In my last job, I used
to have a couple of inmates from the women's prison come and talk to the
class participants.    The only issue was that it was very emotional for
some of the inmates.  They may not have seen a dog for many years.  One lady
had to give up her dogs when she was sentenced.  She didn't know if they
found homes or what happened to them.  Seeing my dog reminded her of all
that pain.  She was in tears for most of the 1.5 hours they were there.

I'm not saying to leave your guide behind, but just to  be aware that the
presence of a dog could be an emotional issue.   It could be a positive
thing or not, no way to know beforehand.  Of course none of this has
anything what-so-ever to do with your legal rights in this situation.

Julie
Courage to Dare: A Blind Woman's Quest to Train her Own Guide Dog is now
available! Get the book here:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00QXZSMOC
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:25 PM
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Subject: [nagdu] Going to Prison.

I am going to go to the women's pennitentury to help with a worship service.
I am wondering about the dog, whether he will be welcome there. I did take a
dog with me to the Shawnee County Jail in Topeka, Kansas, but since the
minister isn't sure I can bring the dog, she is asking someone. I need to be
prepared.

Thanks.

Cindy Lou Ray

cindyray at gmail.com <mailto:cindyray at gmail.com>

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