[nagdu] Going to Prison.

Tue Aug 11 13:35:36 UTC 2015

The thing is, you might not know it was raised in a prison. Besides, I am
sure that there are provisions made for the dogs to receive the education
they need to make them acceptable. The bulk of their guide training is done
at the school anyway, and they will be able to make up what lacks. These
have been very successful programs, and I think we must all be open to the
possibilities that are out there even when they don't seem quite what we
would think we prefer.

Cindy Lou Ray
cindyray at gmail.com

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I would not accept a dog that had been raised in a prison.  I would be
concerned that the dog hadn't been exposed to everyday life in a normal home
environment, children playing, noisy traffic etc...

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And, lets not forget! Some prisoners may have had a hand in training some of
our dogs!Which is a great thing both for them and us! Not saying or judging
the prison system but, like anything else it has holes in it. But, if they
can help train dogs and get comfort from it, well the better for them!

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Sandra, I don't really quite get the hostility. Many have made good points
about this issue already. I will confirm what Julie has said. This is a
women's prison where there is a prison ministry that one of my friends from
seminary runs, and it is very successful. I know someone there who really
should not be, and there are probably countless others who have learned from
their errors. These are people, too, and where there is life there is hope
for change and rebirth. As for my innocent dog, no matter what my point for
going is, his innocence wouldn't be compromised by the visit to the prison.
For him it is an opportunity to work, end of story, and he will gladly blaze
the trail with me if he is able to do so.

Best,
Cindy Lou Ray
cindyray at gmail.com

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I would never consider visiting  prison with or without my dog.  They are
criminals and do not deserve to even look at my dog.  Keep your poor
innocent dog away from the criminals.  Why should you feel sorry for someone

who committed a crime?

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The times I took my dog with me into prisons, it was emotional for the
inmates, but they thanked me repeatedly and profusely for doing it. At San
Quentin, when I went with my cousin to visit her husband, one time a woman
came up to me and asked if her husband could pet my dog. She told me he
hadn't seen a dog in fifteen years. He was in prison for life. I didn't ask
why. I allowed him to pet my dog, and he cried and cried and thanked me over
and over. It meant a lot to him to be able to pet a dog. The times I went
with my singing group, nobody asked to pet my dog, but many inmates
commented on her and how much they loved seeing her.

Sherry

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I don't know about entering a prison with a guide.  In my last job, I used
to have a couple of inmates from the women's prison come and talk to the
class participants.    The only issue was that it was very emotional for
some of the inmates.  They may not have seen a dog for many years.  One lady

had to give up her dogs when she was sentenced.  She didn't know if they
found homes or what happened to them.  Seeing my dog reminded her of all
that pain.  She was in tears for most of the 1.5 hours they were there.

I'm not saying to leave your guide behind, but just to  be aware that the
presence of a dog could be an emotional issue.   It could be a positive
thing or not, no way to know beforehand.  Of course none of this has
anything what-so-ever to do with your legal rights in this situation.

Julie
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I am going to go to the women's pennitentury to help with a worship service.
I am wondering about the dog, whether he will be welcome there. I did take a
dog with me to the Shawnee County Jail in Topeka, Kansas, but since the
minister isn't sure I can bring the dog, she is asking someone. I need to be
prepared.

Thanks.

Cindy Lou Ray

cindyray at gmail.com <mailto:cindyray at gmail.com>

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