[nagdu] Going to Prison.

Tue Aug 11 20:01:19 UTC 2015

Sandra, that was NOT nice. Remember, Pilot uses prisoners to raise
some of there dogs, and I do believe that is your school. The program
has been featured on Animal Planet. I will se if I can find it and
post the documentary. I used to feel strongly about it but if that dog
came out solid why should I care? What if you became one of those
criminals? Be kind!

On 8/11/15, Danielle Ledet <singingmywayin at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yep better to ask. I did bring a dog with me to the parish jail once
> and it was as if he weren't even there. Perfect! But you never know.
> Wishing you the best! Congrats!
>
> On 8/11/15, Sherry Gomes via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I know one woman who got a dog raised in a prison. She was told in
>> advance
>> and asked if she would mind. She was given a brief explanation of the
>> reason
>> the raiser was in prison and it wasn't for anything like murder. she
>> accepted the dog and that dog was sharp as could be and very very sweet.
>> Having said that, some years ago I read a book called Small sacrifices,
>> by
>> ann Rule. It was the Diane downs story. Downs murdered one of her three
>> children and tried to murder the others, injuring them severely. When the
>> author met with Downs in prison, she was raising a service dog puppy.
>> Downs
>> showed no remorse for what she did to her own children. It frankly
>> sickened
>> me that she could murder her children in cold blood with no remorse at
>> all
>> and yet had the privilege of raising a puppy. It really scarred me, and I
>> wouldn't want a dog raised in prison if there was any chance it was
>> raised
>> by someone like Downs. If dogs are raised in prison by nonviolent
>> offenders
>> that would be different for me, but small sacrifices did me in
>> emotionally.
>>
>> Sherry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of melissa R
>> green
>> via nagdu
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 12:20 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Cc: melissa R green
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Going to Prison.
>>
>> I believe that GDF is also
>> having some dogs from a
>> prison.  I am sure it is a
>> very strict screening process
>> for the prisoners to qualify
>> for the program.  I am all for
>> providing a second chance,
>> because I know that people
>> make mistakes.
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Melissa R. Green and Pj
>> It is 'where we are' that
>> should make all the
>> difference, whether we believe
>> we belong there or not.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu
>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.o
>> rg] On Behalf Of Becky
>> Frankeberger via nagdu
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015
>> 9:52 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the
>> National Association of Guide
>> Dog Users'
>> Cc: Becky Frankeberger
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Going to
>> Prison.
>>
>> Some of Pilot's most obedient
>> dogs were raised at Marysville
>> Prison for women, I believe.
>>
>> I am not sure any more how
>> many schools are still using
>> prison raised dogs.
>> Do any of you know if your
>> school is availing themselves
>> of the fine prison raised
>> dogs? I think Southeastern is
>> and Pilot.
>>
>> Becky
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu
>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.o
>> rg] On Behalf Of S L Johnson
>> via nagdu
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015
>> 6:29 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the
>> National Association of Guide
>> Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: S L Johnson
>> <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Going to
>> Prison.
>>
>> I would not accept a dog that
>> had been raised in a prison.
>> I would be concerned that the
>> dog hadn't been exposed to
>> everyday life in a normal home
>> environment, children playing,
>> noisy traffic etc...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: larry d keeler via nagdu
>> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015
>> 11:01 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the
>> National Association of Guide
>> Dog Users'
>> Cc: larry d keeler
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Going to
>> Prison.
>>
>> And, lets not forget! Some
>> prisoners may have had a hand
>> in training some of our
>> dogs!Which is a great thing
>> both for them and us! Not
>> saying or judging the prison
>> system but, like anything else
>> it has holes in it. But, if
>> they can help train dogs and
>> get comfort from it, well the
>> better for them!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu
>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.o
>> rg] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
>> nagdu
>> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015
>> 10:43 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the
>> National Association of Guide
>> Dog Users'
>> Cc: Cindy Ray
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Going to
>> Prison.
>>
>> Sandra, I don't really quite
>> get the hostility. Many have
>> made good points about this
>> issue already. I will confirm
>> what Julie has said. This is a
>> women's prison where there is
>> a prison ministry that one of
>> my friends from seminary runs,
>> and it is very successful. I
>> know someone there who really
>> should not be, and there are
>> probably countless others who
>> have learned from their
>> errors. These are people, too,
>> and where there is life there
>> is hope for change and
>> rebirth. As for my innocent
>> dog, no matter what my point
>> for going is, his innocence
>> wouldn't be compromised by the
>> visit to the prison.
>> For him it is an opportunity
>> to work, end of story, and he
>> will gladly blaze the trail
>> with me if he is able to do
>> so.
>>
>> Best,
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu
>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.o
>> rg] On Behalf Of S L Johnson
>> via nagdu
>> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015
>> 6:02 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the
>> National Association of Guide
>> Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: S L Johnson
>> <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Going to
>> Prison.
>>
>> I would never consider
>> visiting  prison with or
>> without my dog.  They are
>> criminals and do not deserve
>> to even look at my dog.  Keep
>> your poor innocent dog away
>> from the criminals.  Why
>> should you feel sorry for
>> someone
>>
>> who committed a crime?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sherry Gomes via nagdu
>> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015
>> 6:52 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the
>> National Association of Guide
>> Dog Users'
>> Cc: Sherry Gomes ; 'Julie J.'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Going to
>> Prison.
>>
>> The times I took my dog with
>> me into prisons, it was
>> emotional for the inmates, but
>> they thanked me repeatedly and
>> profusely for doing it. At San
>> Quentin, when I went with my
>> cousin to visit her husband,
>> one time a woman came up to me
>> and asked if her husband could
>> pet my dog. She told me he
>> hadn't seen a dog in fifteen
>> years. He was in prison for
>> life. I didn't ask why. I
>> allowed him to pet my dog, and
>> he cried and cried and thanked
>> me over and over. It meant a
>> lot to him to be able to pet a
>> dog. The times I went with my
>> singing group, nobody asked to
>> pet my dog, but many inmates
>> commented on her and how much
>> they loved seeing her.
>>
>> Sherry
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu
>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.o
>> rg] On Behalf Of Julie J. via
>> nagdu
>> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015
>> 4:43 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the
>> National Association of Guide
>> Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Julie J.
>> <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Going to
>> Prison.
>>
>> I don't know about entering a
>> prison with a guide.  In my
>> last job, I used to have a
>> couple of inmates from the
>> women's prison come and talk
>> to the
>> class participants.    The
>> only issue was that it was
>> very emotional for
>> some of the inmates.  They may
>> not have seen a dog for many
>> years.  One lady
>>
>> had to give up her dogs when
>> she was sentenced.  She didn't
>> know if they found homes or
>> what happened to them.  Seeing
>> my dog reminded her of all
>> that pain.  She was in tears
>> for most of the 1.5 hours they
>> were there.
>>
>> I'm not saying to leave your
>> guide behind, but just to  be
>> aware that the
>> presence of a dog could be an
>> emotional issue.   It could be
>> a positive
>> thing or not, no way to know
>> beforehand.  Of course none of
>> this has anything what-so-ever
>> to do with your legal rights
>> in this situation.
>>
>> Julie
>> Courage to Dare: A Blind
>> Woman's Quest to Train her Own
>> Guide Dog is now available!
>> Get the book here:
>> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00QX
>> ZSMOC
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cindy Ray via nagdu
>> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015
>> 5:25 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the
>> National Association of Guide
>> Dog Users'
>> Cc: Cindy Ray
>> Subject: [nagdu] Going to
>> Prison.
>>
>> I am going to go to the
>> women's pennitentury to help
>> with a worship service.
>> I am wondering about the dog,
>> whether he will be welcome
>> there. I did take a dog with
>> me to the Shawnee County Jail
>> in Topeka, Kansas, but since
>> the minister isn't sure I can
>> bring the dog, she is asking
>> someone. I need to be
>> prepared.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>> <mailto:cindyray at gmail.com>
>>
>>
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