[nagdu] Going to Prison.

Sherry Gomes sherriola at gmail.com
Tue Aug 11 21:22:04 UTC 2015


the woman I know who has a prison raised dog is a professional woman, who is
often in the public eye who works in an environment that demands excellent
behavior from her dog, who travels frequently for work and pleasure. and her
dog is one of the most confident dogs I've ever met, as well as being
perfectly behaved and very sweet. the school from where I get my dogs
doesn't do prison raising, but if I hadn't read the book about Diane Downs
long before meeting this woman's dog, I'd have been so impressed I'd never
have thought twice. This dog is a dog you could take anywhere. She
definitely throws all the fears of dogs not getting socialized enough or not
building their confidence enough out the window. And I'm not anti-prison
raised dogs in general. I've visited prisons and prisoners and most of them
aren't hardened horrible people. I believe they should get rehab and people
should interact with them to try to help them become better and be ready for
another chance whenever they can get out, if they can. There are some I hope
never get out, but overall I wish them the best. People make mistakes and
I'm sure most regret it and just try to survive.



-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of S L Johnson via
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Going to Prison.

Hi Sherry:

That is exactly what I am talking about.  It would break my heart to think 
of a a violent offender having their hands on my sweet gentle golden.  Also,

as I said, I would be very concerned that only weekend exposure to normal 
home life wouldn't be enough for the puppy.  Anyone who has raised a future 
guide dog will tell you that they are expected to take the puppy to as many 
types of places as possible so the puppy will grow into a confident dog 
comfortable with all the outside noises and activities.  Being locked up in 
a prison all week doesn't give the puppy the chance to live in a normal 
house and experience normal life.  Having them taken home on weekends isn't 
enough.  Another concern is the harsh prison atmosphere could have a very 
negative effect on some of the more sensitive dogs.  I had heard that Pilot 
had some dogs raised in a prison so, I made sure to ask before I got Eva to 
be sure she wasn't from the prison program .

Sandra and Eva

-----Original Message----- 
From: Sherry Gomes via nagdu
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Going to Prison.

I know one woman who got a dog raised in a prison. She was told in advance
and asked if she would mind. She was given a brief explanation of the reason
the raiser was in prison and it wasn't for anything like murder. she
accepted the dog and that dog was sharp as could be and very very sweet.
Having said that, some years ago I read a book called Small sacrifices, by
ann Rule. It was the Diane downs story. Downs murdered one of her three
children and tried to murder the others, injuring them severely. When the
author met with Downs in prison, she was raising a service dog puppy. Downs
showed no remorse for what she did to her own children. It frankly sickened
me that she could murder her children in cold blood with no remorse at all
and yet had the privilege of raising a puppy. It really scarred me, and I
wouldn't want a dog raised in prison if there was any chance it was raised
by someone like Downs. If dogs are raised in prison by nonviolent offenders
that would be different for me, but small sacrifices did me in emotionally.

Sherry





-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Going to Prison.

I believe that GDF is also
having some dogs from a
prison.  I am sure it is a
very strict screening process
for the prisoners to qualify
for the program.  I am all for
providing a second chance,
because I know that people
make mistakes.

Warmly,
Melissa R. Green and Pj
It is 'where we are' that
should make all the
difference, whether we believe
we belong there or not.


-----Original Message-----
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Prison.

Some of Pilot's most obedient
dogs were raised at Marysville
Prison for women, I believe.

I am not sure any more how
many schools are still using
prison raised dogs.
Do any of you know if your
school is availing themselves
of the fine prison raised
dogs? I think Southeastern is
and Pilot.

Becky

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Going to
Prison.

I would not accept a dog that
had been raised in a prison.
I would be concerned that the
dog hadn't been exposed to
everyday life in a normal home
environment, children playing,
noisy traffic etc...

-----Original Message-----
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Prison.

And, lets not forget! Some
prisoners may have had a hand
in training some of our
dogs!Which is a great thing
both for them and us! Not
saying or judging the prison
system but, like anything else
it has holes in it. But, if
they can help train dogs and
get comfort from it, well the
better for them!

-----Original Message-----
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Prison.

Sandra, I don't really quite
get the hostility. Many have
made good points about this
issue already. I will confirm
what Julie has said. This is a
women's prison where there is
a prison ministry that one of
my friends from seminary runs,
and it is very successful. I
know someone there who really
should not be, and there are
probably countless others who
have learned from their
errors. These are people, too,
and where there is life there
is hope for change and
rebirth. As for my innocent
dog, no matter what my point
for going is, his innocence
wouldn't be compromised by the
visit to the prison.
For him it is an opportunity
to work, end of story, and he
will gladly blaze the trail
with me if he is able to do
so.

Best,
Cindy Lou Ray
cindyray at gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
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Prison.

I would never consider
visiting  prison with or
without my dog.  They are
criminals and do not deserve
to even look at my dog.  Keep
your poor innocent dog away
from the criminals.  Why
should you feel sorry for
someone

who committed a crime?

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Going to
Prison.

The times I took my dog with
me into prisons, it was
emotional for the inmates, but
they thanked me repeatedly and
profusely for doing it. At San
Quentin, when I went with my
cousin to visit her husband,
one time a woman came up to me
and asked if her husband could
pet my dog. She told me he
hadn't seen a dog in fifteen
years. He was in prison for
life. I didn't ask why. I
allowed him to pet my dog, and
he cried and cried and thanked
me over and over. It meant a
lot to him to be able to pet a
dog. The times I went with my
singing group, nobody asked to
pet my dog, but many inmates
commented on her and how much
they loved seeing her.

Sherry



-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Going to
Prison.

I don't know about entering a
prison with a guide.  In my
last job, I used to have a
couple of inmates from the
women's prison come and talk
to the
class participants.    The
only issue was that it was
very emotional for
some of the inmates.  They may
not have seen a dog for many
years.  One lady

had to give up her dogs when
she was sentenced.  She didn't
know if they found homes or
what happened to them.  Seeing
my dog reminded her of all
that pain.  She was in tears
for most of the 1.5 hours they
were there.

I'm not saying to leave your
guide behind, but just to  be
aware that the
presence of a dog could be an
emotional issue.   It could be
a positive
thing or not, no way to know
beforehand.  Of course none of
this has anything what-so-ever
to do with your legal rights
in this situation.

Julie
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Woman's Quest to Train her Own
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-----Original Message-----
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Subject: [nagdu] Going to
Prison.

I am going to go to the
women's pennitentury to help
with a worship service.
I am wondering about the dog,
whether he will be welcome
there. I did take a dog with
me to the Shawnee County Jail
in Topeka, Kansas, but since
the minister isn't sure I can
bring the dog, she is asking
someone. I need to be
prepared.

Thanks.

Cindy Lou Ray

cindyray at gmail.com
<mailto:cindyray at gmail.com>



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