[nagdu] Arbitrary restrictions on playing with future guide dogs

Wed Aug 12 15:29:11 UTC 2015

I had a pet like that. Whatever Holly did, he would not play! He was a
really smatrt poodle-westie mix but for some reason never learned how to
play. Not the new eskie! He keeps Holly quite busy! 

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda via nagdu
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 11:05 AM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Arbitrary restrictions on playing with future guide
dogs

hi.  there have been times that I wish my guides would have been able to
fetch. I constantly drop things and have a hard time finding them.As for
play both my retired guide and current guide don't know how to play.  they
literally stare at me when I throw them the ball or hold out a toy for
tug...  I'm not sure if they were just not how to play, but it is somewhat
difficult to do bonding exercises when they just don't know what to do. This
isn't a problem with my boyfriends' guide who loves to play and tries her
hardest to git my girl to play. so, i think there needs to be gguidelines,
but totally restricting dogs their toys or the ability to fetch in my
opinion can hender a relationship with our dogs.

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> On Aug 11, 2015, at 10:20 PM, Raven Tolliver via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> As some of you know, I recently started working at LDB. One of the 
> aspects of my job is handing puppies over to puppy-raisers, explaining 
> to them basic dos and don'ts of raising, and going through the 16-page 
> contract they have to sign.
> 
> One of the things we tell them not to do is play fetch with the dogs.
> Also, many of you know that the schools advise both raisers and 
> clients against giving the dogs soft toys, such as stuffed animals, 
> squeaky toys, or rope toys--anything they can tear apart easily.
> 
> I recently sat down with the director of training and asked him why 
> they set these guidelines. He explained that LDB doesn't want to 
> stimulate a dog's prey-drive. They don't want the dogs to be excited 
> by moving objects or moving animals because it could translate into 
> lunging after balls, animals, etc in harness.
> 
> I think this is ridiculous. I haven't raised a pup myself, so maybe 
> there's something to it. But since I've brought my golden home, we 
> play fetch with balls and frisbees, tug with stuffed animals or 
> squeaky toys, and whenever the Golden Guy is in his kennel at work, I 
> give him a stuffed golden retriever as a comfort object, though he 
> probably doesn't need it. My coworkers were surprised that my dog will 
> not chew the stuffed toy apart and rip the stuffing out of it.
> Also, I played fetch with him out in the hallways tonight, and the 
> kennel care staff asked very sarcastically, "Wow, playing fetch 
> doesn't ruin his work?" And we then had a long discussion about how 
> the no-fetch advice is extremely unrealistic. They even told me that 
> the trainers will play fetch with the dogs in the runs sometimes, and 
> that there are many a tennis ball in the training trucks while dogs 
> wait their turns to be with their trainers.
> 
> I understand all dogs are not the same. Some dogs will chew toys up if 
> you let them, or if they're under stress. But you should monitor your 
> dog with toys no matter what. Some dogs just have the prey-drive 
> engrained in them and will go after moving objects and small animals 
> regardless. But I don't think the ways we play with them mitigates or 
> increases these behaviors. Retrievers were originally trained to 
> fetch, and shepherds were trained to lead and chase. They can 
> differentiate very well between what they do with toys out of harness, 
> and what their job is when in-harness. Given, dogs have their 
> distractions, but again, I don't think playtime has anything to do 
> with it, unless play is used as a reward during work.
> Even then, the reward is offered after a cue is given, so if used 
> properly, this kind of play would improve a dog's work, not ruin it.
> 
> Does anyone else find that the advice against fetch and soft toys is 
> nonsense? Or Is it legit in your experience?
> --
> Raven
> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
> www.1am-editing.com
> 
> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you 
> have or what you do.
> 
> Naturally-reared guide dogs
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> 
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