[nagdu] Going to Prison.

Wed Aug 12 16:52:14 UTC 2015

Hi Jennifer,

Yes, they have software to transcribe the books.  I don't know what it
is though, but the high level of quality I've seen from their products
leads me to believe that their facilities are very nice.  I'll know
more when I visit!  :)

On 8/11/15, larry d keeler via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> And, any self respecting puppy has to have time to play and get up to
> dickens!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven Tolliver
> via nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:58 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Raven Tolliver
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Going to Prison.
>
> Sandra,
> I'm not sure if you've ever raised a puppy, but believe it or not, these
> puppies are not out and training all day every day. During the first few
> months of training, you spend more time in-house, teaching your dog basic
> obedience and general expectations on house-living, house-training, and
> interacting with people. Also, people typically take their dogs out a
> couple
> times a week, for different lengths of time, depending on what the dog is
> individually able to handle. In reality, a weekend is enough to do what
> raisers would typically do in a week, in addition to the exposure that they
> get in the prisons.
>
> There is much more to prison life than being locked up in a cell. At many
> prisons, prisoners have daily tasks that they must complete, such as
> cooking, laundry, cleaning. Prisoners have access to church services,
> libraries, and dining halls as well. Furthermore, there are cities who seem
> to run on their prison population. I used to live in grand Rapids, where
> prisoners shovel and plow the snow, clean the streets, and do construction
> work.
> So neither prisoners nor the puppies some of them raise are stewing in a
> cell. They have things to do, just like we do.
>
> I have seen puppies raised in the prison system, and they are extremely
> well-behaved, typically better behaved than many of the home-raised dogs I
> see.
>
> I personally wouldn't care who raised my dog. After the dog is mine, it is
> my responsibility to ensure that the dog meets my expectations and behaves
> in a way that matches my personal standards.
>
> It's okay to have your own opinion, just know that your opinions and
> assumptions demonstrate that you are ill-informed about prison life, pups'
> lives in prison, and the very prisoners who raise the dogs.
> --
> Raven
> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
> www.1am-editing.com
>
> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you have or
> what you do.
>
> Naturally-reared guide dogs
> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
>
> On 8/11/15, S L Johnson via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> For your information, I am retired now but, I have worked in the human
>> services field and in music ministries.  My guide dogs were always with
> me.
>>
>> We all have our own comfort levels and are all entitled to our own
> opinions.
>>
>> That doesn't make me a bad person any more than your opinion would
>> make you
>>
>> one.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Julie J. via nagdu
>> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 8:13 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Julie J.
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Going to Prison.
>>
>> Sandra,
>> My last job was working with criminal offenders.  Never having my
>> guide around *those people* would have meant a lot less work for him.
>> What's the point?
>>
>> It's clear you do not or ever have worked in a human service field and
>> personally I think that's been a good choice for you.  I won't go into
>> all the misconceptions about *those people* because that is far off
>> topic for this list.  I do wish that you'd at least try to be supportive
> of people.
>> Cindy is a minister.  she is trying to do the right thing both for
>> herself
>> and others.   She's asking for information and also support as she tries
>> new
>> things and expands her work.  I think that's great.   I wish her all the
>> best as she moves forward with her dreams.
>>
>> Julie
>> Courage to Dare: A Blind Woman's Quest to Train her Own Guide Dog is
>> now available! Get the book here:
>> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00QXZSMOC
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: S L Johnson via nagdu
>> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 6:01 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: S L Johnson
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Going to Prison.
>>
>> I would never consider visiting  prison with or without my dog.  They
>> are criminals and do not deserve to even look at my dog.  Keep your
>> poor innocent dog away from the criminals.  Why should you feel sorry
>> for someone who committed a crime?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sherry Gomes via nagdu
>> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 6:52 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Cc: Sherry Gomes ; 'Julie J.'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Going to Prison.
>>
>> The times I took my dog with me into prisons, it was emotional for the
>> inmates, but they thanked me repeatedly and profusely for doing it. At
>> San Quentin, when I went with my cousin to visit her husband, one time
>> a woman came up to me and asked if her husband could pet my dog. She
>> told me he hadn't seen a dog in fifteen years. He was in prison for
>> life. I didn't ask why. I allowed him to pet my dog, and he cried and
>> cried and thanked me over and over. It meant a lot to him to be able
>> to pet a dog. The times I went with my singing group, nobody asked to
>> pet my dog, but many inmates commented on her and how much they loved
>> seeing her.
>>
>> Sherry
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>> via nagdu
>> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 4:43 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Julie J. <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Going to Prison.
>>
>> I don't know about entering a prison with a guide.  In my last job, I
>> used to have a couple of inmates from the women's prison come and talk to
> the
>> class participants.    The only issue was that it was very emotional for
>> some of the inmates.  They may not have seen a dog for many years.
>> One lady
>>
>> had to give up her dogs when she was sentenced.  She didn't know if
>> they found homes or what happened to them.  Seeing my dog reminded her
>> of all that pain.  She was in tears for most of the 1.5 hours they were
> there.
>>
>> I'm not saying to leave your guide behind, but just to  be aware that the
>> presence of a dog could be an emotional issue.   It could be a positive
>> thing or not, no way to know beforehand.  Of course none of this has
>> anything what-so-ever to do with your legal rights in this situation.
>>
>> Julie
>> Courage to Dare: A Blind Woman's Quest to Train her Own Guide Dog is
>> now available! Get the book here:
>> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00QXZSMOC
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cindy Ray via nagdu
>> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:25 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Cc: Cindy Ray
>> Subject: [nagdu] Going to Prison.
>>
>> I am going to go to the women's pennitentury to help with a worship
>> service.
>> I am wondering about the dog, whether he will be welcome there. I did
>> take a dog with me to the Shawnee County Jail in Topeka, Kansas, but
>> since the minister isn't sure I can bring the dog, she is asking
>> someone. I need to be prepared.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>
>> cindyray at gmail.com <mailto:cindyray at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>>
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Julie McGinnity
National Federation of the Blind of Missouri second vice president,
National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President
graduate, Guiding Eyes for the Blind 2008, 2014
"For we walk by faith, not by sight"
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