[nagdu] Fwd: A question Julie and Tom

[Tom Hunter]

Pack, yes. On trying the 2nd school, I was urged to get more cane
training, which I did by contacting Columbia Lighthouse for the Blind. 
I got more cane training through them, and the 2nd school even asked me
to ask for 'blindfolded' training. The Lighthouse O&M lady just told me
to shut my eye, but the guy who came to watch (and film) me walking,
gave me goggles which made me really blind on the walk.

The cane was the only thing warning me of a big truck, parked athwart
the sidewalk! I felt this obstruction, unseen by my blurred eye. At the
end of that block, I was allowed to take the blinding goggles off, and
saw this huge truck behind me.

Unlike the 1st guy (Chuck Ferrugia from GDB) this 2nd one said he was in
favor of the idea of me and a dog, but warned that it'd be only a 50%
shot, once it went to committee.
-- 
  Tom Hunter
  tomhunter at operamail.com


On Fri, Aug 28, 2015, at 05:51 PM, The Pawpower Pack via nagdu wrote:
> Hi Tom, 
> You may want to start using the cane full time. Get used to practicing
> nonvisual travel.  Have you thought of wearing a blindfold— sometimes
> called sleep shades—- during your training with the cane? Are you still
> having training with an O&M instructor?  
> If you are used to using your sight when you travel, you will override
> the dog and not fully trust her or him.  This will undo the training.  
> So I think the first thing is to become comfortable traveling as a blind
> person with a cane.  
> There are some devices, that use ultrasound, and alert the person via
> vibration to objects in your path.  One of these is a tactile miniguide. 
> You might find one of these helpful to scan for things at head height. 
> Good luck! 
> 
>  Rox and the kitchen Bitches: 
> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:40 PM, Tom Hunter via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > 
> > Yvonne and Julie, thanks. I just talked on phone to Cindy Ray, who urged
> > me to use my cane all the time, too.
> > 
> > The 2nd school sent someone to watch me walk in my neighborhood, and
> > asked if I always used my cane when walking  out of the house.
> > 
> > I  confessed, I don't use it more than half the time in my neighborhood,
> > where my wife and I have lived for over 20 years. I try to walk twice a
> > day, and so, the neighborhood's still familiar.  I have bumped into
> > someone on the sidewalk, twice, so I should use the cane more.
> > 
> > I've also hit my head on a guy wire over sidewalk more than once, and on
> > low branches overhead while on another sidewalk  with a cane, though I
> > didn't sweep the white cane overhead.
> > 
> > Cindy Ray confirmed what I have heard this week.  There is no such
> > animal, other than a guide dog (or pony?) whom I am allowed to use to
> > help with my disability, which is, I'm 'legally blind'. Basically, a
> > guide dog or no dog for me, if I want to go with, to places where
> > 'regular' dogs are not allowed.
> > 
> > I seem to have fallen through the cracks here.  Too blind to have a
> > driver's license, or to work at a job I've done for 30 years. Blind
> > enough to be on long-term disability. But a guide dog seems out of
> > reach.
> > 
> > 
> > Unless... Thoughts, anyone?
> > -- 
> >  Tom Hunter
> >  tomhunter at operamail.com
> > 
> > 
> >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015, at 04:04 PM, Yvonne M. Thompson via nagdu wrote:
> >> Julie & Tom, I am ranting inside along with you. I have never heard such
> >> a 
> >> thing as what some on the line is spouting........
> >> 
> >> Now with that said, My vision is very limited from RP and just like Tom
> >> said 
> >> it throws off everything else. My guide dog was a blessing and improved
> >> my 
> >> quality of life 1000%. I will Email shortly and give you Tom, the info
> >> you 
> >> need to get the process started to get your dog.
> >> Julie you are right about making sure you are not over riding the dog
> >> when 
> >> you are working him or her....that makes perfect sense.
> >> Thank God I have my dog and 3 degrees of vision left.
> >> Tom I will contact you shortly.....
> >> Yvonne
> >> Now I have to go cool off.... the nerve of some people... GRRRRR
> >> 
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Julie J. via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Cc: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 2:25 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fwd: A question
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> So it sounds like they are saying that guide dogs are only for the truly 
> >>> pathetic and you'll never move as fast with a dog as you would with 
> >>> vision. That irritates me to no end.
> >>> 
> >>> Tom, my above rant set aside, have you received any mobility training with 
> >>> a cane?  What does your mobility instructor think about the way you 
> >>> travel? Do you use your cane all the time when you go  outside of your own 
> >>> home?  Do you find that you avoid certain places or times of the day 
> >>> because your vision prevents you from feeling confident about navigating?
> >>> 
> >>> My husband also has a brain injury.  While it didn't affect his vision, it 
> >>> is still absolutely terrifying when he even bumps his head a little.   His 
> >>> doctor's said the same thing about using extreme caution to avoid further 
> >>> injury.  they also suggested he wear a helmet when participating in 
> >>> activities which could be potentially hazardous.
> >>> 
> >>> The thing about having some vision and using a guide dog is that it is 
> >>> very easy to over ride what the dog is indicating.  After a while the dog 
> >>> will get the idea that you've got it, so he doesn't need to be diligent in 
> >>> his duties.  then you'll whack into something because you didn't see it 
> >>> and the dog thought you could because you've indicated to him in the past 
> >>> that you could.  Certainly a dog could be taught to only do specific guide 
> >>> tasks for you, like the over head clearance.  the problem is two fold 
> >>> though.  First, I don't know of anyplace that does this sort of customized 
> >>> training.  You'd have to hire someone and pay out of pocket for it. 
> >>> Second, how often would you encounter overhangs for the dog to get in 
> >>> enough practice?  To keep the skills sharp, the dog has to have fairly 
> >>> routine practice with them.
> >>> 
> >>> Julie
> >>> Courage to Dare: A Blind Woman's Quest to Train her Own Guide Dog is now 
> >>> available! Get the book here:
> >>> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00QXZSMOC
> >>> -----Original Message----- 
> >>> From: Tom Hunter via nagdu
> >>> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 1:06 PM
> >>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >>> Cc: Tom Hunter ; Buddy Brannan
> >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fwd: A question
> >>> 
> >>> Buddy, 2 schools, first GDB on the west coast, then a school in NY which
> >>> sent me an email:
> >>> 
> >>> August 14, 2015
> >>> 
> >>> Dear Tom,
> >>> 
> >>> Our Admissions Committee has carefully reviewed your file.  Your
> >>> application for a guide dog has been denied on the basis of your being
> >>> too visual a traveler to benefit from a guide dog and be successful with
> >>> one.
> >>> I am sorry we cannot be of service to you, Tom. It has been my pleasure
> >>> corresponding with you throughout this process.
> >>> 
> >>> --> To be honest, if you are determined, you may find a guide dog school
> >>> that will accept you. But when the judgment of both Guide Dogs for the
> >>> Blind and our school is that it is not a good idea, you may not want to
> >>> consider a school with softer criteria.  A guide dog is a real benefit
> >>> when your vision loss is such that you cannot get around safely without
> >>> a cane. But this is not the case for you. When a person has enough
> >>> useable vision to get around visually, the particulars of handling and
> >>> using a guide dog can actually be a burden and can slow you down rather
> >>> than enhance your mobility.
> >>> Our best wishes go with you.
> >>> Sincerely [etc]
> >>> -- 
> >>> Tom Hunter
> >>> tomhunter at operamail.com
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015, at 01:56 PM, Buddy Brannan via nagdu wrote:
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>> 
> >>>> Twice rejected: from the same school or from several? Even if you were
> >>>> rejected by two guide dog schools, that leaves about a dozen left at
> >>>> which to apply. Did they give you any reason for why you weren't
> >>>> accepted? If so, what was it, and what steps were recommended that you
> >>>> take to improve your chances at getting accepted next time?
> >>>> 
> >>>> --
> >>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> >>>> Phone: 814-860-3194
> >>>> Mobile: 814-431-0962
> >>>> Email: buddy at brannan.name
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Tom Hunter via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Hi, all. I'm new to this list, and have been 'legally blind' since 
> >>>>> 2012,
> >>>>> when I fell from my bicycle, starting my commute home from work. 
> >>>>> Severe
> >>>>> head injury left my optic nerves dead from one eye, and damaged from 
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> other. Optic nerves are gone and do not recover.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I was told I could be teamed with a guide dog, but have been rejected
> >>>>> twice. Hence my question.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Is there a service dog I could be paired with, despite being judged a
> >>>>> bad match for a seeing eye dog?