[nagdu] Guides at NFB training centers

[larry d keeler]

My take on the matter is that we should be able to use our dogs at NFB
centers just like we would anywhere else. Ok, during cane specific O and M
lessons or if cane use is essential for the testing process. I also believe
that instructors should be familiar with the basics of guide dog use. For
example, what the commands do, what the dog is doing when responding to
those commands and what dogs can and can't do. Many O and M instructors have
very little idea of how to teach dog users mobility. I also believe that
discrimination within the NFB against dog users is still pretty prevelant.
Why ban or severely restrict dog use in the centers during classes that
don't involve cane use directly! I use both dog and cane well. I understand
the need for good cane travel. What I don't understand is why and how its ok
to tell people they can't work they're dogs for a good part of the day! And
in some cases for as much as 9 months! I personally just don't get it! Also,
I think other blind people need to know how to deal with dogs in the
classroom and at the dinner table and in the lounge! Some need to learn not
to poke or beat dogs with they're canes. They need to learn that sometimes
they may need to share foot room under the table with a dog. We may also
have to learn ways to keep this from happening without causing conflict. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
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Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 10:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guides at NFB training centers

I can't see why we would go back to that time. I think the crux of the
discussion is that how the centers do business with relation to dogs is or
is not warranted. I would hate if the dogs were not allowed.
Michael, I don't know if you were talking about the woman who filed the
complaint while Allen Harris was here, but that situation was way more
complex than it seems. The woman had already been trained and was coming in
for additional training. They had reached an agreement, but then she was
encouraged to file a complaint. If you are talking about someone when you
were here, then I don't expect I know about that.
Cindy Lou Ray
Cindyray at gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guides at NFB training centers

Hi all.
When I went to the colorado
center, it was the only nfb
center that accepted dogs.
There was convention where a
resolution was passed to allow
informed choice which included
people with guide dogs
attending the centers.  I know
that at the CCB They had lots
of interaction with gDB and
possibly TSE.  Which helped
with dog guide users.    IMO,
the current directors of the
centers are not dog guide
users, and I think that there
should be time for you to work
with your dog built into the
individualized program of each
student.  We also need to tell
the centers these things so
that the programs can become
better.  Lastly, there were
times where there was no dogs
allowed at the centers at all,
and because the director of
Colorado was a dog user is why
it was the only center that
allowed dog users.  I hope
that we won't go back to this
time, and that we can make the
centers better.  

Warmly,
Melissa R. Green and Pj
It is 'where we are' that
should make all the
difference, whether we believe
we belong there or not. 


-----Original Message-----
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rg] On Behalf Of Debby
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Cc: Debby Phillips
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guides at
NFB training centers

HI Raven, I actually agree
with you.  I think this is why
some
people believe that NFB is
anti-dog.  I personally think
that
part of travel instruction for
those with dogs should be
using
the dog rather than the cane.
I am all for good cane skills,
but
traveling with a dog is
different than traveling with
a cane.  I
believe that it is demeaning
for people who use dogs to
never be
allowed to use them for Center
activities, too.  But it is
doubtful that the Training
Centers will change.  Which is
too
bad.  I believe that other
things I learned at the
Colorado
Center were wonderful, and
practical and helped me a lot.
I just
wish that TSE could have sent
someone to help me with Lamar
when
I was there, and that the
Center would have allowed me
to do some
travel with him.  Perhaps he
would not be retired now.
Debby
and Nova

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